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Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 10:23:38 +1000
From: Don White <donwhite at ozemail.com.au>
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I agree with Jimmy .... just have a feeling that the wetaher might not 
bee that boring soon.... it's happened like this before.
Don W

Jimmy Deguara wrote:

> Andrew and Lindsay,
> 
> Don't despair as the probability is that when it does come it will come 
> in full force. I am actually quite excited that it is lagging as you may 
> find that July may hit us hard. Well we shall see. And of course if I am 
> proven wrong, then October late season is something to look forward to. 
> Weather has its way of balancing itself but we find it when don't know 
> which way.
> 
> Don't get me wrong. I am also disappointed with lack of action too but I 
> suppose over the years I have learned to pass the time so to speak. I 
> also advise not to look too far into models or at least get overexcited 
> over them when they look fantastic. This is why I like AVN as it only 
> goes 3 days out.
> 
> Anyway enough from me.
> 
> Jimmy Deguara
> 
> At 11:27 AM 29/06/01 +1000, you wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Just thought I'd take the opportunity to express my disappointment that
>> we are a third of the way through winter and so far the SE has had no
>> more than a third of a cold-snap!
>> 
>> Despite our speculations from a few weeks ago, the sub-tropical ridge
>> has gone back to being all over the place without us having had the
>> penetrating low (with a 'W'?) we'd hoped for.
>> 
>> As Lindsay P. has mentioned, the daytime temperatures are unseasonably
>> warm up here on the tablelands which is disappointing for people like us
>> who enjoy the hardness of (normal) winters here.
>> 
>> Andrew.
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Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 10:28:42 +1000
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sydney's ave max in June reached 20 degrees for only the 2nd time in 142 
years ! Only 1957, with 20.3 degree av max beat it.
What about Perth and Brisabane - pretty close to records I would assume 
but for the locals it will be cold and miserable in Briasbane later tonight.
Don W

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Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 11:04:04 +1000
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Hi everyone.
I have moved to Newcastle and have a new email addy.
tornado at bigpond.net.au
This is a test email to see if it subscribing to aus-wx has worked.
Some very nice congestus showers just off the coast here, nice hard
updraughts, glad the high that has dominated is breaking down a little!

Matthew Smith

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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at rubix.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Subject: Supercells, RFDs, overshooting tops, etc.
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Morning  all,

Leslie Lemon has reappeared on the USA wx-chase list & I thought a
number of you might be interested in the discussion that follows......it
is long.  I've included a couple of papers relevant to this discussion
at the bottom for further reading if anyone is interested.

..........................................................
All:
Here is installment 1.

I have been off this list for years but just recently returned.  I did
so when the discussion has centered on concepts near and dear to my
heart and mind.  As some of you may know I have written within the
formal (and more-so) informal literature about these concepts for many
years and have also written other comments outside the published
literature.  Here, allow me to ramble some concerning supercells, their
structure, mesocyclones and their structure (NOT a rotating updraft),
the RFD, overshoots, etc.  This is a very looooong post and you may not
want to read it!  I very well understand!  LOL  These are just one man's
opinions and concepts.  There have also been excellent comments by Sam
Barricklow, Lon Curtis, and others. I don't mean to diminish any of the
previously posted comments by these and others here.

The overshooting dome is the upper reaches of the updraft (and one
branch of the mesocyclone) where it has risen beyond the equilibrium
level (where updraft temperature and environmental temperature are
identical).  As the updraft continues to rise due to existing upward
momentum it cools adiabatically.  Thus, when seen on satellite these
overshooting tops are often much colder than the environment.  There
will be a point when the upward momentum (kinetic energy acquired from
realized CAPE) has been completely depleted.  At that point parcels are
forced outward by rising parcels from beneath and sink as they diverge.
With decreasing updraft strength the degree of overshoot declines.
Also, if the updraft width diminishes it mixes more with environmental
air and CAPE is lost, being replaced by evaporativly cooled air from the
environment.  This will also lead directly to a decline in updraft
strength.  In the fine comments by Sam Barricklow he explained how
mesocyclone occlusion leads to updraft decline.
Lemon and Doswell, 1979 (L&D '79) discussed this.  (If a mesocyclone
were a 'rotating updraft' then the "vortex valve" concept I wrote about
in the mid '70s would be important to updraft demise as the updraft spin
increased). Note also that with amplification of low level rotation
"vortex breakdown" also occurs.  This is the production of a central
downdraft along or near the axis of rotation and is often called an
"occlusion" downdraft.  This should not be mistaken for the RFD.  They
differ but can blend together.

Here is my second installment.

On the subject of "What is a supercell?"  (If this is too old and beyond
the list, please excuse it and simply delete).  It might be helpful to
step back a moment and look at where we have come from.

I wrote two tech memo years ago ('78 and 80') in order to give radar
operators/forecasters the reflectivity (Z) characteristics of a
distinctly different class of storms that when found within a moderate
to strongly sheared environment, were typically indicative of severe
storms.  L&D '79 added even more to the 'typical' life cycle of these
storms and the repeatable pattern of sever phenomena.  The purpose was
clear.  When storms exhibit these features (symptoms) then the
forecaster could and can anticipate to an extent, the life cycle,
severity, locations of severe phenomena, and how to warn on these
(ailments) storms.  I used the commonly accepted classification of the
time, which was based on Browning's (and many others) three-dimensional
Z structure.  These structural characteristics were shown by Browning to
transcend international and geopolitical boundaries of all kinds within
the mid-latitudes of the globe.  Further, they were shown (within
certain variability's) to be independent of the weather radar employed
and to essentially be indicative of a storm with a persistent and
abnormally intense updraft.  Browning noted and emphasized
this 'trinity' of three closely related radar characteristics.  They
were the "sloping echo overhang" beneath which was found the (later
named) Weak Echo Region (WER), the "vault" (later named) the Bounded
Weak Echo Region (BWER), and the "wall"/hook echo.  (Within the two tech
memos I also emphasized the position of the echo top and not its height
as well as certain Z values as distinguishing characteristics.) Browning
named this storm class "Severe Right" or severe and (to a greater
extent) right moving.  (A bit of trivia for those who are curious about
the first use of the term "supercell".  The study was published in 1962
in the "Meteorological Magazine", titled "Cellular Structure of
Convective Storms". On page 349 of that article was the first time the
term "supercell" was used).

Even with the advent of the Doppler weather radar these Z features are
still commonly used as severe thunderstorm warning criteria.   These Z
features are still used because very often they precede the development
of the first radar detectable mid-level mesocyclone.  As some of you
know, it was for this reason that I resisted the supercell
classification scheme that replaced these radar Z characteristics with
the mesocyclone as the distinguishing feature of the supercell.  Perhaps
this is best, however, because as stated in the tech memos, the WER is
often found with severe multicellular storms as well but is more
temporal and episodic (as is the severe weather produced) with these
storms.  Also included was the fact that the storm flank where these
features are found is variable but independent of storm classification.
This was especially illustrated in the appendices of the tech memos.
Interestingly and as anticipated these same features are used in the
southern hemisphere but simply "flipped over".  Those storms are also
typically *left* deviating severe storms.   See:

http://www.weathersa.co.za/wfr/fcastaids/radar/lemon.htm

Forecasters, I believe, are still taught to watch for this storm type
and Z structure for some of the above reasons but also because these
storms can produce giant hail (> 2 inches), especially violent surface
winds, and tornadoes in a disproportionate manner.  Obviously they are
now taught the even greater variability in tornadic storms and in
mesocyclonic storms. Velocity data interpretation is emphasized, as are
mesocyclone, tornadocyclone, and TVS identification.  But obviously
there are also a whole host of other meteorological features and
characteristics identified using velocity data.

All this is given to help illustrate what is taught and why as well as
the other distinguishing features of most supercells.  But I do not
dispute the dynamics of these storms and the dynamic differences as
emphasized by Chuck Doswell and others.

Part 3

All:

Relative to the RFD, I very much believe that we are talking about deep
decent on the backside of, at least in some, if not most, supercells.
For starters, L&D, '79 hypothesized a deep RFD origin for several
reasons.  In fact, I recall when I gave the shortened version in '78 (I
believe) at an SLS or radar conference, several folks responded
favorably.  One of those alluded to the WV dark-spot appearing right up
to the backside of some supercell CBs.

What is the mesocyclone?  Is it a "rotating updraft"?  Lon Curtis made
reference to a little of this and it may have been discussed extensively
here prior to my renewed subscription.  But I contend that the
mesocyclone is an analog to the extra-tropical cyclone (ETC) on the
polar front having three distinct branches.  That is one branch is the
updraft rising from air obtained from the warm sector and another branch
of mid- to upper-level potentially cold air descending in a rainy
downdraft.  And the third branch, descending in the "clear slot" is
extremely important.  Much of this concept is contained in my paper "On
the mesocyclone 'dry intrusion' and tornadogenesis" from the 19th SLS
conference in Minneapolis (1998).  This is the paper where I point out
that if you chose to look at the mesocyclone through the ETC "conveyer
belt" analog, it all fits together very nicely. Too nicely?  Only time
will tell.  The RFD has the same form and affect that the 'dry
intrusion' on the synoptic scale does.  That is, on the synoptic scale,
as the dry intrusion (often seen as a WV dark-spot) descends and begins
to wrap around the 'cloud head' (comma head as seen on in satellite
photos) and overtakes the baroclinc zone, rapid deepening and
cyclogenesis occurs.  The cloud head itself is made up of parcels from
all three airstreams just as the supercell CB is.  Obviously, the
disclaimer about the differences of non-hydrostatics, the
three-dimensionality, etc., of the mesocyclone still applies.  In L&D we
pointed out the radar reflectivity "weak echo hole" at 9 km altitude in
one tornadic storm where it appears that the RFD scavenged and
evaporated precip during its decent from above and just to the rear of
the hook echo.  Since that time I have seen several similar reflectivity
signatures.  Further I advocate that the mesocyclone is not, in most
cases, a rotating updraft.  Rather it is composed or a cyclonically
twisting updraft (UD) and a cyclonically twisting downdraft (DD).  At
least in some storms I have what I believe is incontrovertible evidence
for this when we combine reflectivity, velocity, and spectrum width
data.  The Lahoma, OK storm of 1994 was one of these.  In fact, I can
demonstrate from these data that the RFD extends almost vertically
downward from about 50,000 ft or ~ 13 km!!  In at least some supercells
(I believe HPs and Classics, especially) that is the case.  This places
the RFD outside the CB cloud and all along the rear flank.  The rainy
downdraft occurs within much of the precipitation cascade.  I discussed
this idea to a fare extent with Bob Maddox and Keith Browning during the
period of developing the conveyer belt analog and concept.  We very much
need storm photography, videos, and new data sets such as soundings,
aircraft, or some other data sources from the west of supercells hat
would tend to better delineate occurrences there.  (I recognize the
problems with soundings being suppressed and forced out of the RFD.)

In the above 'dry intrusion' paper I suggest that the high PV or the RFD
might originate from the upper troposphere or lower stratosphere just as
with the ETC.  I also discussed the idea that the evaporative cooling
during decent within the RFD created high PV owing to thermal
stratification.  But the turbulence within the RFD would tend to disrupt
this mechanism.  Then there was even the possibility of high SRH
entering the RFD from aloft.  But all this must be considered within the
context of a region of decent where the air possessing four degrees of
freedom in its motion, passes through, downward, and out of the RFD all
along its vertical extent.

Then there is the relatively high CAPE in the tornadic RFDs that we must
account for.  Much has been made about the thermal characteristics of
the RFD and correctly so after Paul Markowski's dissertation and ongoing
work. However, that is just one of the characteristics (as above) and
may be only one of two or three that contribute to tornadogenesis.  I
feel that the origin of the RFD (which may well vary with the storm and
the environment) may be extremely important.  Perhaps, due to storm
relative inflow into the RFD or for other, as yet unknown reasons, it
may be associated with high PV in some cases and in others it may not
be.

Thus, I don't feel we should over emphasize thermal RFD characteristics
alone but should also study the origin of the RFD (level, sounding
characteristics, etc.) and its other characteristics as well.
Obviously, thermal characteristics are just one more clue to the RFD
puzzle.

Up to this point I have said nothing about the important supercell
collapse stage accompanied by diminishing hail, echo top subsidence,
BWER and WER disappearance, weakening radar reflectivities, and
mesocyclone occlusion. This, of course, is when microburst and downburst
frequency increases, and tornadogenesis takes place.  I have alluded to
it above but I will not add
to this already extremely long multipart post.  I have said much about
this in several publications such as L&D '79.

For those of you who have read all three parts (and are still awake!) I
have one thing to say.   Get A Life!!!  LOL  Now I will go back into
hibernation.


Leslie R. Lemon
Basic Commerce and Industries, Inc.
Radar, Severe Storms, & Research Meteorologist
Tel: 816-373-3533, Cell: 816-213-3237
E-Mail: lrlemon at compuserve.com

...............................................................

See also:
Severe Thunderstorm Evolution and Mesocyclone Structure as Related to
Tornadogenesis
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/107lemon1.htm

On the Mesocyclone "Dry Intrusion" and Tornadogenesis
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/lemon7.htm

--------------------------------
Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com

Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com

ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 12:10:59 +0930
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Hi all

Trying to plug the SDS gap a little.  Finally got up some info re the July
1969 cold outbreak in the Mid north of SA.  The 'Advertiser' survivied
because I was the week of the first Moon landing and my parents kept the
papers!

As usual, any stories or memories....

http://www.chariot.net.au/~paisley2/SnowWX.html

Phil



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From: "Lindsay Pearce" <violin at lisp.com.au>
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Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 16:23:11 +1000
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Hi Don, Jimmy and all,

Blackheath: 9.5C max today, that makes two single figure days in a row for
my place, great. 9.5mm for June. See my page for full details of  June's
weather.

Hmmm, I didn't even get Jimmy's email, thank goodness Don had it at the
bottom of his email. It's not a problem with world.std, its some problems my
isp's end. :(

Yes, good points there Jimmy. I'm still very much a learner and it is true
that the models certainly have their limitations. I get mildly excited when
say, 2 or 3 models agree 4 days out but more so when there is similarities
among them, say, 72 hours out. Sometimes with the onset of the net etc, I
think we can rely too much on models. Nature has its way of dealing with
that, as you perhaps implied, Jimmy. Perhaps it will all tip the other way
soon. It usually does. I have this feeling too that maybe later in July and
into August, we could see some action here, and to the west.

Lindsay

From: "Don White" <donwhite at ozemail.com.au>
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> I agree with Jimmy .... just have a feeling that the wetaher might not
> bee that boring soon.... it's happened like this before.
> Don W
>
> Jimmy Deguara wrote:
>
> > Andrew and Lindsay,
> >
> > Don't despair as the probability is that when it does come it will come
> > in full force. I am actually quite excited that it is lagging as you may
> > find that July may hit us hard. Well we shall see. And of course if I am
> > proven wrong, then October late season is something to look forward to.
> > Weather has its way of balancing itself but we find it when don't know
> > which way.
> >
> > Don't get me wrong. I am also disappointed with lack of action too but I
> > suppose over the years I have learned to pass the time so to speak. I
> > also advise not to look too far into models or at least get overexcited
> > over them when they look fantastic. This is why I like AVN as it only
> > goes 3 days out.
> >
> > Anyway enough from me.
> >
> > Jimmy Deguara
> >
> > At 11:27 AM 29/06/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >


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South Africa has nice radar, real dbZ's and all.  Pitty ours isn't as
good.

http://metsys.weathersa.co.za/IR.html
http://metsys.weathersa.co.za/ECAPE.html
http://metsys.weathersa.co.za/EL.html
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Not mine nor Jimmy's!!.

Dave Lewison chased the same day that we scored the large wedge see near 
Amarillo>>

http://www.wxchase.com/Docs/290501.html   [my report]

At one stage Jimmy and I were arguing on which storm to chase; the one we 
eventually did and the one I originally wanted to >>

http://www.wxchase.com/chasepics/2001/290502.jpg

Well if anyone is interested, take a look at Dave L's pics to see just what 
was happening under that updraft tower. WOW!!!  >>

http://www.nyshrm.org/dave/chase2001/may29.html

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From: "Ben Quinn" <benquinn at optushome.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Awesome 1km res sat pic !!!
Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:15:41 +1000
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Hi all

Check out this awesome 1km res satellite picture of SW WA taken around 4pm
this afternoon

http://www.bsch.au.com/temp/010701_swwa.jpg

It's big - around 600k - but it's worth the wait!

It was downloaded from the NOAA Satellite Active Archive
(http://www.saa.noaa.gov).  If anyone else wants to download these
themselves sing out and i'll send you some info.  The files are quite large
(normally between 50 and 100mb) so you probably need cable


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Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 20:13:06 +1000
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few flashes of lightning just off the coast of Newcastle this evening...

Its been a while... love walking out and seeing an unexpected flash !

Anyway back to the state of origin.

Matt Smith

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Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 21:11:29 +1000
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I don't understand. What is dbZ's?
Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
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> South Africa has nice radar, real dbZ's and all.  Pitty ours isn't as
> good.
>
> http://metsys.weathersa.co.za/IR.html
> http://metsys.weathersa.co.za/ECAPE.html
> http://metsys.weathersa.co.za/EL.html
> http://metsys.weathersa.co.za/PE.html
> http://metsys.weathersa.co.za/BL.html
> http://metsys.weathersa.co.za/mrl5.html
> http://metsys.weathersa.co.za/PB.html
> http://metsys.weathersa.co.za/general_radar.htm
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From: "Lindsay Pearce" <violin at lisp.com.au>
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Sorry to joke about it Matt but that's a great line. I cant help myself  :)

> Its been a while... love walking out and seeing an unexpected flash !

Lindsay Pearce
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> few flashes of lightning just off the coast of Newcastle this evening...
>
> Its been a while... love walking out and seeing an unexpected flash !
>
> Anyway back to the state of origin.
>
> Matt Smith
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<x-flowed>
Hi David and all,

Those pics of the LP structure were awesome. Now the decision was a 
difficult one so which one do you choose? What if the storm we chased 
didn't produce.........

Well our plan if this was the case was to chase the LP. I guess you can 
then watch what others have chased I suppose and they are excellent pics.

Jimmy Deguara

At 06:34 PM 1/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Not mine nor Jimmy's!!.
>
>Dave Lewison chased the same day that we scored the large wedge see near 
>Amarillo>>
>
>http://www.wxchase.com/Docs/290501.html   [my report]
>
>At one stage Jimmy and I were arguing on which storm to chase; the one we 
>eventually did and the one I originally wanted to >>
>
>http://www.wxchase.com/chasepics/2001/290502.jpg
>
>Well if anyone is interested, take a look at Dave L's pics to see just 
>what was happening under that updraft tower. WOW!!!  >>
>
>http://www.nyshrm.org/dave/chase2001/may29.html
>
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<x-flowed>
Hi me again,

It seems that storm began as an LP and then followed a trend into a HP in 
those pics.

At 06:34 PM 1/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Not mine nor Jimmy's!!.
>
>Dave Lewison chased the same day that we scored the large wedge see near 
>Amarillo>>
>
>http://www.wxchase.com/Docs/290501.html   [my report]
>
>At one stage Jimmy and I were arguing on which storm to chase; the one we 
>eventually did and the one I originally wanted to >>
>
>http://www.wxchase.com/chasepics/2001/290502.jpg
>
>Well if anyone is interested, take a look at Dave L's pics to see just 
>what was happening under that updraft tower. WOW!!!  >>
>
>http://www.nyshrm.org/dave/chase2001/may29.html
>
>regards,   David
>
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Hi Don,

Cold and miserable it may be, but we aren't really noticing it up here,
you know with all the jumping up and down celebrating keeping us warm....
:-))))))))

Who needs a supercell when you've got an ALF????

Queensland, you bloody beauty! (Enough football, back to the wx...)

Cheers,

Jonty.


On Sun, 1 Jul 2001, Don White wrote:

> sydney's ave max in June reached 20 degrees for only the 2nd time in 142 
> years ! Only 1957, with 20.3 degree av max beat it.
> What about Perth and Brisabane - pretty close to records I would assume 
> but for the locals it will be cold and miserable in Briasbane later tonight.
> Don W
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Hi particularly those in Victoria,

I will be travelling to Melbourne during the NSW school holidays in July 
only for a few days as a gesture to take relatives there. I am not sure of 
the dates as yet but I think it will be at the end of the first week and 
over the weekend.

I suppose it would be great to catch up with some of the Victorians. I 
suppose I will leave it at that.

Jimmy Deguara

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>
> > Its been a while... love walking out and seeing an unexpected flash !

perhaps that what the blues needed tonight. What a disgrace.

Anyway, just awoken by some quite bright flashes of lightning off the 
northern beaches of Sydney. Now 12:30 am with thunder.
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From: "Lindsay Pearce" <violin at lisp.com.au>
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Hi all,

It is looking interesting for later in the week. From a model point of view
NoGaps, GASP, Unisys AVN, and even MRF are showing sub 540 air by Friday
00z. It's interesting to note that at this stage, the timing of it in these
models is quite similar.

Lets wait and see but at least it is something to keep an eye on. I hope I
haven't repeated anything from other posts here, I don't think i have been
receiving all my mail.


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Radar, and radar reflectivity etc, is a subject all on it's own. 
Start with the tutorial at:
http://www.skywarn.ampr.org/chapter1.htm

PC

Bussie wrote:
> 
> I don't understand. What is dbZ's?
> Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
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> 
> > South Africa has nice radar, real dbZ's and all.  Pitty ours isn't as
> > good.
> >
> > http://metsys.weathersa.co.za/IR.html
> > http://metsys.weathersa.co.za/ECAPE.html
> > http://metsys.weathersa.co.za/EL.html
> > http://metsys.weathersa.co.za/PE.html
> > http://metsys.weathersa.co.za/BL.html
> > http://metsys.weathersa.co.za/mrl5.html
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From: David Jones <D.Jones at bom.gov.au>
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Andrew, Lindsay and others.... wondering where winter has gone, take a
lookie at the latest GASP forecast, with significant cyclogenesis forecasted
in the vicinity of Victoria later in the week. On the bases of this
scenario, we "should" see some significant rain and snow (though mostly
above ~1000 metres at this stage). The UK, US, and Japanese prog are all
heading in similar directions (am yet to see the new ECMWF for today).

BTW those of us whinging in SE Australia about the endless sunshine should
bare some thought for those in SW WA (see)
http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/climate/rainmaps.cgi?page=map&variable=deciles
&period=month&area=aus
Across SW WA the June rainfall was almost everywhere the lowest on record.
Any westerners got comments about how the dry is effecting things? Rainfall
for Perth so far for year is running only ~50% of normal, which must be
having an impact.

The other notable area in June was NE Queensland which was exceptionally
warm (around +3C anomalies for both maximum and minimum temperatures), with
the state average maximum +2.13C the highest on record (since 1950).
More generally across the country, it has been a mildish start to winter but
not unusually so. Across Australia June had a average maximum temperature
+1.0C above the 1961-30 average (8th warmest since 1950), while the mean
minimum was +0.31C above average (pretty much middle of "pack"). 

Cheers,

David.
                                                              
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>From: Peter Creswick <ventus45 at ihug.com.au>
>Subject: aus-wx: Radar
>
>South Africa has nice radar, real dbZ's and all.  Pitty ours isn't as
>good.

err? In what way are these better than the excellent products avaliable
locally from the BOM network (eg www.bom.gov.au , www.weatherzone.com.au
etc.? ) Besides, when your country is about the size of Victoria, and double
the population of Australia monitoring is just a tad easier. 

Cheers,

David
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Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 10:15:39 +0800
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Well, David, you Aussies got it dry because we copped the lot right here. 
The HKO staff are apparently having a long weekend because the final 
record for June will not be available until after the 4th July but here 
is an excerpt from the HKO June Summary up to 28th June:
========================
 The weather of June 2001 was marked by persistent heavy rain and squally 
thunderstorms under the repeated influence of active troughs of low 
pressure near the south China coast. The monthly rainfall up to 28 June 
amounted to 1050.4 millimetres, about three times the monthly normal 
figure of 376.0 millimetres. This is a new record for June, previous 
record being 962.9 millimetres in June 1966.
=========================
As we have had Typhoon Durian with all of its rainbands since then, I 
expect the final total for the month will be well over 1.1 metres.
Still the rainbands of Durian are crossing us every few hours even though 
its centre is now nearly 500 Km away in inland GuangXi Province and it is 
supposed to be dissipating.
Now we have Tropical Storm Utor spinning up in the Philippine Sea which 
will probably help ensure a damp July as well.
So if any of you Aussies want to experience a bit more moisture than you 
have down there right now, just slip into your nearest travel agent and 
book a trip to dank, damp, dripping, dreary, drizzly Hong Kong!

Phil
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From: David Jones <D.Jones at bom.gov.au>
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Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:56:47 +1000
Subject: aus-wx: WX so far this winter.

> Andrew, Lindsay and others.... wondering where winter has gone, take a
> lookie at the latest GASP forecast, with significant cyclogenesis
> forecasted
> in the vicinity of Victoria later in the week. On the bases of this
> scenario, we "should" see some significant rain and snow (though mostly
> above ~1000 metres at this stage). The UK, US, and Japanese prog are
> all
> heading in similar directions (am yet to see the new ECMWF for today).
> 
> BTW those of us whinging in SE Australia about the endless sunshine
> should
> bare some thought for those in SW WA (see)
> http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/climate/rainmaps.cgi?page=map&variable=de
> ciles
> &period=month&area=aus
> Across SW WA the June rainfall was almost everywhere the lowest on
> record.
> Any westerners got comments about how the dry is effecting things?
> Rainfall
> for Perth so far for year is running only ~50% of normal, which must be
> having an impact.
> 
> The other notable area in June was NE Queensland which was
> exceptionally
> warm (around +3C anomalies for both maximum and minimum temperatures),
> with
> the state average maximum +2.13C the highest on record (since 1950).
> More generally across the country, it has been a mildish start to
> winter but
> not unusually so. Across Australia June had a average maximum
> temperature
> +1.0C above the 1961-30 average (8th warmest since 1950), while the
> mean
> minimum was +0.31C above average (pretty much middle of "pack"). 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> David.
>                                                               
> Dr David Jones                                               
>                                                             
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> National Climate Centre                                    
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> GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne   Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4861 
> Victoria 3001, Australia   Ph (home): (+61 3) 9849 1646  
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No argument with the geographic or demographic factors as such, but
they are not relevant either.  The comment concerned the output from
existing radar.  It's a question of excessively "dumbing down" the
information available from the radar that cost a heap of our hard
earned tax dollars.  Rain rate displays are OK as far as they go, but
they are the result of heavily filtered and processed data, you could
say, excessively so.  As David would well know, rain rate alone is not
the issue.  Not all storms precipitate, and besides, storm structure,
winds etc are as big, if not a bigger issue, than rain anyway.  Anyone
who knows how radar works can glean a lot from the raw dbZ output.

PC  


David Jones wrote:
> 
> >From: Peter Creswick <ventus45 at ihug.com.au>
> >Subject: aus-wx: Radar
> >
> >South Africa has nice radar, real dbZ's and all.  Pitty ours isn't as
> >good.
> 
> err? In what way are these better than the excellent products avaliable
> locally from the BOM network (eg www.bom.gov.au , www.weatherzone.com.au
> etc.? ) Besides, when your country is about the size of Victoria, and double
> the population of Australia monitoring is just a tad easier.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> David
> (BTW all my own thoughts!)
> 
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From: "Laurier Williams" <lwilliams at williams.edu.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Cold, wet outbreak for Thurs/Fri?
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:06:00 +1000
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The EC now agrees with GASP and MRF in predicting a moderately cold outbreak
over Vic and NSW for late Thursday or Friday. The circumstances, however,
are unusual, and there's a chance of snow along the eastern parts of the
Great Divide in NSW, and possibly widespread in Victoria.

All three models are consistent in predicting a low to form south of New
Caledonia and east of Brisbane during Wednesday, then to move steadily SW to
eastern Bass Strait by late Friday before shifting away to the E or SE.
Meantime, a high in the Bight ridging SE will drag colder air up from around
50S over the southeast. Differences in treatment start to appear here.

EC has a substantial cold pool with central thickness of 534 over about
Young at 12z Thursday, then washes out to a broad upper trough lying from
Adelaide to Brisbane around 542 by 12z Friday. EC drops the surface low to
~~990hPa just east of Gabo Island 12z Friday, then moves it slowly east and
deepening on Sat keeping winds mostly SW over Vic and NSW.

GASP develops 2 low centres by Thursday night, one south of Lord Howe
Island, and another south of Adelaide, which have merged into a 994 low in
eastern Bass Strait by Friday night. Consequently, the colder air tracks
farther west and north, with a central thickness of 532 over Adelaide on
Thursday night and 531 over the western Northern Tablelands of NSW by Friday
night. Winds over Vic and NSW are mostly westerly, but GASP has 10 to 40mm
of precip over eastern Vic and the NSW Southern Tablelands for the 48 hours
to Sat night, and 5 to 15 up into the Central Tablelands. Snow hounds will
be cheering on the local model!

MRF keeps the low farther east and shallower, but still has Victoria and
much of southern and central NSW sub-540 thickness by Friday morning. Precip
totals are pretty light, however, in a SW flow. NOGAPS is similar, but
doesn't develop a low centre; rather has a deep trough extending down the
NSW coast at this time, and, like MRF, little precip.

Significantly, none of the models has any SW or S jet development during the
period, so it won't be a true polar outbreak as air will mostly be arriving
from around 50S. However, the potential for interaction between the ECL and
colder air at last gives us something interesting to watch.

Laurier Williams
Australian Weather News
http://www.australianweathernews.com



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Subject: Re: aus-wx: radar?
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Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 13:39:22 +1000 (EST)
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Uhh, interesting and potentially volatile discussion
developing here.  Let me throw in some info that connects the 
BOM rain rate (RR) to the reflectivity (dBZ). I did these calculations as I have
had difficulties in interpreting the rain rates, similar to Peter.

RR:   <0.3   0.3-2      2-10       10-20      20-40      40-100     >100
dBZ:  <14.6  14.6-27.8  27.8-39.0  39.0-43.8  43.8-48.6  48.6-55.0  >55.0
      black  dkblue     lgtblue    yellow     green      pink       red

This table assumes the underlying relationship

   Z = 200*RR^1.6

where Z is the radar reflectivity factor, a function of the reflector
particle diameter (to the _sixth_ power) and the particle density
integrated over a radar sampling volume.
The more common "reflectivity" is the scaled reflectivity factor

   dBZ = 10 * log(Z)

(log to the base of 10).  

It's interesting to note that the common BOM radar display shows
no returns below 14.6 dBZ precluding the detection of clear air boundaries
(important for convective initiation) and (I am guessing) some light rain areas.
   

> No argument with the geographic or demographic factors as such, but
> they are not relevant either.  The comment concerned the output from
> existing radar.  It's a question of excessively "dumbing down" the
> information available from the radar that cost a heap of our hard
> earned tax dollars.  
> Rain rate displays are OK as far as they go, but
> they are the result of heavily filtered and processed data, you could
> say, excessively so.  

Might be an issue of what is most suitable for "the public" [sic]. Reflectivities
are "truer" information,  while "rain rates" are more commonly understood.
I am not sure how exactly the raw power returns are processed before they
end up as rain rates on the web.  But the conversion from dBZ to RR seems
to be a simple step by itself.

> As David would well know, rain rate alone is not
> the issue.  Not all storms precipitate, and besides, storm structure,
> winds etc are as big, if not a bigger issue, than rain anyway.  Anyone
> who knows how radar works can glean a lot from the raw dbZ output.

Radars need reflectors to see - storm structures and winds are invisible 
to a radar without dielectric hydrometeors (unfortunately!).
Storm structure is best observed with a camcorder from under the updraught base :)

> David Jones wrote:
> > 
> > >From: Peter Creswick <ventus45 at ihug.com.au>
> > >Subject: aus-wx: Radar
> > >
> > >South Africa has nice radar, real dbZ's and all.  Pitty ours isn't as
> > >good.
> > 
> > err? In what way are these better than the excellent products avaliable
> > locally from the BOM network (eg www.bom.gov.au , www.weatherzone.com.au
> > etc.? ) Besides, when your country is about the size of Victoria, and double
> > the population of Australia monitoring is just a tad easier.

It's the old song. The preferred 10 cm Doppler radar coverage of all of Australia
is too expensive to be reality given far less than 20 million tax payers and 
given that radar acquisition is not the nation's top priority in Canberra (or Melbourne).
Instead we have (primarily) a coastal fringe of 5 cm coverage.  That's not too bad,
given the circumstances.


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       Very nice to see thunderstorms forecast for SE NSW for Friday already 
and it's only Monday. I have never seen storms forecast 3 or 4 days out in 
July for any region in NSW, must be a vigorous system.
  Plus seeing the isolated tstorms developing just off the Sydney coast from 
Manly today was a sight for sore eyes.
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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Reduction in GMS satpix from 4 July
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Some bad news for southern ocean watchers -- especially those looking for
cold outbreaks surging up from the south. From this Wednesday, GMS-5 will be
reducing its imagery availability to cover only as far south as 49 degrees S
(~700km south of Hobart), while the number of transmissions daily will be
nearly halved, from 28 to 16 per day. This situation is because GMS-5 is now
operating beyond its design life, with its expected replacement (MTSAT-1)
lost in a launch failure late in 1999. The replacement, MTSAT-1R, is
expected early in 2003. Reducing the number and extent of scans is a
precaution to extend GMS-5's usable life.

The main impact will be loss of Southern Ocean satellite data south of
Australia. The IndoEx satellite (when working) covers westwards from the
longitude of the WA/SA border, and GOES West covers from the western Tasman
eastwards. The polar-orbiting satellite data from the CSIRO
(http://www.marine.csiro.au/~lband/weather/) and DOLA
(http://www.rss.dola.wa.gov.au/newsite/noaaql/NOAAql.html) will probably be
the best substitute -- anyone know of better?

Laurier

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Sure was a pretty good day Rune...I've been watching little pulses going up
and down around Sydney all day.

Fingers crossed for later in the week eh?

Mal Ninnes

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> 
>        Very nice to see thunderstorms forecast for SE NSW for Friday
> already 
> and it's only Monday. I have never seen storms forecast 3 or 4 days out in
> 
> July for any region in NSW, must be a vigorous system.
>   Plus seeing the isolated tstorms developing just off the Sydney coast
> from 
> Manly today was a sight for sore eyes.
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<x-flowed>
Hi Matt,

I suppose I saw the build up during the afternoon and also saw the 
"stratocumulus" castellanus in the morning. There definitely was colder air 
coming through evident from the altostratus patches and some virga..

I was expecting lightning and Geoff confirmed it.

Jimmy Deguara

At 08:13 PM 1/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
>few flashes of lightning just off the coast of Newcastle this evening...
>
>Its been a while... love walking out and seeing an unexpected flash !
>
>Anyway back to the state of origin.
>
>Matt Smith
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At 01:39 PM 2/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Storm structure is best observed with a camcorder from under the updraught 
>base :)


I like that Harold. You have the Storm Chaser instinct in you or you have 
developed it by talking to too many chasers in the US and here...:)

Great stuff...

Jimmy Deguara


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At 04:24 PM 2/07/2001 +1000, Laurier Williams wrote:
>Some bad news for southern ocean watchers -- especially those looking for
>cold outbreaks surging up from the south. From this Wednesday, GMS-5 will be
>reducing its imagery availability to cover only as far south as 49 degrees S
>(~700km south of Hobart), while the number of transmissions daily will be
>nearly halved, from 28 to 16 per day. This situation is because GMS-5 is now
>operating beyond its design life, with its expected replacement (MTSAT-1)
>lost in a launch failure late in 1999. The replacement, MTSAT-1R, is
>expected early in 2003. Reducing the number and extent of scans is a
>precaution to extend GMS-5's usable life.

For those interested, here is some background that has been circulated 
internally within the BOM. It fleshes out Laurier's email just a tad. It 
sounds frightening.

Background

2.      Japan's Geostationary Meteorological Satellite (GMS) program is a key
part of the Global Observing System of the World Meteorological
Organization.  For over two decades  GMS cloud images have been of vital
importance to the operations of national meteorological services
especially in the Asia-Pacific region, including the Bureau.  The
current satellite in the series, GMS-5, was due to be replaced by the
Multi-functional Transport Satellite (MTSAT) in late 1999 but
unfortunately MTSAT was lost due to a launch vehicle failure.  Since
that time the Japan Meteorological Agency (JMA) has been taking steps to
ensure GMS-5 observations continue up to the launch of  MTSAT-1R in
early 2003.

3.      However GMS-5 is now well beyond its design life.  While most
subsystems are in excellent condition such as the Data Collection
Platform facility which relays signals from
Automatic Weather Stations in the Asia-Pacific region, JMA has now
advised that difficulties are continuing with lubrication buildup in the
southernmost portion of GMS-5's scanning mirror mechanism which is used
to generate full disk cloud images of the earth.

Changes in imagery transmissions

4.      In an attempt to extend GMS-5 operations, JMA will therefore reduce
the extent of the mirror's north/south scan so that each image will only
extend as far south as latitude 49 degrees south.  As a further
preservation strategy the number of GMS-5 images per day over the
southern hemisphere will be reduced from 28 to 16 representing a drop
from current hourly imagery to around 2-hourly.  The observations
(images) which will be available from GMS-5 are as follows:

· full disk images: 16 times per day at 0000, 0300, 0500, 0530, 0600,
0900, 1100, 1130, 1200, 1500, 1700, 1730, 1800, 2100, 2300, 2330 UTC.
The southern end of every image will be 49 degrees south latitude;

· northern hemisphere images: 12 times per day at 0100, 0200, 0400,
0700, 0800, 1000, 1300, 1400, 1600, 1900, 2000, 2200 UTC.

Hence the southern hemisphere imagery effectively comprises 3-hourly
imagery plus an additional 8 images clustered around the four times per
day (00, 06, 12, 18 UTC) when atmospheric winds are derived by tracking
cloud features on sets of three successive images.

5.      These changes are scheduled to occur at 0100 UTC (e.g. 1100 EST) on
Wednesday 4 July 2001.

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From: "Simon Clarke" <nomis66 at bigpond.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: Mega-size Tropical Storm (N.Hemisphere)
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 17:50:27 +1000
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all TC watchers (Aussie and world 
wide)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Have you ever seen a circulation as big at Tropical 
Storm Utor before. Its cloud structure is bigger than the entire state of QLD 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Seemed to develop from what,&nbsp;in Australia we 
would initially call a monsoon low. It will be worth a watch to see how quickly 
a dense central structure develops and how powerful the system may become. 
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From: "Lindsay Pearce" <violin at lisp.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: WX so far this winter.
Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 18:42:02 +1000
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Hi all,

Yeah, good point David. Its easy to get involved with your own neck of the
woods and loose track of weather in other spots around the country. Hope the
south western aussies get some badly needed rain soon. Has anyone got any
pics of the situation? It'd be interesting to see how its all fairing. Many
web cams at all in WA?

Thanks Laurier for that nice appraisal of the potential cold weather for the
south east, too. I've got the camera loaded and ready. My site is thirsty
for some new pics. I have some from the 14/15th of June, of Oberon snow, yet
to be processed.

Lindsay Pearce
Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
Email: violin at lisp.com.au
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From: "David Jones" <D.Jones at bom.gov.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: WX so far this winter.


> Andrew, Lindsay and others.... wondering where winter has gone, take a
> lookie at the latest GASP forecast, with significant cyclogenesis
forecasted
> in the vicinity of Victoria later in the week. On the bases of this
> scenario, we "should" see some significant rain and snow (though mostly
> above ~1000 metres at this stage). The UK, US, and Japanese prog are all
> heading in similar directions (am yet to see the new ECMWF for today).
>
> BTW those of us whinging in SE Australia about the endless sunshine should
> bare some thought for those in SW WA (see)
>
http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/climate/rainmaps.cgi?page=map&variable=deciles
> &period=month&area=aus
> Across SW WA the June rainfall was almost everywhere the lowest on record.
> Any westerners got comments about how the dry is effecting things?
Rainfall
> for Perth so far for year is running only ~50% of normal, which must be
> having an impact.
>
> The other notable area in June was NE Queensland which was exceptionally
> warm (around +3C anomalies for both maximum and minimum temperatures),
with
> the state average maximum +2.13C the highest on record (since 1950).
> More generally across the country, it has been a mildish start to winter
but
> not unusually so. Across Australia June had a average maximum temperature
> +1.0C above the 1961-30 average (8th warmest since 1950), while the mean
> minimum was +0.31C above average (pretty much middle of "pack").
>
> Cheers,
>
> David.
>
> Dr David Jones
>
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A good fall of small pellet hail & heavy rain crossed over the Katoomba
area around 7:15pm tonight. It's a shame it didn't last as my garden is
nothing but dust from the serious lack of rain, but here's hoping for
rain or better yet, snow at the end of the week!

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Hey all

Thanks to info from Jane, I managed to go on a little chase out Ballarat
way yesterday.  Here's what I saw:

http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_07_01/today.html
(yes, I saw a webpage :)

There was some cumulus congestus around which started to beef up a bit
more around sunset.  Managed to drive through some small hail as well.  
In all it's not really that spectacular, but better than nothing, and it
enabled me to test out my camcorder.  The uploaded images are perhaps a
bit too big as you can see the pixels, but I'll improve that next time
'round. 

I've also put Melbourne's local radar for yesterday up on the page.

I'll be interested to see any snaps Jane took.


Cheers

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Clayton, Vic 3800
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Hi all,
Does any one those living in the Greater Western parts of Sydney got any 
comments on anything tonight. I note that Penrith AWS had 30 mm between 
8 and 10 pm and 6 mm at Richmond - Radar didn't look that heavy. What 
was it?

Don W

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Hi All.

>    Hi all TC watchers (Aussie and world  wide)   Have you ever seen a
>circulation as big at Tropical  Storm Utor before. Its cloud structure is
>bigger than the entire state of QLD  and Northern Territory combined !   
>Seemed to develop from what, in Australia we  would initially call a
>monsoon low. It will be worth a watch to see how quickly  a dense central
>structure develops and how powerful the system may become.       Regards
>Simon      

To see just how BIG the circulation is in context, have a look at the GMS5
VIS-IR-WV composite full disk image at
http://users.ace-net.com.au/~carls/current.htm before 4pm AEST on the 4th
(I will be updating it again sometime after 4pm, all going to plan).  Click
on the image if you want to see the full resolution version.

It looks like it will become a major cyclone over the next couple of days.

Regards,
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"mini-chase"??????
all 414kms of it.... (thank goodness petrol was <80c a litre)

I'll upload my pics when I manage to get them off the digital cam.  I
ended up further south than Robert while hunting an embedded Cb (nothing
like winter for getting in some practice) - found it & got melted hail
in the process, a 10-20 & a temperature of 9.2C,  so I was quite
pleased.  Found a couple of good lookouts & SCD met 10 calves - I'm not
quite sure who was the most bemused... Cadence or the calves......

Not much of a chase report but there'll be some nice pics (structure &
sunsets) whe I manage to retrieve them

Jane
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>
> Hey all
>
> Thanks to info from Jane, I managed to go on a little chase out
Ballarat
> way yesterday.  Here's what I saw:
>
> http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_07_01/today.html
> (yes, I saw a webpage :)
>
> There was some cumulus congestus around which started to beef up a bit
> more around sunset.  Managed to drive through some small hail as well.
> In all it's not really that spectacular, but better than nothing, and
it
> enabled me to test out my camcorder.  The uploaded images are perhaps
a
> bit too big as you can see the pixels, but I'll improve that next time
> 'round.
>
> I've also put Melbourne's local radar for yesterday up on the page.
>
> I'll be interested to see any snaps Jane took.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> --
>
> Robert A. Goler
>
> Department of Mathematics and Statistics
> Monash University
> Clayton, Vic 3800
> Australia
>
> ph. +61 3 9905 4424
> email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au
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On Mon, 2 Jul 2001, Jane ONeill wrote:

> "mini-chase"??????
> all 414kms of it.... (thank goodness petrol was <80c a litre)

Well, I'm sure that compared to your 'normal' chases, 414kms would qualify
as mini :)  And I picked up petrol for 79.5 c/l which wasn't too shabby.



Cheers

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From: "Lyle Pakula" <lyle at atmos.colostate.edu>
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Hi,

I noticed some discussion on this forum about the upcomming winter weather
in aus and thought i would add my post originally to ski.com to get some
comments here.

Just to mention, I had my most sucessfull chase ever with a beautifull
classic supercell out in Nebraska on Saturday. We were on it for over 5
hours, watching it go from a little cu to a giant. Will have a report on it
by the end of the week ;) More chase days comming up in Wyo!


----[ski.com post]---

Hi Guys,

Well after a weekend of 'celebrations' and my best storm chase ever I'm back
at work and totally stoked for all of you back in Australia - things are
looking *real* good.

As mentioned previously, the rain/snow line may be an issue at first but i'm
confident of the biggest snowfall for the season so far. I think initially
there will be a mix and then maybe some significant rain but, hopefully, for
only a short priod while the air gets whipped around from the Tasman. After
that, it's on!

Looking at the SST's and the upper level trough forecast to come across, the
models are producing a BOMB - rapid cyclogensis off the East coast.
Everything looks spot on and the system should 'stack up' off the east coast
with a closed circulation right to 300mb. The system is forecast to cut-off
from the main baroclinic flow with a strong ridge building and intensfying
over the WA region. Considierng the momentumn that low is going to have,
it's going to spin for a while, coupled with the high, I would not be
suprised to see several fronts move straight up from the south over the next
week or more, it's going to be wild!

And for the storm chasers, it's all going to start with some possible cold
air thunderstorms comming off Bass Strait with possible waterspout sightings
definatly on the cards! Wish i was there...

Back to the snow issue..there could be some seriously good snowfalls. I'd be
looking for 50cm in Baw Baw and probbaly a little less in the central vic
alps. But this is only for the first wave of the system. If the cut-off low
sits there and the high over WA cooperates, expect coninuing snowfall, to
very low levels, late this week and into next weekend (thats out past
144hrs). If this all goes, and judging by the ECMWF, there is a good chance
that the long wave is going to coperate, a storm total of 1m across most of
the alps is definatly not out of the question. This would be a replica of
the storm that dropped 1m+ in May 2000. Here's hoping everyone!

For the pesismists who want to keep there feet on the ground, there are some
modes of faliure to consider. The 500mb vorticity looks good for
cyclogenesis but it is 'thin' in that it could be hit or miss as to whether
the surface low will form north enough to couple with the upper level
trough. I only mention this to mention it. I do not think this is an issue
at all and current obs already have the 'kink' forming on the leading edge
of this cold front. Not to mention that the upper level motion seems to have
been pushing nicely across the region to set-up for coupling.

Rain could be a real issue for a day or so as the low intensifies but,
again, i think this will only be an initial occureence and cold air will
swing through to keep the snow comming! All in all, this is a very exciting
system and the forecast patterns are looking good for a very long lived snow
event.

Cheers, Lyle

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>GASP develops 2 low centres by Thursday night, one south of Lord Howe
>Island, and another south of Adelaide, which have merged into a 994 low in
>eastern Bass Strait by Friday night. Consequently, the colder air tracks
>farther west and north, with a central thickness of 532 over Adelaide on
>Thursday night and 531 over the western Northern Tablelands of NSW by Friday
>night. Winds over Vic and NSW are mostly westerly, but GASP has 10 to 40mm
>of precip over eastern Vic and the NSW Southern Tablelands for the 48 hours
>to Sat night, and 5 to 15 up into the Central Tablelands. Snow hounds will
>be cheering on the local model!

>Laurier Williams
>Australian Weather News
>http://www.australianweathernews.com
>


Ohhhhh baby, do I like the look of that.  Please let it be true ;)

Phil


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Lyle and others, ain't second guessing the models in advance fun! Of course,
to keep us on our toes the new batch of progs have started coming in and
these show some variations to the scenarios. Most notably, the UK is turning
out a rather warm but impressive bomb for Friday, with a pressure drop (due
to development rather than advection) of some 25hPa in 24 hours near Gabo
Island (central pressures around 985hPa). Both GASP and UK now develop a
strong warm and moist wrap around on the southern side of the low, with core
thickness values approaching 550 gpdm near Bass Strait late in week or
weekend. The cold pool associated with the lows is progged to hover near
southern NSW through the event, with a quite remarkable baroclinic zone to
its south with (for example) 850 hPa temperatures being around 8C warmer
over Bass Strait/Tassie than southern NSW on Friday night. **IF** GASP and
UK are right, this system could be a serious rain producer... in fact their
would seem potential for a "very heavy rain" situation in the usual spots
(Otways, south Gippsland Hills, NE Tasmania etc.) depending on the exact
placement of the low and resultant onshore flow trajectories. As for
snow.... it look bad for Tassie but probably very good for NSW. Victoria is
anyone's guess?

Cheers,

David
                                                              
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Hi all,

Sat pic looks rather interesting for Sydney and a bit west, further
north towards SE QLD.  More so for Sydney though, what are people's
thoughts?  I was a little surprised they went for showers, the sounding
is very impressive the freezing level is at 800mb, 500mb temp is
-26C(!!!) and -43C 365mb before a small inversion, -46C  at  300mb though. 
If it gets to 16/9 (PBL averaged DP) it's unstable to 390mb in Sydney,
the max temp forecast is 18C.  Looking at radar there appears to be
strong showers/storms out to sea at the moment, some of them pulsing
into the pink.  I realise there'll be a weak trough out to sea and that
will act as a trigger in the wrong place, but is there a possibility of
something over land later this arvo for Sydney???

Of a little less interest, the sat pic wasn't quite what I was expecting
for us in SE QLD!  The air is very cold, but there's a significant
inversion just below 500mb, -17C  at  520mb, but -14C from 500mb to 420mb! 
-34C at 300mb though.  The BoM are going for local thunder on the border
ranges - there were some weak Cbs and large showers yesterday.  The air
over us however will get colder as this upper trough continues to
amplify somewhat.  This is going to be a wild card - we could see some
hailstorms if the cold air gets here in time, the 400mb temps are
looking to drop from -18C to -28C according to AVN!

Something to keep an eye on though...

AC
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Hi David and all.
There has been a marked change in the atmos: set up over south-eastern Aus
over the past several days, the development of this system and its location
will be critical in respect to where enhanced rainfall will occur, its also
possible for a surge of cold air to wrap around at some stage. Its also
interesting to note a progressive westward motion of a region of
cyclogenisis which over the past 3 weeks has favoured either west or east of
New Zealand to near Victoria this Friday. Have you noticed the reverse
upstream intensification process over the broad scale? at other times.
Regards Clyve Herbert,
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> Lyle and others, ain't second guessing the models in advance fun! Of
course,
> to keep us on our toes the new batch of progs have started coming in and
> these show some variations to the scenarios. Most notably, the UK is
turning
> out a rather warm but impressive bomb for Friday, with a pressure drop
(due
> to development rather than advection) of some 25hPa in 24 hours near Gabo
> Island (central pressures around 985hPa). Both GASP and UK now develop a
> strong warm and moist wrap around on the southern side of the low, with
core
> thickness values approaching 550 gpdm near Bass Strait late in week or
> weekend. The cold pool associated with the lows is progged to hover near
> southern NSW through the event, with a quite remarkable baroclinic zone to
> its south with (for example) 850 hPa temperatures being around 8C warmer
> over Bass Strait/Tassie than southern NSW on Friday night. **IF** GASP and
> UK are right, this system could be a serious rain producer... in fact
their
> would seem potential for a "very heavy rain" situation in the usual spots
> (Otways, south Gippsland Hills, NE Tasmania etc.) depending on the exact
> placement of the low and resultant onshore flow trajectories. As for
> snow.... it look bad for Tassie but probably very good for NSW. Victoria
is
> anyone's guess?
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
>
> Dr David Jones
>
> Climate Analysis Section
> National Climate Centre
> Bureau of Meteorology      Fax      : (+61 3) 9669 4678
> GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne   Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4861
> Victoria 3001, Australia   Ph (home): (+61 3) 9849 1646
> email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au
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Hi Supercell again.
The area of vorticity off central NSW can be traced to the weak mid level
trough and low over Vic on Sunday.Clyve H.
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> Hi all,
>
> Sat pic looks rather interesting for Sydney and a bit west, further
> north towards SE QLD.  More so for Sydney though, what are people's
> thoughts?  I was a little surprised they went for showers, the sounding
> is very impressive the freezing level is at 800mb, 500mb temp is
> -26C(!!!) and -43C 365mb before a small inversion, -46C  at  300mb though.
> If it gets to 16/9 (PBL averaged DP) it's unstable to 390mb in Sydney,
> the max temp forecast is 18C.  Looking at radar there appears to be
> strong showers/storms out to sea at the moment, some of them pulsing
> into the pink.  I realise there'll be a weak trough out to sea and that
> will act as a trigger in the wrong place, but is there a possibility of
> something over land later this arvo for Sydney???
>
> Of a little less interest, the sat pic wasn't quite what I was expecting
> for us in SE QLD!  The air is very cold, but there's a significant
> inversion just below 500mb, -17C  at  520mb, but -14C from 500mb to 420mb!
> -34C at 300mb though.  The BoM are going for local thunder on the border
> ranges - there were some weak Cbs and large showers yesterday.  The air
> over us however will get colder as this upper trough continues to
> amplify somewhat.  This is going to be a wild card - we could see some
> hailstorms if the cold air gets here in time, the 400mb temps are
> looking to drop from -18C to -28C according to AVN!
>
> Something to keep an eye on though...
>
> AC
> --
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> Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the
> Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA)
> (07) 3390 4812
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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 10:03:40 +1000
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Hi Supercell.
It was interesting to observe over Victoria on Sunday a similar structure
that ended up producing some reasonable showers and local hail which caught
"some" by surprise, the atmosphere was conditionally unstable always worth
watching!.best wishes Clyve H.
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> Hi all,
>
> Sat pic looks rather interesting for Sydney and a bit west, further
> north towards SE QLD.  More so for Sydney though, what are people's
> thoughts?  I was a little surprised they went for showers, the sounding
> is very impressive the freezing level is at 800mb, 500mb temp is
> -26C(!!!) and -43C 365mb before a small inversion, -46C  at  300mb though.
> If it gets to 16/9 (PBL averaged DP) it's unstable to 390mb in Sydney,
> the max temp forecast is 18C.  Looking at radar there appears to be
> strong showers/storms out to sea at the moment, some of them pulsing
> into the pink.  I realise there'll be a weak trough out to sea and that
> will act as a trigger in the wrong place, but is there a possibility of
> something over land later this arvo for Sydney???
>
> Of a little less interest, the sat pic wasn't quite what I was expecting
> for us in SE QLD!  The air is very cold, but there's a significant
> inversion just below 500mb, -17C  at  520mb, but -14C from 500mb to 420mb!
> -34C at 300mb though.  The BoM are going for local thunder on the border
> ranges - there were some weak Cbs and large showers yesterday.  The air
> over us however will get colder as this upper trough continues to
> amplify somewhat.  This is going to be a wild card - we could see some
> hailstorms if the cold air gets here in time, the 400mb temps are
> looking to drop from -18C to -28C according to AVN!
>
> Something to keep an eye on though...
>
> AC
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Hey all
Well it was a fun weekend, we had turkey towers all weekend from friday till 
monday, I took a few happy snaps at the gobble gobblers, and we had some 
heavy showers from the turkey's late saturday avo/night. I also watched the 
weekend weather reports on the TV, and well once again I felt sick, 
absolutally pathetic! No mention of the rain we had (was having!). The 
Channel 7 report was attroscious! Fine and partly cloudly!? With turkey's! 
That's crazy. something needs to be done.

Anyway the weather is interesting at the moment, with morning frosts and 
then the turkey's get up in the late avo, feels like a summer style upper 
low, except it's not warm enough.

Anyway that'll do for now, when I get the pics I'll have them scanned

Cheers
Les Baxter
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Hi folk,

Lunchtime Bom forecast for Friday for Central Tablelands:Thunder, possible
hail, snow to 800 metres and strong winds. Cold.

That would do me just fine!

Lindsay Pearce
Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
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 http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/blackhth.htm
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> Lyle and others, ain't second guessing the models in advance fun! Of
course,
> to keep us on our toes the new batch of progs have started coming in and
> these show some variations to the scenarios. Most notably, the UK is
turning
> out a rather warm but impressive bomb for Friday, with a pressure drop
(due
> to development rather than advection) of some 25hPa in 24 hours near Gabo
> Island (central pressures around 985hPa). Both GASP and UK now develop a
> strong warm and moist wrap around on the southern side of the low, with
core
> thickness values approaching 550 gpdm near Bass Strait late in week or
> weekend. The cold pool associated with the lows is progged to hover near
> southern NSW through the event, with a quite remarkable baroclinic zone to
> its south with (for example) 850 hPa temperatures being around 8C warmer
> over Bass Strait/Tassie than southern NSW on Friday night. **IF** GASP and
> UK are right, this system could be a serious rain producer... in fact
their
> would seem potential for a "very heavy rain" situation in the usual spots
> (Otways, south Gippsland Hills, NE Tasmania etc.) depending on the exact
> placement of the low and resultant onshore flow trajectories. As for
> snow.... it look bad for Tassie but probably very good for NSW. Victoria
is
> anyone's guess?
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
>
> Dr David Jones
>
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> National Climate Centre
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Subject: aus-wx: Conditionally Unstable, SE,QLD and most of eastern NSW.
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 13:07:47 +1000
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Hi all.
Looks to be conditionally unstable over most of the eastern parts of NSW and
southeast QLD, there could be some reasonable to decent CB developments over
these parts today especially the northern Tablelands,regards Clyve H.

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The BOM's Media Release on the GMS5 changes. I don't think there is much 
new there.

http://www.bom.gov.au/announcements/media_releases/ho/20010703.shtml

Cheers
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just had heavy rain and some small hail in Toowoomba starting at 1:30pm and 
going for about half an hour.

it's freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeezing here

have fun

Nate
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Hi all:

In addition to Clyve's message of hope, there's moderate
lightning activity just off the C and N NSW coastline with some decent 
lapse rates overspreading equally decent SSTs.  The showers 
and storms are arranged in a vaguely linear formation, with the 
N (tail) end having brought some precip to Toowoomba.

If this morning's BRI sounding hasn't changed dramatically, 
none of the N convection has the chance to stand tall as
a sizeable inversion caps activity around 500 hPa.
My coordinates of choice ATM would be the Coffs Harbour/GRafton/Yamba
area unless you own a fast boat.

One of the better cells was located about 70 km ENE of
Coffs Harbour at 3:30 UTC (1:30 pm ET) with 2 distinct cores exceeding
~50 dBZ (i.e. pink) and a longish precip shield extending to the SE.

It's July, and I'll take it.

Cheers, Harald

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IDW16N00

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SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 1426 on Tuesday the 3rd of July 2001

This advice affects people in the following weather districts:

Northern Rivers

Thunderstorms are forecast within the advice area this afternoon. Some of
these are expected to be severe bringing large hailstones, damaging winds
and very heavy rainfall. 

The STATE EMERGENCY SERVICE advises that as storms approach people should:
  * put vehicles under cover 
  * move indoors away from windows

During and after the storm people should:
  * beware of fallen trees and power lines 
  * keep away from creeks and drains as you may be swept away 
   
The RTA recommends motorists switch their lights & wipers on & slow down in
the wet.
 
If your house is damaged contact the State Emergency Service on 132 500 for
emergency assistance. Do not use the telephone during the storm. 

TV CRAWL: Severe Thunderstorm Advice current for the Northern Rivers
weather forecast district.

MEDIA PLEASE NOTE: This Advice message is valid until 6pm. The Bureau and
SES would appreciate it being broadcast regularly until this time.

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Good call Harald. I'm sure the north coast folk will have a blast.
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Yes I have a cell right on me now just east of Lismore (2.55pm). Very large 
drops - hoping for some hail !

Michael


At 14:37 03/07/2001 +1000, you wrote:
>IDW16N00
>
>TOP PRIORITY FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST
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>SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
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>Issued at 1426 on Tuesday the 3rd of July 2001
>
>This advice affects people in the following weather districts:
>
>Northern Rivers
>
>Thunderstorms are forecast within the advice area this afternoon. Some of
>these are expected to be severe bringing large hailstones, damaging winds
>and very heavy rainfall.
>
>The STATE EMERGENCY SERVICE advises that as storms approach people should:
>   * put vehicles under cover
>   * move indoors away from windows
>
>During and after the storm people should:
>   * beware of fallen trees and power lines
>   * keep away from creeks and drains as you may be swept away
>
>The RTA recommends motorists switch their lights & wipers on & slow down in
>the wet.
>
>If your house is damaged contact the State Emergency Service on 132 500 for
>emergency assistance. Do not use the telephone during the storm.
>
>TV CRAWL: Severe Thunderstorm Advice current for the Northern Rivers
>weather forecast district.
>
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HEHE good luck hope you get it :)
unfortunately nothing for syd yet no big cbs like yesterday but heres hoping
:)



<snip> Yes I have a cell right on me now just east of Lismore (2.55pm). Very
large drops - hoping for some hail !

 Michael


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From: davidkc at advanceenergy.com.au
Subject: aus-wx: Country Energy - Storm Info
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HI all..

Im sure there are alot of people in the North of the state now realise that
North Power is now Country Energy..  From 1st July Advance Energy, North
Power and Great Southern started trading as Country Energy,   Slowly but
surely we will all have systems information into one system..

I will have now have direct contact with old North Power Call Centre in
Port Mac and GSE Call Centre at Queanbeyan for any storm reports needed.

Any info required please email me at the above address..  This will change
in near future..

Thanks

David Carroll
Bathurst.


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HI all..

Report from Port Mac Call Centre,  ligjhtning hit power lines at
Kingscliff.. lines brought down.. minor outage..

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Hail in Warwick Starting aprox 3pm, with nice strong outflow winds before
arriving. Unexpected but really nice, still raining on and off at 5pm.

Adam

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Hi all,

Sorry for this hugely off topic post.

Does anyone know of utilities that enable direct file transfers between two 
PCs via a parallel cable or whatever?

I huge upgraded my PC and have to get several Gigs of data onto the new one 
so I can create CDs of all the weather data saved. The old PC has serial 
and parallel ports. DOS programs are fine. I just need something that will 
send directories of data from one PC to the other via a cable. I do not 
have network cards.

Please email me privately:
mbath at ozemail.com.au

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<P>Phil</P>
<P>I wasn't in SA then, but I distinctly remember Bendigo, where I lived at the time, getting snow (my first sight of the stuff) one very cold Sunday in July '69.&nbsp; It was my sister's first holy communion day, and we have photos of her in her quasi little girl's wedding outfit (the catholic church dresses female communicants in strange gear!) on the front lawn, as the white stuff floated gently down.</P>
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Trying to plug the SDS gap a little. Finally got up some info re the July 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;1969 cold outbreak in the Mid north of SA. The 'Advertiser' survivied 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;because I was the week of the first Moon landing and my parents kept the 
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;As usual, any stories or memories.... 
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Hello all,

Just about to be hit here - lucky day with a great looking winter storm - a
long, long shelf cloud with layering and some anvil over the top coming up
from the south east from Moreton Bay toward Caboolture and Elimbah, where I
am....

Lots of lightning behind it and thunder coming up now...

Too dark for a good photo...

:-/

Better go now.

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From: "Les Crossan" <les.crossan at virgin.net>
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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 08:10:17 +0100
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Norton Ghost will transfer drive contents down a parallel cable, presumably
they're FAT32 so Interlnk won't work (but Laplink might)

Might be better to slave one of the disks and copy it that way if there's
gigs of data.

Les
Les Crossan and Christine Challen,
Wallsend, Tyne & Wear 55N 01-30W
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> Hi all,
>
> Sorry for this hugely off topic post.
>
> Does anyone know of utilities that enable direct file transfers between
two
> PCs via a parallel cable or whatever?
>
> I huge upgraded my PC and have to get several Gigs of data onto the new
one
> so I can create CDs of all the weather data saved. The old PC has serial
> and parallel ports. DOS programs are fine. I just need something that will
> send directories of data from one PC to the other via a cable. I do not
> have network cards.
>
> Please email me privately:
> mbath at ozemail.com.au
>
> thanks
>
>
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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Cold, wet outbreak for Thurs/Fri?
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The EC now agrees with GASP and MRF in predicting a moderately cold outbreak
over Vic and NSW for late Thursday or Friday. The circumstances, however,
are unusual, and there's a chance of snow along the eastern parts of the
Great Divide in NSW, and possibly widespread in Victoria.

All three models are consistent in predicting a low to form south of New
Caledonia and east of Brisbane during Wednesday, then to move steadily SW to
eastern Bass Strait by late Friday before shifting away to the E or SE.
Meantime, a high in the Bight ridging SE will drag colder air up from around
50S over the southeast. Differences in treatment start to appear here.

EC has a substantial cold pool with central thickness of 534 over about
Young at 12z Thursday, then washes out to a broad upper trough lying from
Adelaide to Brisbane around 542 by 12z Friday. EC drops the surface low to
~990hPa just east of Gabo Island 12z Friday, then moves it slowly east and
deepening on Sat keeping winds mostly SW over Vic and NSW.

GASP develops 2 low centres by Thursday night, one south of Lord Howe
Island, and another south of Adelaide, which have merged into a 994 low in
eastern Bass Strait by Friday night. Consequently, the colder air tracks
farther west and north, with a central thickness of 532 over Adelaide on
Thursday night and 531 over the western Northern Tablelands of NSW by Friday
night. Winds over Vic and NSW are mostly westerly, but GASP has 10 to 40mm
of precip over eastern Vic and the NSW Southern Tablelands for the 48 hours
to Sat night, and 5 to 15 up into the Central Tablelands. Snow hounds will
be cheering on the local model!

MRF keeps the low farther east and shallower, but still has Victoria and
much of southern and central NSW sub-540 thickness by Friday morning. Precip
totals are pretty light, however, in a SW flow. NOGAPS is similar, but
doesn't develop a low centre; rather has a deep trough extending down the
NSW coast at this time, and, like MRF, little precip.

Significantly, none of the models has any SW or S jet development during the
period, so it won't be a true polar outbreak as air will mostly be arriving
from around 50S. However, the potential for interaction between the ECL and
colder air at last gives us something interesting to watch.

Laurier Williams
Australian Weather News
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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Reduction in availability of GMS-5 satellite imagery
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Some bad news for southern ocean watchers -- especially those looking for
cold outbreaks surging up from the south. From this Wednesday, GMS-5 will be
reducing its imagery availability to cover only as far south as 49 degrees
S, while the number of transmissions daily will be nearly halved. This
situation is only likely to be improved with the launch of MTSAT-1R early in
2003. The full text of an explanation issued by Tarini Casinader of the
Bureau follows.

Laurier

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CHANGES TO AVAILABILITY OF GMS-5 SATELLITE IMAGERY


Explanation of the situation

The Japan Meteorological Agency (JMA) has announced that from 4 July 2001
there will be a reduction in the satellite imagery available from its
Geostationary Meteorological Satellite GMS-5. The changes will comprise:
1) A reduction in the geographical extent of the satellite pictures, which
will now only extend as far south as latitude 49 South; and
2) A reduction in the number of satellite pictures received each day, from
the current 28 pictures a day to 16, so that previously hourly images will
now be at intervals of about two hours.

The reason for this reduction is that GMS-5, which is the fifth in the GMS
series operated by JMA, is now well beyond its design life. GMS-5 was due
to be replaced by the Multi-functional Transport Satellite (MTSAT) in late
1999 but unfortunately MTSAT was lost due to a launch vehicle failure.
Since that time the JMA has been taking steps to ensure GMS-5 observations
continue up to the launch of MTSAT-1R in early 2003. Reducing the extent
and number of pictures it scans should significantly extend the usable life
of the satellite.


Impact on Bureau products and services

Australia has been extremely fortunate to have the benefits of satellite
imagery from Japan’s weather satellite program for over two decades. The
program is a key part of the Global Observing System of the World
Meteorological Organization. GMS cloud images have been of vital importance
to the operations of national meteorological services in the Asia-Pacific
region.

The reduced satellite imagery will affect both the Bureau’s forecasting and
warning services and its data access services.


Impact on forecasting and warning services

Satellite pictures are used in several ways in routine weather forecasting
and warning. Forecasters are able to interpret the pattern of clouds in the
satellite pictures to get better information on such features as the
position of fronts, low pressure systems and tropical cyclones, and the type
of rainfall that might be produced in some areas. The satellite images are
also used to derive information for high up in the atmosphere ­ winds and
temperatures for example ­ which are then fed into computer models
(numerical weather prediction models or NWP models) which simulate the
evolution of the atmosphere over a number of days ahead; forecasters use
these as guidance in deriving their forecasts of weather. Satellite imagery
is therefore an extremely important tool for weather forecasting services.

There is almost certain to be some impact on the quality of forecasting
services due to the reduction in availability of satellite data. This will
be relatively small for the current reduction in coverage and frequency, but
if the satellite were to fail completely, the impact would be much more
significant. It is important to remember however that many other types of
data are also used in weather forecasting and warning services, so the
latter are by no means entirely dependent on satellite-derived information.

The aspects of services likely to be affected most are the positioning of
tropical cyclones well off the coast and the timing of summertime cool
changes in southern Australia. In addition the daily solar radiation service
will be disrupted.


Impact on data access services

Some of the Bureau’s data access services will also be affected. Any
service providing hourly frequency of pictures will now be updated less
frequently, and any service currently including “full disk” pictures which
show the whole earth hemisphere, will show a black area south of 49S with no
information.


Alternative arrangements

JMA has endeavoured to minimise the impact of the reduced observations on
forecasting and warning by ensuring that they cluster images around the
times in a day when input to computer models is most important. In
addition, in the case of further reductions in GMS5 data, the Bureau is
examining “substitute” satellite images produced by other satellites
including the United States’ NOAA polar orbiting satellites, and other
geostationary satellites to the east of Australian longitudes.
The substitute satellite pictures will be used to supplement the Bureau’s
forecasting and warning and data access services to the extent possible if
GMS fails. These images will not be as frequent or as convenient as those
from GMS-5, which is a geostationary satellite (effectively stationary above
the equator) located in Australian longitudes, and so showed the full disk
of the earth with Australia very close to the centre of the picture.
However, they can be used quite effectively in the forecast process.


For further enquiries on this subject please contact your nearest Bureau
Regional Office in the first instance.



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Hi all,

The rainfall at Schofields has totalled 2.8mm for the month of June. 
Certainly the driest June I have recorded since my records began in 1987. 
We'll see what July holds.

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Jimmy Deguara
Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher

from
Schofields, Sydney
NSW Australia

e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au

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Australian Severe Weather Home Page
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Hi Don,

This morning I left having forgotten to check the rain gauge...ie it was 
that dry. Then as I went through Schofields - about 400m straight distance, 
the road was wet and continued wet all the way to Richmond Road. Very 
localised. When the gauge was checked, it only had rain 0.2mm. Now I would 
say there must have been more further west since the road was wet and some 
water had dripped off the edge of the road - lets say at least 1mm. Typical...

I must say that I was so carried away that I did not take notice of the 
weather situation last night and was surprised by your e-mail about the 
rain in the far western parts. Occasionally, I do miss a beat....

Jimmy Deguara

At 09:08 PM 2/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>Does any one those living in the Greater Western parts of Sydney got any 
>comments on anything tonight. I note that Penrith AWS had 30 mm between 8 
>and 10 pm and 6 mm at Richmond - Radar didn't look that heavy. What was it?
>
>Don W
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from
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NSW Australia

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Subject: aus-wx: Off topic police strike?
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 18:06:42 +1000
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No weather happening here so a bit of off topic (sick) humour. The Victoria
police are thinking about industrial disputes to get their pay claim
through. Who would we call on if they decided to riot? :-))
Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)

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Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 19:07:04 +1000
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Hi all!

Some updrafts developed during the day, the inversion at 500mb possibly
worked to our advantage not letting too much convection occuring, around
2-3pm there was a sudden destablisation and a line of storms formed to
the SW, I was at work and headed out.  I got caught up in a nice
hailstorm near Logan, with torrential rain and small hail with some
strong winds!  Several nice flangs, the type where you have a big flash
and you go "Whoa!  Where was ****CRACKBANNNNGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!*"  Several
nice CGs in view, as well as a little lightning show to the NE in the
evening after the line of storms moved on - was a bit of fun today
chasing in between work!
-- 
Anthony Cornelius
Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the 
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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 05:53:48 EDT
Subject: Re: aus-wx: OFF TOPIC: PC to PC file transfer
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Windows 98 Has a pretty easy utility called direct cable connection. I havent 
used it myself so you might heve to look in windows help.

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> Subject: Subject: aus-wx: Winter on it's way?

 There's a really icy spell over NZ at the moment - not a polar southerly
blast, but a big fat anticyclone resulting in mean frosts. (the frosts even
look like dustings of snow on some of the shaded hillsides on Banks
Peninsula, near Christchurch!) The lowest temperature (air I presume) I've
heard of has been - 12 C at Hanmer in inland North Canterbury yesterday.
Even Auckland is getting frosts.
 BTW June was one of the warmest on record in the lower South Island (after
the freeze of late May, plus a further brief snowy spell in early/ mid
June), yet some northern areas were colder than average. This was due to
more highs (and consequently frosty nights) in the north, and
northwesterlies in the south.

Ben
Christchurch ( abot 2 C and falling, despite being partly cloudy)
NZ

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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at rubix.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: NE NSW multicell
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This multicell off the northern coast of NSW appears to have split & one
section appears to be propagating NW - shows interesting similarity to
the Sydney hailstorm (see
http://www.braenet.com.au/~disarm/radar/14-04-99.gif )..... also the
cell to the SW of Grafton has been severe in parts for the past 40
minutes.......oh to be in the NE NSW area atm.......

Jane

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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at rubix.net.au>
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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 18:35:08 +1000
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My max temp today got to 9.7C & the strongest(?) wind gust was 6kmh!!!!!
No wonder the fog/smog hung around all day.

Below is an image of Queenscliff taken from the Point Lonsdale
lighthouse.......can you find Queenscliff? Actually - can you find where
the sea ends and the air begins?
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/July2001/pltoq.jpg

Jane
(Dave: please note - sent at 1834AEST)

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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at rubix.net.au>
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This multicell off the northern coast of NSW appears to have split & one
section appears to be propagating NW - shows interesting similarity to
the Sydney hailstorm (see
http://www.braenet.com.au/~disarm/radar/14-04-99.gif )..... also the
cell to the SW of Grafton has been severe in parts for the past 40
minutes.......oh to be in the NE NSW area atm.......

Jane
(originally sent 1509, next sent 1818)

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From: "Greg Curtis" <curtisg at ecn.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Brisbane storms 3 July 2001
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Hello everybody.

Couple of photos of those storms that passed through Brisbane late this
afternoon.

All photos taken from Birdwood Tce Rainworth looking over the City to the
east at about 4:45 pm.

http://www.ecn.net.au/~curtisg/200107031.jpg

http://www.ecn.net.au/~curtisg/200107032.jpg

http://www.ecn.net.au/~curtisg/200107033.jpg

Regards

Greg Curtis
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My max temp today got to 9.7C & the strongest(?) wind gust was 6kmh!!!!!
No wonder the fog/smog hung around all day.

Below is an image of Queenscliff taken from the Point Lonsdale
lighthouse.......can you find Queenscliff? Actually - can you find where
the sea ends and the air begins?
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/July2001/pltoq.jpg

Jane

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Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 23:19:33 +1000
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The weather channels outlook for friday for Orange is 5 degrees but for
Katoomba it is 16 degrees. Do you think this is a mistake or is it
likely to reach 16 in Katoomba but only 5 in Orange??
I'm confused?

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Pics of my "mini-chase" can be found at
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/01_07_01.htm

and also pics from June (great shot of a sunset with contrails here)
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/14a_06_01.htm

These & more can be found on 
'Images of Victorian weather - a visual summary"
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/vicwx.htm


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There's no way it will be 16 in Katoomba on Friday, even if the
approaching system does bomb out. I reckon it would be better
interpreted as 6.

Andrew.

Tony & Damian wrote:
> 
> The weather channels outlook for friday for Orange is 5 degrees but for
> Katoomba it is 16 degrees. Do you think this is a mistake or is it
> likely to reach 16 in Katoomba but only 5 in Orange??
> I'm confused?
> 
> Damian
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The generally accepted range of interest is from around -40dBZ up
through -20dBZ in non precipitating clouds, -20dBZ to about 10dBZ for
clear air and PBL density discontinuity detection (hydrometeors are
not essential), 10dBZ to about 60dBZ for rain, and 60dBZ to 70dBZ plus
for hail.
Since the cut-off is apparently a rather high 10dBZ or so, it would
tend to confirm my original thoughts.
It would be interesting to have the radar system specs, so as one
could do some calculations.  

PC



Harald Richter wrote:
> 
> Uhh, interesting and potentially volatile discussion
> developing here.  Let me throw in some info that connects the
> BOM rain rate (RR) to the reflectivity (dBZ). I did these calculations as I have
> had difficulties in interpreting the rain rates, similar to Peter.
> 
> RR:   <0.3   0.3-2      2-10       10-20      20-40      40-100     >100
> dBZ:  <14.6  14.6-27.8  27.8-39.0  39.0-43.8  43.8-48.6  48.6-55.0  >55.0
>       black  dkblue     lgtblue    yellow     green      pink       red
> 
> This table assumes the underlying relationship
> 
>    Z = 200*RR^1.6
> 
> where Z is the radar reflectivity factor, a function of the reflector
> particle diameter (to the _sixth_ power) and the particle density
> integrated over a radar sampling volume.
> The more common "reflectivity" is the scaled reflectivity factor
> 
>    dBZ = 10 * log(Z)
> 
> (log to the base of 10).
> 
> It's interesting to note that the common BOM radar display shows
> no returns below 14.6 dBZ precluding the detection of clear air boundaries
> (important for convective initiation) and (I am guessing) some light rain areas.
> 
> 
> > No argument with the geographic or demographic factors as such, but
> > they are not relevant either.  The comment concerned the output from
> > existing radar.  It's a question of excessively "dumbing down" the
> > information available from the radar that cost a heap of our hard
> > earned tax dollars.
> > Rain rate displays are OK as far as they go, but
> > they are the result of heavily filtered and processed data, you could
> > say, excessively so.
> 
> Might be an issue of what is most suitable for "the public" [sic]. Reflectivities
> are "truer" information,  while "rain rates" are more commonly understood.
> I am not sure how exactly the raw power returns are processed before they
> end up as rain rates on the web.  But the conversion from dBZ to RR seems
> to be a simple step by itself.
> 
> > As David would well know, rain rate alone is not
> > the issue.  Not all storms precipitate, and besides, storm structure,
> > winds etc are as big, if not a bigger issue, than rain anyway.  Anyone
> > who knows how radar works can glean a lot from the raw dbZ output.
> 
> Radars need reflectors to see - storm structures and winds are invisible
> to a radar without dielectric hydrometeors (unfortunately!).
> Storm structure is best observed with a camcorder from under the updraught base :)
> 
> > David Jones wrote:
> > >
> > > >From: Peter Creswick <ventus45 at ihug.com.au>
> > > >Subject: aus-wx: Radar
> > > >
> > > >South Africa has nice radar, real dbZ's and all.  Pitty ours isn't as
> > > >good.
> > >
> > > err? In what way are these better than the excellent products avaliable
> > > locally from the BOM network (eg www.bom.gov.au , www.weatherzone.com.au
> > > etc.? ) Besides, when your country is about the size of Victoria, and double
> > > the population of Australia monitoring is just a tad easier.
> 
> It's the old song. The preferred 10 cm Doppler radar coverage of all of Australia
> is too expensive to be reality given far less than 20 million tax payers and
> given that radar acquisition is not the nation's top priority in Canberra (or Melbourne).
> Instead we have (primarily) a coastal fringe of 5 cm coverage.  That's not too bad,
> given the circumstances.
> 
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From: "John Woodbridge" <jrw at pixelcom.net>
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Hi Greg,

Great shots & nice to see what was really going on.  At Sumner I was looking
NE at the storm, from a somewhat different angle and distance to you.  My
video pics show what appears at one stage to be a huge wedge tornado (even
in the right location), but in fact as your photo shows, it was just scud &
a bit of shelf formation.

The "wedge":

www.pixelcom.net/jrw/stormpic/Stm030701a.jpg

3 frames of lowerings:

www.pixelcom.net/jrw/stormpic/Stm030701b.jpg

Also a CG earlier near Logan:

www.pixelcom.net/jrw/stormpic/Stm030701.jpg

John.
>snip


Hello everybody.

Couple of photos of those storms that passed through Brisbane late this
afternoon.

All photos taken from Birdwood Tce Rainworth looking over the City to the
east at about 4:45 pm.

http://www.ecn.net.au/~curtisg/200107031.jpg

http://www.ecn.net.au/~curtisg/200107032.jpg

http://www.ecn.net.au/~curtisg/200107033.jpg

Regards

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From: "Lyle Pakula" <lyle at atmos.colostate.edu>
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Hi Winter Weather Watchers,

I think the chance of some seriously heavy *rain* is very likely but only in
the inital stages. Climatoligically, this is a really good time for snow and
bombs so I think whatever the models are saying is maybe a bit biased - due
to obs or model error? Who knows but i'm going with climo on this and saying
it will initially bring some rain and then heavy, heavy snow. However, there
is some indiciation of this too, the models over the last two days are now
increasing the penetration of the initial cold air from the front currently
entering the bight and systems like this typical place their coldest air
(pot temp) just above the surface extending verticaly, so thickness values
of 540 would also include the lower level warmth. If NOGAPS comes through,
the central mountains will be hit real hard.

The movement of the low really is the big issue, as Laurier pointed out, the
models differ on placment, intensification and propagation. I hope for all
you back at home and my boarding buddies that this comes through to give the
season a real boost! Though i can't look at too many oz charts, it's a chase
day in E Wyo :)

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From: "Ben Quinn" <benquinn at optushome.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Straddy Waterspout
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Hi all

I just got a copy of the Straddy waterspout (although going from previous
emails to this list it looks a bit too big to be a waterspout??) footage
that was on the news a few weeks ago and WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it is amazing.  I
don't have a capture card so i've just taken a digi cam shot for now - the
quality of this shot is really ordinary, but the footage is very very
good... should get some great captures from it

http://www.bsch.au.com/temp/spout.jpg

The footage goes for around 8 minutes and shows it from development to
dissipation (some awesome twists in it as it was roping out!).  With any
luck i'll have some captures and movies on the net in a few days



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Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2001 23:30:30 +0100
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From: "Ben Quinn" <benquinn at optushome.com.au>
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Hi all

I managed to get a few shots of this activity as well

Around 4:30pm looking south(ish) towards Brisbane

http://www.bsch.au.com/temp/yepyep.jpg

And as i drove up to it a grunty shelf cloud came into view

http://www.bsch.au.com/temp/guster1.jpg
http://www.bsch.au.com/temp/guster2.jpg
http://www.bsch.au.com/temp/guster2.jpg

Also a MPEG pan (only 500k or so) of a storm to it's WNW and a very nice
roll cloud that developed as the storm above gusted out

http://www.bsch.au.com/temp/pan.mpg





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> Hi Greg,
>
> Great shots & nice to see what was really going on.  At Sumner I was
looking
> NE at the storm, from a somewhat different angle and distance to you.  My
> video pics show what appears at one stage to be a huge wedge tornado (even
> in the right location), but in fact as your photo shows, it was just scud
&
> a bit of shelf formation.
>
> The "wedge":
>
> www.pixelcom.net/jrw/stormpic/Stm030701a.jpg
>
> 3 frames of lowerings:
>
> www.pixelcom.net/jrw/stormpic/Stm030701b.jpg
>
> Also a CG earlier near Logan:
>
> www.pixelcom.net/jrw/stormpic/Stm030701.jpg
>
> John.
> >snip
>
>
> Hello everybody.
>
> Couple of photos of those storms that passed through Brisbane late this
> afternoon.
>
> All photos taken from Birdwood Tce Rainworth looking over the City to the
> east at about 4:45 pm.
>
> http://www.ecn.net.au/~curtisg/200107031.jpg
>
> http://www.ecn.net.au/~curtisg/200107032.jpg
>
> http://www.ecn.net.au/~curtisg/200107033.jpg
>
> Regards
>
> Greg Curtis
> Brisbane
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Hi all tropos!
The top end of the NT is showing yet another spell of cloudy conditions
under the weak baroclinic development  in that region, this is the second
cloudy spell in just on two weeks not bad for this time of the year  even
producing a few spots of light rain. regards Clyve H.

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Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 08:48:50 +0800
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The last rain bands of Typhoon Durian swept across us yesterday.  I could 
hardly stay on my feet due to the winds as I walked up to the doctor's 
office.  And the rain was almost solid.  Then in the afternoon it was 
clear sunny skies.
And this morning it is clear sunny skies with the river looking like a 
mirror.  What's wrong with that?  Well, it's summertime here and during 
the summer clear skies mean only one thing ... there's an immense storm 
on the way!
The satellite pics show Typhoon Utor with a cloud diameter of 2000 Kms 
headed exactly in this direction.  The nearest cloud bands have already 
crosed the Philippines and Taiwan, so I guess our sunny skies will 
disappear by tonight.  I will be surprised if we don't get a number 8 
typhoon signal out of this one. (Number 8 closes everything down and 
everyone is confined to their homes)  We may even get signals 9 or 10 
(increasing gales or full hurricane) as well.
I have gathered a lot of useful links for following it on 
http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm 
and if my site gets bombed out by the storm it will be mirrored on Carl's 
site.
Looks like an exciting few days coming up.

Phil
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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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Clyve wrote:

> Hi all tropos!
> The top end of the NT is showing yet another spell of cloudy conditions
> under the weak baroclinic development  in that region, this is the second
> cloudy spell in just on two weeks not bad for this time of the year  even
> producing a few spots of light rain. regards Clyve H.

Few spots!?

Gove AP had 14mm to 9am Monday and 45 to 9am Tuesday. Nabalco Mine had 17
and 48.5 respectively, making them the wettest places on the continent.
Gove's July monthly average is 20.2mm, and its highest 24-hour and monthly
July falls in 25 years computer record are 46.6 and 67.8 respectively. So,
with 59mm in the first 3 days of the month, Gove is within 9mm of a record.

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Hi All.

>The last rain bands of Typhoon Durian swept across us yesterday.  I could
>hardly stay on my feet due to the winds as I walked up to the doctor's
>office.  And the rain was almost solid.  Then in the afternoon it was
>clear sunny skies.
>And this morning it is clear sunny skies with the river looking like a
>mirror.  What's wrong with that?  Well, it's summertime here and during
>the summer clear skies mean only one thing ... there's an immense storm
>on the way!
>The satellite pics show Typhoon Utor with a cloud diameter of 2000 Kms
>headed exactly in this direction.  The nearest cloud bands have already
>crosed the Philippines and Taiwan, so I guess our sunny skies will
>disappear by tonight.  I will be surprised if we don't get a number 8
>typhoon signal out of this one. (Number 8 closes everything down and
>everyone is confined to their homes)  We may even get signals 9 or 10
>(increasing gales or full hurricane) as well.
>I have gathered a lot of useful links for following it on
>http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm
>and if my site gets bombed out by the storm it will be mirrored on Carl's
>site.
>Looks like an exciting few days coming up.
>
>Phil
><><
<snip>

If it does hit HK, Phil's site may well become unavailable, and even if it
comes close to HK web traffic is likely to slow to a crawl judging from
past typhoons.

The URL mirroring the links to Typhoon Utor info that Phil referred to
above is http://users.ace-net.com.au/~carls/current.htm for those who may
not already know.

Looks like heavy rains from this monster cyclone are going to cause serious
problems from mudflows for those living near the Mayon volcano that erupted
recently.

Regards,
Carl.

~~~~~~~~~~
Carl Smith.
Gold Coast.
Queensland.
Australia.

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Hi all,

The BOM has -2C to 9C for Orange on Friday with showers. Yet, +48 LAPS has
536 thickness over our area at that time and a number of other models are
similar. Did they mean to put 6C? Even today we only got 9.5C at my place, I
can't  imagine it getting to 9C on Friday in Orange or here. I remember this
happening last year in late June with one of our snowfalls. The BOM had
something like a max of 8 for us on that day. It did actually briefly get to
4C that day but was 0C by 8am and never got above 2C all day. I'm sometimes
intrigued as to how they come up with these temps. Not being critical, just
trying to understand the logic.

Lindsay Pearce
Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
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Ben

Well done for getting the footage. The photo looks good, can't wait to see
the film.

Is it a Moreton Bay spout or an ocean spout. Or is it possibly a land based
tornado on Straddie ???

I've always thought Moreton Bay is a potential waterspout hotspot (esp in
Winter/Spring when cold air rushes over warm waters). Just like yesterday
for example.

Regards
Simon



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> Hi all
>
> I just got a copy of the Straddy waterspout (although going from previous
> emails to this list it looks a bit too big to be a waterspout??) footage
> that was on the news a few weeks ago and WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it is amazing.
I
> don't have a capture card so i've just taken a digi cam shot for now - the
> quality of this shot is really ordinary, but the footage is very very
> good... should get some great captures from it
>
> http://www.bsch.au.com/temp/spout.jpg
>
> The footage goes for around 8 minutes and shows it from development to
> dissipation (some awesome twists in it as it was roping out!).  With any
> luck i'll have some captures and movies on the net in a few days
>
>
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SWA issued for SA at 4.10pm. It's on its way :-)
Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)

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Hi all,
       If a significant change is on the way for Broadford, the Currawongs
give characteristic "wolf whistle" calls up to 48 hrs before. They seem to
have vanished!!!!!!!!!!!  As I write this email, my wife has just informed
me she heard the whistles this arvo Any ideas???
Cheers Peter

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SWA issued for SA at 4.10pm. It's on its way :-)
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Here it comes from two directions!

The troughs moving through SA at present look impressive on the radar, and
have produced gusts to 85km/h at Neptune Is, 79 at Minnipa and Wudinna, and
68 at Ceduna in the past few hours.

However, the low in the northern Tasman has given Norfolk Island a wild day,
with the wind averaging between 50 and 70km/h all day, and a peak gust of
116km/h at 02.30UTC (13.30 local time?) when the wind was averaging 79km/h.
The low has just passed the island with a central pressure of 996, and is
the low the models are suggesting will head southwest toward Bass Strait,
though it's moving SSE at the moment. It gave the island's airport 36mm to
9am yesterday, 45 to 9 this morning and a further 44 to 6 tonight.

Laurier


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>
> Hi all,
>        If a significant change is on the way for Broadford, the Currawongs
> give characteristic "wolf whistle" calls up to 48 hrs before. They seem to
> have vanished!!!!!!!!!!!  As I write this email, my wife has just informed
> me she heard the whistles this arvo Any ideas???
> Cheers Peter
>
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> SWA issued for SA at 4.10pm. It's on its way :-)
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I have stayed out debating  the exciting prospect of this low as simply I
can't see the low pressure drifting from New Caledonia to Bass strait. The
models have had several stabs at lows drifting SW or W this year and all
have stalled and headed east. I admit the setup is totally different,
however I am going with gut feeling and ignoring models.

My gut feeling is this event will flop big time.

Having said that the chances have improved dramatically.

Michael


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> Hi all,
>
> The BOM has -2C to 9C for Orange on Friday with showers. Yet, +48 LAPS has
> 536 thickness over our area at that time and a number of other models are
> similar. Did they mean to put 6C? Even today we only got 9.5C at my place,
I
> can't  imagine it getting to 9C on Friday in Orange or here. I remember
this
> happening last year in late June with one of our snowfalls. The BOM had
> something like a max of 8 for us on that day. It did actually briefly get
to
> 4C that day but was 0C by 8am and never got above 2C all day. I'm
sometimes
> intrigued as to how they come up with these temps. Not being critical,
just
> trying to understand the logic.
>
> Lindsay Pearce
> Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
> Email: violin at lisp.com.au
> Blackheath Weather:
>  http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/blackhth.htm
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>SWA issued for SA at 4.10pm. It's on its way :-)
>Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)

Raining steadily now (8.00pm CST) in Adelaide.  Another trough/front coming
through at night!!!  Anyway - if any cold air action develops I'll be down
at the beach first thing tomorrow morning...

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Hi Simon

At times in the footage you can see quite a bit of white spray around the
base of the spout, so it was most definately over water.  I'm not sure if it
was in Moreton bay or not, i'll find out though

I've uploaded a couple more digi shots of the footage

http://www.bsch.au.com/temp/spout2.jpg
http://www.bsch.au.com/temp/spout3.jpg
Those black lines aren't in the footage, they're just in the digi shots for
some reason

Check out the S bend in the second one!


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> Ben
>
> Well done for getting the footage. The photo looks good, can't wait to see
> the film.
>
> Is it a Moreton Bay spout or an ocean spout. Or is it possibly a land
based
> tornado on Straddie ???
>
> I've always thought Moreton Bay is a potential waterspout hotspot (esp in
> Winter/Spring when cold air rushes over warm waters). Just like yesterday
> for example.
>
> Regards
> Simon
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ben Quinn" <benquinn at optushome.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2001 9:23 AM
> Subject: aus-wx: Straddy Waterspout
>
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > I just got a copy of the Straddy waterspout (although going from
previous
> > emails to this list it looks a bit too big to be a waterspout??) footage
> > that was on the news a few weeks ago and WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it is
amazing.
> I
> > don't have a capture card so i've just taken a digi cam shot for now -
the
> > quality of this shot is really ordinary, but the footage is very very
> > good... should get some great captures from it
> >
> > http://www.bsch.au.com/temp/spout.jpg
> >
> > The footage goes for around 8 minutes and shows it from development to
> > dissipation (some awesome twists in it as it was roping out!).  With any
> > luck i'll have some captures and movies on the net in a few days
> >
> >
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Can someone tell me why the satpics are cut off south of Australia but
not anywhere else in the southern hemisphere????


http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/global/stitched/ir/LATEST.jpg

Jane

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ahem...and 30secs after I hit 'Send' i worked out the answer to my own
question <g> - the area that is cut off shows the limits of GMS-5
doesn't it?

Roll on the low to the west.....pleased to see that vectoring from the
JCU satellite loop works a treat <g> - that low is going to land in
western Victoria I think........lightning to the west - the lightning
detector is on!!
ftp://ftp.jcu.edu.au/JCUMetSat/ausmovie.gif

Jane


> Can someone tell me why the satpics are cut off south of Australia but
> not anywhere else in the southern hemisphere????
>
>
> http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/global/stitched/ir/LATEST.jpg
>
> Jane
>
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Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2001 22:57:23 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius <cyclone at bigpond.net.au>
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Hi Jane,

This is because of the new GMS-5 restrictions that have come in, which
no longer will do satellite imagery south of Australia.  I think the
other areas are covered by different satellites...

AC

Jane ONeill wrote:
> 
> Can someone tell me why the satpics are cut off south of Australia but
> not anywhere else in the southern hemisphere????
> 
> http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/global/stitched/ir/LATEST.jpg
> 
> Jane
> 
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Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 05:41:51 +0800
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Jimmy, we beat Schofields by 1080.8 mm!  Our total here for June was 
1083.6 mm, the highest on record.
The summary for this month is at
http://www2.info.gov.hk/hko/wxinfo/pastwx/monthly.htm
and as this was a month for superlatives you have to scroll a long way.
And now we are under Typhoon Utor whose centre is 620 Km ESE of here but 
whose winds and rain have already arrived.

Phil
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> Hi all,
> 
> The rainfall at Schofields has totalled 2.8mm for the month of June. 
> Certainly the driest June I have recorded since my records began in
> 1987. 
> We'll see what July holds.
> 
> -----------------------------------------
> Jimmy Deguara
> Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
> 
> from
> Schofields, Sydney
> NSW Australia
> 
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> 
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> 
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thanks to everyone who replied about this - much appreciated !

MB

At 08:10 03/07/2001 +0100, you wrote:
>Norton Ghost will transfer drive contents down a parallel cable, presumably
>they're FAT32 so Interlnk won't work (but Laplink might)
>
>Might be better to slave one of the disks and copy it that way if there's
>gigs of data.
>
>Les
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> > Hi all,
> >
> > Sorry for this hugely off topic post.
> >
> > Does anyone know of utilities that enable direct file transfers between
>two
> > PCs via a parallel cable or whatever?
> >
> > I huge upgraded my PC and have to get several Gigs of data onto the new
>one
> > so I can create CDs of all the weather data saved. The old PC has serial
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> >
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> >
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The damn models have done it again with the coming low system for SE
Australia, and decided to change quite considerably from yesterdays runs.
Instead of an intense low developing near central Victoria, with widespread
sub 540 thickness values over the Victorian highlands/NSW (read heavy snow),
they are now spinning up a much warmer low further north and east, to lie
near the Southern NSW coast on Saturday/Sunday. The rather dramatic swings
back and forth in the model predictions over recent days, suggests that much
uncertainty exists in what exactly will happen over the weekend for those in
the SE.... I guess the only safe bet is that some parts of the area will be
subject to heavy rain, while most areas will be subject to strong winds. As
for snow this could make the season, or leave us skiers waiting for the next
system to fire things up......

Cheers,

David.

                                                              
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Hi all,

Slightly off topic, but this may help some people.  A group called "Fuel
Watch" post fuel prices up on their site, and they can also email you
the latest fuel prices eacfh morning.  Go to:

http://www.fuelwatch.com.au

It's handy as it gives you an idea what fuel prices are like in other
areas of town (subsequently if you have to drive through several
suburbs, you get an idea where the cheapest fuel is).

As far as I know, it only does Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne.

Fuel took a dabble in the high 60's last week, but it's back into the
70's...70.7c/L is the cheapest here at the moment.

AC

Jane ONeill wrote:
> 
> "mini-chase"??????
> all 414kms of it.... (thank goodness petrol was <80c a litre)
> 
> I'll upload my pics when I manage to get them off the digital cam.  I
> ended up further south than Robert while hunting an embedded Cb (nothing
> like winter for getting in some practice) - found it & got melted hail
> in the process, a 10-20 & a temperature of 9.2C,  so I was quite
> pleased.  Found a couple of good lookouts & SCD met 10 calves - I'm not
> quite sure who was the most bemused... Cadence or the calves......
> 
> Not much of a chase report but there'll be some nice pics (structure &
> sunsets) whe I manage to retrieve them
> 
> Jane
> --------------------------------
> Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> 
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> http://www.stormchasers.au.com
> 
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> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
> --------------------------------
> 
> >
> > Hey all
> >
> > Thanks to info from Jane, I managed to go on a little chase out
> Ballarat
> > way yesterday.  Here's what I saw:
> >
> > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_07_01/today.html
> > (yes, I saw a webpage :)
> >
> > There was some cumulus congestus around which started to beef up a bit
> > more around sunset.  Managed to drive through some small hail as well.
> > In all it's not really that spectacular, but better than nothing, and
> it
> > enabled me to test out my camcorder.  The uploaded images are perhaps
> a
> > bit too big as you can see the pixels, but I'll improve that next time
> > 'round.
> >
> > I've also put Melbourne's local radar for yesterday up on the page.
> >
> > I'll be interested to see any snaps Jane took.
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > --
> >
> > Robert A. Goler
> >
> > Department of Mathematics and Statistics
> > Monash University
> > Clayton, Vic 3800
> > Australia
> >
> > ph. +61 3 9905 4424
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> Fuel took a dabble in the high 60's last week, but it's back into the
> 70's...70.7c/L is the cheapest here at the moment.

Wow, thats cheap. Could you ship a tanker load of the stuff over here???

Les

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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Morning all,

I think this aviation forecast for Victoria is worth sharing with all of the
discussion about the models going backwards & forwards....
and in particular note the forecast position of the upper low .... UPPER LOW
FORECAST NEAR 37S140E 05Z, 36S141E 11Z
Leading edge of the cloudband was visible just to the west of Melbourne at
6am.


22:04 UTC, 04/07/2001
AMEND AREA FORECAST 042215 TO 051100 AREAS 30/32

AMD OVERVIEW:
 FRONT FORECAST NEAR MILDURA/MT. GAMBIER 23Z, HAY/PORTLAND 05Z, TOCUMWAL /
WARRNAMBOOL 11Z. UPPER LOW FORECAST NEAR 37S140E 05Z, 36S141E 11Z. FOG
PATCHES EASTERN LAND TILL 02Z. RAIN AREAS WITHIN  ABOUT 100NM OF FRONT.
ISOLATED THUNDERSTORMS W OF FRONT AFTER 04Z,  MAINLY IN N. SCATTERED SHOWERS
W OF FRONT WITH ISOLATED SHOWERS  DEVELOPING REST. LOW CLOUD IN PRECIP.

AMD WIND:
10000                    14000                 18500
010/20 MS07      010/25 MS15        360/30 MS26
REMARKS: WINDS BLW 7000 TENDING 310 DEGREES W OF FRONT, BUT WINDS ALL LEVELS
TENDING CLOCKWISE DIRECTION NEAR LOW AFTER 05Z.

AMD CLOUD:
 ISOL CB 3000/25000 W OF FRONT AFTER 04Z, MAINLY IN N.   SCT ST 1000/3000 IN
PRECIP, BKN ABOUT WINDWARD RANGES AND IN HEAVIER PRECIP. SCT CU 3000/15000
NEAR AND W OF FRONT, BKN NEAR SHRA/TSRA  SCT CU 3000/10000 DEVELOPING REST.
AREAS OF BKN SC 3000/8000 IN RA.
 SCT ACAS ABV 10000, BKN NEAR FRONT.

<snip>

FREEZING LEVEL:
 7500 DEC 5000 W OF FRONT.

<snip>

Jane
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Interesting. There is quite a large CB to my SW, probably near the coast out
to sea. Over the mountains there is CJ's strectching right across the
horizon. Most of the cloud on the satpic is high cloud, but interesting none
the less :)
We had a 35.7mm last night here ( at  cranebrook) from the slow moving shower
cell. It was the first drop of rain we have had in near two months.

daniel

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> Hi all,
>
> Sat pic looks rather interesting for Sydney and a bit west, further
> north towards SE QLD.  More so for Sydney though, what are people's
> thoughts?  I was a little surprised they went for showers, the sounding
> is very impressive the freezing level is at 800mb, 500mb temp is
> -26C(!!!) and -43C 365mb before a small inversion, -46C  at  300mb though.
> If it gets to 16/9 (PBL averaged DP) it's unstable to 390mb in Sydney,
> the max temp forecast is 18C.  Looking at radar there appears to be
> strong showers/storms out to sea at the moment, some of them pulsing
> into the pink.  I realise there'll be a weak trough out to sea and that
> will act as a trigger in the wrong place, but is there a possibility of
> something over land later this arvo for Sydney???
>
> Of a little less interest, the sat pic wasn't quite what I was expecting
> for us in SE QLD!  The air is very cold, but there's a significant
> inversion just below 500mb, -17C  at  520mb, but -14C from 500mb to 420mb!
> -34C at 300mb though.  The BoM are going for local thunder on the border
> ranges - there were some weak Cbs and large showers yesterday.  The air
> over us however will get colder as this upper trough continues to
> amplify somewhat.  This is going to be a wild card - we could see some
> hailstorms if the cold air gets here in time, the 400mb temps are
> looking to drop from -18C to -28C according to AVN!
>
> Something to keep an eye on though...
>
> AC
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Hi David and all.
While the models are showing dramatic swings, my barometer is showing a slow
and steady fall, which in the old days was said to foretell 'Long notice,
long last. Short notice soon past!'. Well this one is showing Long notice,we
should treat models as sophisticated barometers and then keep looking at the
sky. best wishes Clyve H.
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> The damn models have done it again with the coming low system for SE
> Australia, and decided to change quite considerably from yesterdays runs.
> Instead of an intense low developing near central Victoria, with
widespread
> sub 540 thickness values over the Victorian highlands/NSW (read heavy
snow),
> they are now spinning up a much warmer low further north and east, to lie
> near the Southern NSW coast on Saturday/Sunday. The rather dramatic swings
> back and forth in the model predictions over recent days, suggests that
much
> uncertainty exists in what exactly will happen over the weekend for those
in
> the SE.... I guess the only safe bet is that some parts of the area will
be
> subject to heavy rain, while most areas will be subject to strong winds.
As
> for snow this could make the season, or leave us skiers waiting for the
next
> system to fire things up......
>
> Cheers,
>
> David.
>
>
> Dr David Jones
>
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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:35:41 +1000
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Hi Phil.
Amazing! and I thought my total of 177mm in April here at Leopold was
something to brag about.regards Clyve H.
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> Jimmy, we beat Schofields by 1080.8 mm!  Our total here for June was
> 1083.6 mm, the highest on record.
> The summary for this month is at
> http://www2.info.gov.hk/hko/wxinfo/pastwx/monthly.htm
> and as this was a month for superlatives you have to scroll a long way.
> And now we are under Typhoon Utor whose centre is 620 Km ESE of here but
> whose winds and rain have already arrived.
>
> Phil
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> From: Jimmy Deguara <jdeguara at ihug.com.au>
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Date: Tue, 03 Jul 2001 18:21:25 +1000
> Subject: aus-wx: Total rainfall for Schofields.
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > The rainfall at Schofields has totalled 2.8mm for the month of June.
> > Certainly the driest June I have recorded since my records began in
> > 1987.
> > We'll see what July holds.
> >
> > -----------------------------------------
> > Jimmy Deguara
> > Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
> >
> > from
> > Schofields, Sydney
> > NSW Australia
> >
> > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au
> >
> > Web Page with Michael Bath
> >
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I wouldn't write this system off yet. It still does have potential for some good
snowfalls. I always had doubts about the low N of NZ moving SW and joining with
the low approaching from the west I think this was the reason why the models
were so optimistic yesterday but today as more data became available they sort
of back off a little bit.

Nevertheless it will be interesting to watch what will unfold in the next 24-48
hours.

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>
> > The damn models have done it again with the coming low system for SE
> > Australia, and decided to change quite considerably from yesterdays runs.
> > Instead of an intense low developing near central Victoria, with
> widespread
> > sub 540 thickness values over the Victorian highlands/NSW (read heavy
> snow),
> > they are now spinning up a much warmer low further north and east, to lie
> > near the Southern NSW coast on Saturday/Sunday. The rather dramatic swings
> > back and forth in the model predictions over recent days, suggests that
> much
> > uncertainty exists in what exactly will happen over the weekend for those
> in
> > the SE.... I guess the only safe bet is that some parts of the area will
> be
> > subject to heavy rain, while most areas will be subject to strong winds.
> As
> > for snow this could make the season, or leave us skiers waiting for the
> next
> > system to fire things up......
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > David.
> >
> >
> > Dr David Jones
> >
> > Climate Analysis Section
> > National Climate Centre
> > Bureau of Meteorology      Fax      : (+61 3) 9669 4678
> > GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne   Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4861
> > Victoria 3001, Australia   Ph (home): (+61 3) 9849 1646
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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Norfolk Island rain
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Not in Hong Kong league, but Norfolk Island notched up 108mm for the 24 hrs
to 9am this morning. Its heaviest July day total in 106 years has been
157mm.  The low is still close by, with the airport barometer reading 993.9
at 9am.

Laurier

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From: "Mark Hardy" <mhardy at magna.com.au>
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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 12:33:59 +1000
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Ah gregski, you do get around. :)

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I wouldn't write this system off yet. It still does have potential for
some good snowfalls. I always had doubts about the low N of NZ moving SW
and joining with the low approaching from the west I think this was the
reason why the models were so optimistic yesterday but today as more
data became available they sort of back off a little bit.

Nevertheless it will be interesting to watch what will unfold in the
next 24-48 hours.

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That's right, Jane. It appears, though, that the JMA engineers are
fine-tuning the new configuration somewhat, as the four main synoptic hour
scans (2330, 0530, 1130 and 1730) are now going farther south than the
stated 49 degrees -- the 2330z images today go down to about 57S in east
Australian longitudes. The engineering problem has been lubrication buildup
at the southern extreme of the scanner, so presumably JMA is working out the
best compromise between getting the best coverage and minimising potential
problems on the southern end of the scan.

In addition to losing Southern Ocean geostationary coverage, the other big
loss is hourly southern hemisphere (i.e. Australian) coverage. The new
regime only scans our region at:

(utc)
0230
0430, 0500, 0530
0830
1030, 1100, 1130
1430
1630, 1700, 1730
2030
2230, 2300, 2330

The four clustered scans are to enable cloud movement calculations. The
following hourly pix are therefore missing: 00(30), 01, 03, 06, 07, 09, 12,
13, 15, 18, 19, 21. This makes animations (like those at
http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/gms5ir.html) a bit of a problem, while the
satellite derived winds from
http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real-time/shemi/winds/winds.html ceased
working after the change late yesterday morning.

GMS-5 is still doing hourly scans down as far as the equator. GOES-8 gives
hourly images west to include New Zealand, while the IndoEx satellite is
good east to about the WA/SA border (best images are from
http://www.sat.dundee.ac.uk/pdus.html -- hourly and available very quickly,
but full globe). That leaves the eastern half of Australia, the Antarctic
and the Arctic as the only parts of the globe without hourly coverage.

Laurier


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> Sent: Wednesday, 04 July, 2001 10:54 PM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Satellite images
>
>
> ahem...and 30secs after I hit 'Send' i worked out the answer to my own
> question <g> - the area that is cut off shows the limits of GMS-5
> doesn't it?
>
> Roll on the low to the west.....pleased to see that vectoring from the
> JCU satellite loop works a treat <g> - that low is going to land in
> western Victoria I think........lightning to the west - the lightning
> detector is on!!
> ftp://ftp.jcu.edu.au/JCUMetSat/ausmovie.gif
>
> Jane
>
>
> > Can someone tell me why the satpics are cut off south of Australia but
> > not anywhere else in the southern hemisphere????
> >
> >
> > http://kauai.nrlmry.navy.mil/archdat/global/stitched/ir/LATEST.jpg
> >
> > Jane
> >
> > --------------------------------
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> > cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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There has been an _unconfirmed_ report of snow falling in the Grampians in
Western VIC.
Lookout Hill AWS indicates temperature of about +1 (at 900m) so I would think
that this is quite possible.

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From: "Tina Jones" <bjones14 at postoffice.csu.edu.au>
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Did you get that info from the SnoInfo forum?
Tina :-)
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> There has been an _unconfirmed_ report of snow falling in the Grampians in
> Western VIC.
> Lookout Hill AWS indicates temperature of about +1 (at 900m) so I would
think
> that this is quite possible.
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Yes. It was posted by Bigaus. A friend currently over there SMSed him.

Tina Jones wrote:

> Did you get that info from the SnoInfo forum?
> Tina :-)

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Hi All.

The following are emails from Phil in Hong Kong I have forwarded to the
list. The internet there is bogged down with traffic as I indicated it
probably would be yesterday.

Will forward whatever Phil gets through to me.

It is probably quicker to use the links for latest info on my page at
http://users.ace-net.com.au/~carls/current.htm rather than Phil's at the
moment.

Regards,
Carl.

Yep.  Here she comes.
The pressure in Shatin has dropped from 1003 to 989.
We have had the 33C plus temperatures over midnight in most of HK and the
cloud bands have been passing over an otherwise clear but hazy sky.
The centre is still 620 Km ESE of here, but the winds have been picking
up all night.

Phil
<><
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Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672

Just changed the page to show signal 3:
============================
Typhoon Signal Number 3 (Strong Winds) was hoisted at 10:45 on 5th July
2001.
===========================
The HKO site is utterly unreachable from HK and WXHK is not much better.
It rolled over its 10 millionth hit after 1900 yesterday and early this
morning had added on more than 69000 more since then.  Leaves your site
and mine behind in the dust!
Went for a long walk this morning and couldn't get back home as the sea
level had risen so high that the footpath and cycleway were underwater so
I had to clamber up onto the road bridge and risk my neck amongst the
traffic.
Tomorrow morning's high spring tide with the storm surge added should be
a rare sight.  I'm glad my flat is on the fourth floor.
Cannot get onto the Forum at present, server overloaded.
Gusty here and bands of high level cloud going over frequently with clear
blue skies in between.  You can feel it picking up.
I am going out to work now and might well be sent fleeing for home by a
number 8 signal before I finish.
Will attempt to update you later.
I won't get time to send this to Aussie weather so you might forward on
whatever I get through to you.
seeyer.

Phil
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Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 16:40:29 +1000
From: Anthony Cornelius <cyclone at bigpond.net.au>
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Hi all,

Excuse the ignorance here (can you tell I'm a Brisbanite?)  I'm going to
Armidale for a few days tomorrow, and I was wondering about two things:

a) Do I need to add anti-freeze to the radiator
b) Anti-freeze to the wiper washer fluid?

If so - what type of anti-freeze, and how much do I put in?

Thanks!

-- 
Anthony Cornelius
Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the 
Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA)
(07) 3390 4812
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Hi Anthony,

I would definitely be putting anti freeze in to go to Armidale at this time
of year, especially in the next few days!  Just go to the servo & buy some &
follow the directions on the container.  You will probably need the largest
size (5L?) depending on what size engine/radiator you have.

I wouldn't worry about the washer water, anti freeze is probably not very
friendly to paint!  Although I've been told metho may work, not that I would
try it!

Have a safe trip!

Tina :-)
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Subject: aus-wx: Cold Weather and Cars...


> Hi all,
>
> Excuse the ignorance here (can you tell I'm a Brisbanite?)  I'm going to
> Armidale for a few days tomorrow, and I was wondering about two things:
>
> a) Do I need to add anti-freeze to the radiator
> b) Anti-freeze to the wiper washer fluid?
>
> If so - what type of anti-freeze, and how much do I put in?
>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Anthony Cornelius
> Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the
> Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA)
> (07) 3390 4812
> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Dear Anthony,

a) If your radiator water does not look like water (ie is a blue/green or
rusty colour), it prob. has coolant in it which doubles as anti-freeze. Be
careful with antifreeze preparations as they can damage your radiator.

b) Just add a little liquid detergent to your wiper fluid- sparkling
windscreen & no ice formation.\

George
Blackheath, NSW

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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: OFFTOPIC: Neale the Great White Shark
Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 20:37:25 +1000
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Weather lovers are usually curious about anything nature. So you may enjoy
this one.

The CSIRO has tagged a great white shark dubbed Neale.

http://www.marine.csiro.au/mumeez/sharks/

The surprising thing is just how much coastline Neale has covered.

Michael Thompson
http://ozthunder.com


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Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 20:42:18 +1000
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True im a fisherman more than a weatherwatcher (DONT FLAME ME ) and i
thought it was amazing :)
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> Weather lovers are usually curious about anything nature. So you may enjoy
> this one.
>
> The CSIRO has tagged a great white shark dubbed Neale.
>
> http://www.marine.csiro.au/mumeez/sharks/
>
> The surprising thing is just how much coastline Neale has covered.
>
> Michael Thompson
> http://ozthunder.com
>
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Evening all,

The low is up around Mildura this evening & has developed a rather
dramatic dry slot.  The major cloud band is becoming 'latitudinal' & it
looks like the Geelong area, the Otways & Gippsland might be favoured
(again) & the east of Melbourne might miss out (again)...... cloud
coming back home from NSW looks like it isn't far off being dragged into
the system...interesting couple of days ahead.

Jane


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http://www.fuelwatch.com.au/ 
now also covers Adelaide and Perth as well.



Original message from: Anthony Cornelius <cyclone at bigpond.net.au>
>
>Hi all,
>
>Slightly off topic, but this may help some people.  A group called
"Fuel
>Watch" post fuel prices up on their site, and they can also email you
>the latest fuel prices eacfh morning.  Go to:
>
>http://www.fuelwatch.com.au
>
>It's handy as it gives you an idea what fuel prices are like in other
>areas of town (subsequently if you have to drive through several
>suburbs, you get an idea where the cheapest fuel is).
>
>As far as I know, it only does Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne.
>
>Fuel took a dabble in the high 60's last week, but it's back into the
>70's...70.7c/L is the cheapest here at the moment.
>
>AC
>
>Jane ONeill wrote:
>> 
>> "mini-chase"??????
>> all 414kms of it.... (thank goodness petrol was <80c a litre)
>> 
>> I'll upload my pics when I manage to get them off the digital cam.
I
>> ended up further south than Robert while hunting an embedded Cb
(nothing
>> like winter for getting in some practice) - found it & got melted
hail
>> in the process, a 10-20 & a temperature of 9.2C,  so I was quite
>> pleased.  Found a couple of good lookouts & SCD met 10 calves - I'm
not
>> quite sure who was the most bemused... Cadence or the calves......
>> 
>> Not much of a chase report but there'll be some nice pics
(structure &
>> sunsets) whe I manage to retrieve them
>> 
>> Jane
>> --------------------------------
>> Jane ONeill - Melbourne
>> cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>> 
>> Melbourne Storm Chasers
>> http://www.stormchasers.au.com
>> 
>> ASWA - Victoria
>> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
>> --------------------------------
>> 
>> >
>> > Hey all
>> >
>> > Thanks to info from Jane, I managed to go on a little chase out
>> Ballarat
>> > way yesterday.  Here's what I saw:
>> >
>> >
http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_07_01/today.html
>> > (yes, I saw a webpage :)
>> >
>> > There was some cumulus congestus around which started to beef up
a bit
>> > more around sunset.  Managed to drive through some small hail as
well.
>> > In all it's not really that spectacular, but better than nothing,
and
>> it
>> > enabled me to test out my camcorder.  The uploaded images are
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Hi All.

Phil sent me another email, pasted below.

Regards,
Carl.

Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 20:53:21 +0800
Subject: Signal 8 now hoisted

<snip info>
While I was out working today, there were many rain bands chasing each
other over HK with increasingly strengthening winds as each band crossed
over and decreasing amounts of blue sky in between.

I left my last appointment at about 18:00 and rang Wendy's phone and
discovered she was waiting in an enormous queue for a bus right near
where I was.  The queues had swelled suddenly because the HKO had just
announced that Signal Eight would be hoisted within the next two hours.

I picked her and Victor up and decided to give the Central tunnels a miss
and go the long way round because the traffic was so heavy.  Bad choice.
Everybody else must have had the same idea because it took two hours for
a twenty-two minute drive.  The traffic striving to get home before the
hoisting of Signal Eight was so dense that the tunnel authorities
switched the lights to allow an additional tunnel to be used for going
homewards so we had three lanes North and one South.  It feels odd to
drive along freeways on the other side of the central plantation in what
is normally the oncoming traffic lane with two single lanes of opposing
traffic.
Even with the emergency extra lanes, the traffic was slowed to a crawl
and the rain just teemed down.  In fact it would have been rather
dangerous to have driven much faster anyway.  The gusts of winds were
rocking the car about and my car is only small and low - a Suzuki Swift
(called a Holden Barina in Australia, I think).  The taller cars and vans
were really swaying about.
The observatory hoisted the Typhoon Signal number Eight (North East Gale
Force Winds) at 19:30 while I was still driving home. At about 19:45 the
rain suddenly cleared and there was dead calm.  Strange how often that
happens just after the hoisting of a Gale or Hurricane Signal.
And no, it was not the eye of the storm, that was still 300 odd
kilometres away.  It just happens that you can get a completely calm spot
in between the rainbands on occasion.
Now as I type at about 20:45, the rain is still holding off, but the wind
is picking up again in gusts.
Apart from traffic chaos, I don't think the storm has caused many other
problems as yet.
JTWC, HKO, and JMA are all still predicting an extremely close approach
to HK tomorrow morning.
I shall endeavour to keep you posted.
It is extremely difficult to get onto any web-site related to weather
here at the moment.  Clarence has had 153,281 hits to his page in less
than 24 hours.

Phil
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The town of York, just to the east of Perth, recorded the third coldest
temperature ever in Western Australia yesterday (Thursday) morning, when it
got down to -6.1C. The coldest temperature ever recorded in WA is -6.7C in
Booylgoo Springs, which was on the 12th July, 1969.

Perth got down to 1.1C, its coldest for 3 years.

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From: "Lyle Pakula" <lyle at atmos.colostate.edu>
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Hi,

I know i have asked this before but recevied no reply, so i'm not sure if
maybe the message didn't get thorugh or something ;/

Anyway, it's really frustrating not having the surface obs plotted so to
pick out surface lows etc. Does anyone know of any resource, software,
anything, that could do this?

It would be much appreciated!

Thanks, Lyle


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From: "Lindsay Pearce" <violin at lisp.com.au>
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Hi all,

A little surprised to find snow on the ground in Blackheath this morning
that must have come in behind the initial rain band. I didn't think it would
get cold enough until later today/tonight/tomorrow morning.

Nice little cover. There's 5mm in the gauge this morning but I'd say about
1mm or so would have been snow. It's still around  0C at 7:15am with a nice
dusting of snow around. Hope we get some more. How did other spots fair?

Lindsay Pearce
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06/7. 7.17am 

 Snow started at 4am in Lithgow area. Awoke to see Snow on Mt 
Panorama, police scanner stated SES road crews are currently letting 
traffic through at Raglan on the outskirts of Bathurst (Great Western 
Highway). Heavy snow falls at Mt Fitzgerald between Blayney & Bathurst,
road conditions extremely dangerous. Police doing road pattrol. By the 
explanation of the police I wouldnt be suprised to see Mid Western Hwy 
closed soon. Also reports of heavy snow on Mitchell Hwy between Orange 
& Bathurst. SES now doing road patrol of Great Western Hwy at Frying Pan 
creek, Yetholme, snow on ground and very slippery. If anyone has UHF CB, 
tune to CH 40. Many updates been broadcast by trucks. 

7.15am, all traffic on Great Western Hwy is currently moving, SES have
stated roads very bad, traffic should not be flowing near Sunny Corner. 

http://www.hotkey.net.au/~davidkc/snowreports.html Please see this page
for road reports.  I will be at work from 9am, I will update via emails.

Dave
Bathurst
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Dear All

As I have only been in Sydney for about 3 years I'm unsure of the long term
weather patterns or records. Has there ever been any reported case of snow
in SYdney or inner suburbs? Or is it just a myth?? What abour sleet? I guy
here reckons that we could get sleet in Sydney, but I don't think he's very
well informed. Whats everyones thoughts??

Simon

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7.30am  

Abercrombie rd - from Oberon to Black Springs is closed, worst spots
are 5km N of Black Springs, grader is being used at this time. 

Mid Western Hwy is open - between Bathurst and Blayney. 
Road open from Orange & Blayney. 

Road conditions reported icey and dangerous on Great Western Hwy, 
possible road closing later on. SES & Police patrolling roads and 
traffic.  

Dave 
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Hello all,

How about 1836?

Reported snow on the ground in Sydney 27th-28th June and 3rd, 5th July 1836.

Nice piece of trivia for you...

While we're at it...

...in 1900 - unprecedented snow falls in NSW central districts. Nearly a
metre of snow at Bathurst and Forbes had its first reported snowstorm since
people settled there.

Are we going to better this one at Bathurst?

Anyone else have access to other NSW snow facts?

Sel.
QLD


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>
>As I have only been in Sydney for about 3 years I'm unsure of the long term
>weather patterns or records. Has there ever been any reported case of snow
>in SYdney or inner suburbs? Or is it just a myth?? What abour sleet? I guy
>here reckons that we could get sleet in Sydney, but I don't think he's very
>well informed. Whats everyones thoughts??
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Reports of heavy snow in Oberon, power outages in this area with power
lines down. Approx 4 inches of snow in Oberon.  Black Springs, Burraga
areas will possibly be off most of day.. Light snow been falling which is
still hanging of lines.  A crew of 10 in Oberon/Black Springs repairing
damage. Staff also from Bathurst travelling to Oberon.

Will keep updating during day, I dont think we have seen the worst of it
yet.. !!

Dave

Bathurst
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Hello all,

How about 1836?

Reported snow on the ground in Sydney 27th-28th June and 3rd, 5th July
1836.

Nice piece of trivia for you...

While we're at it...

...in 1900 - unprecedented snow falls in NSW central districts. Nearly a
metre of snow at Bathurst and Forbes had its first reported snowstorm since
people settled there.

Are we going to better this one at Bathurst?

Anyone else have access to other NSW snow facts?

Sel.
QLD


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>here reckons that we could get sleet in Sydney, but I don't think he's
very
>well informed. Whats everyones thoughts??
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Hi all,

Just a few scans of a sunset-lit Cb around Sydney on Tuesday afternoon.

http://home.iprimus.com.au/meso/030701/



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Hi Simon.

I have seen sleet in Hornsby, 'bout 6 years ago now, but I recall it being
an occassional occurrence every couple of years or so, partly due to the
200m elevation.

John.

Dear All

As I have only been in Sydney for about 3 years I'm unsure of the long term
weather patterns or records. Has there ever been any reported case of snow
in SYdney or inner suburbs? Or is it just a myth?? What abour sleet? I guy
here reckons that we could get sleet in Sydney, but I don't think he's very
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Subject: aus-wx: Oberon - Sydney, Duckmaloi Rd,Hampden Rd
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9.50am 06/7.

Another update for Oberon..  4 trucks jacknifed on the Duckmaloi Rd between
Oberon & Sydney.. possible 2 hrs before road clear.

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Subject: aus-wx: WEATHER: Storms off NSW Coast
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Good morning,

I am surprised that nobody has mentioned the line of fairly
active thunderstorms just off the entire length of the NSW coast.
The leading edge of the upper-level cold pool is overspreading 
warm SSTs (~20 C) here, resulting in the best electric show that we've 
had for weeks (months?).  The SSY (upstream) sounding is moist adiabatic
up to the tropopause around 350 hPa.  Putting a 20/20 optimistic 
surface parcel (assumed in equilibrium with the average SSTs) under
that profile delivers a fair amount of CAPE, possibly several
thousand J/kg using eyeball technology.  Flow aloft is moderate,
not entirely excluding an isolated embedded supercell in that line.

Cheers,  Harald
 
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<x-flowed>
Dave,

Thanks for your road info.

There is a major search and rescue exercise being conducted in the 
Abercrombie National Park this weekend (involving several hundred people).

Your road info is being passed on to the organisers...

In conditions such as these, there is a definite risk that the training 
exercise may become the real thing!!!

Cheers,

Patrick


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>Abercrombie rd - from Oberon to Black Springs is closed, worst spots
>are 5km N of Black Springs, grader is being used at this time.
>
>Mid Western Hwy is open - between Bathurst and Blayney.
>Road open from Orange & Blayney.
>
>Road conditions reported icey and dangerous on Great Western Hwy,
>possible road closing later on. SES & Police patrolling roads and
>traffic.
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Also a nice dusting here in Taralga. I was only a little surprised as
when I went to bed at 2:30 the rain band was comming through Bathurst
and it was 3 up there.

I've never seen this before - it's dead calm now and there's fog patches
around - usually it's blowing a gale and what not when we get snow here.

It's now overcast but dry - mostly Alto Stratus.

Andrew.


Lindsay Pearce wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> A little surprised to find snow on the ground in Blackheath this morning
> that must have come in behind the initial rain band. I didn't think it would
> get cold enough until later today/tonight/tomorrow morning.
> 
> Nice little cover. There's 5mm in the gauge this morning but I'd say about
> 1mm or so would have been snow. It's still around  0C at 7:15am with a nice
> dusting of snow around. Hope we get some more. How did other spots fair?
> 
> Lindsay Pearce
> Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
> Email: violin at lisp.com.au
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An impressive view of the system at
http://www.rss.dola.wa.gov.au/newsite/noaaql/2001/JUL/04/M16_4030ql.jpg

As noted earlier, GMS has ceased to exist south of 49S. Murphy tells me that
this means exciting developments in that area all winter.

Laurier


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> SWA issued for SA at 4.10pm. It's on its way :-)
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Lyle,

I've used Tim Vasquez's Digital Atmosphere for several years and believe
it's the best. Details at http://www.weathergraphics.com/

You use data from Florida State University and several other sites, and can
have a plotted, analysed map ready ~20 mins after obs time.

Laurier

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>
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> Hi,
>
> I know i have asked this before but recevied no reply, so i'm not sure if
> maybe the message didn't get thorugh or something ;/
>
> Anyway, it's really frustrating not having the surface obs plotted so to
> pick out surface lows etc. Does anyone know of any resource, software,
> anything, that could do this?
>
> It would be much appreciated!
>
> Thanks, Lyle
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I remember sleet at school at Kingsgrove a few times as a kid in the
1963-1966 time period.

Peter C

Sel Kerans wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> How about 1836?
> 
> Reported snow on the ground in Sydney 27th-28th June and 3rd, 5th July 1836.
> 
> Nice piece of trivia for you...
> 
> While we're at it...
> 
> ...in 1900 - unprecedented snow falls in NSW central districts. Nearly a
> metre of snow at Bathurst and Forbes had its first reported snowstorm since
> people settled there.
> 
> Are we going to better this one at Bathurst?
> 
> Anyone else have access to other NSW snow facts?
> 
> Sel.
> QLD
> 
> At 07:41 6/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >
> >Dear All
> >
> >As I have only been in Sydney for about 3 years I'm unsure of the long term
> >weather patterns or records. Has there ever been any reported case of snow
> >in SYdney or inner suburbs? Or is it just a myth?? What abour sleet? I guy
> >here reckons that we could get sleet in Sydney, but I don't think he's very
> >well informed. Whats everyones thoughts??
> >
> >Simon
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The models are still pretty mixed in their scenarios for the early weekend,
which is when the colder air will get farther north, if at all. The latest
EC keeps the 540 line around the Central/Northern Tablelands boundary in
NSW, though has a centre of 534 around Orange on both Friday and Sat at
12UTC. The GASP 12z run also has a centre of 534 over Orange on Friday, and
pushes the 540 boundary towards the Qld border, but slackens it all off by
12z Sat.

Both US models are pretty marginal for snow away from the Alps, with
thicknesses just below 540 and 850 temps just below 0. None of the models
has much rain over NSW apart from the ST and SWS -- probably at best 5 to
10mm over the Fri + Sat.

I have a gut feeling that snow and rain in this event will be determined by
small-scale issues. The way the warm, moist air is forecast to wrap around
the low that develops in Bass Strait on Sat and interacts with the cold
airmass will be the thing I'll be watching. The models are having enormous
difficulties with this low -- latest GASP (12z) has it 1002 off Gabo on Fri
night and 992 over Melbourne on Sat night, EC moves it from 1004 at 500km E
of Gabo Fri night to 997 on Mt Gambier Sat night!!! Yesterday's MRF simply
has a trough on Fri from a central Tasman low to Bass Strait, but develops
this explosively into a 990hPa low of the E Gippsland coast Sat morning, and
keeps it there, slowly decaying through to +144hrs on Monday morning. From
all this, I suspect that the developments in the area are a bit too dynamic
for the models to be comfortable with, hence the variation, though obviously
a major development is now highly likely.

Whatever happens, it should relieve SDS for a few days.

Laurier


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>
>
> Hi Winter Weather Watchers,
>
> I think the chance of some seriously heavy *rain* is very likely
> but only in
> the inital stages. Climatoligically, this is a really good time
> for snow and
> bombs so I think whatever the models are saying is maybe a bit
> biased - due
> to obs or model error? Who knows but i'm going with climo on this
> and saying
> it will initially bring some rain and then heavy, heavy snow.
> However, there
> is some indiciation of this too, the models over the last two days are now
> increasing the penetration of the initial cold air from the front
> currently
> entering the bight and systems like this typical place their coldest air
> (pot temp) just above the surface extending verticaly, so thickness values
> of 540 would also include the lower level warmth. If NOGAPS comes through,
> the central mountains will be hit real hard.
>
> The movement of the low really is the big issue, as Laurier
> pointed out, the
> models differ on placment, intensification and propagation. I hope for all
> you back at home and my boarding buddies that this comes through
> to give the
> season a real boost! Though i can't look at too many oz charts,
> it's a chase
> day in E Wyo :)
>
> Cheers, Lyle
>
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Worst ?  -  my foot - you are salivating !

Peter C

davidkc at advanceenergy.com.au wrote:
> 
> Reports of heavy snow in Oberon, power outages in this area with power
> lines down. Approx 4 inches of snow in Oberon.  Black Springs, Burraga
> areas will possibly be off most of day.. Light snow been falling which is
> still hanging of lines.  A crew of 10 in Oberon/Black Springs repairing
> damage. Staff also from Bathurst travelling to Oberon.
> 
> Will keep updating during day, I dont think we have seen the worst of it
> yet.. !!
> 
> Dave
> 
> Bathurst
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> 
> Hello all,
> 
> How about 1836?
> 
> Reported snow on the ground in Sydney 27th-28th June and 3rd, 5th July
> 1836.
> 
> Nice piece of trivia for you...
> 
> While we're at it...
> 
> ...in 1900 - unprecedented snow falls in NSW central districts. Nearly a
> metre of snow at Bathurst and Forbes had its first reported snowstorm since
> people settled there.
> 
> Are we going to better this one at Bathurst?
> 
> Anyone else have access to other NSW snow facts?
> 
> Sel.
> QLD
> 
> At 07:41 6/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >
> >Dear All
> >
> >As I have only been in Sydney for about 3 years I'm unsure of the long
> term
> >weather patterns or records. Has there ever been any reported case of snow
> >in SYdney or inner suburbs? Or is it just a myth?? What abour sleet? I guy
> >here reckons that we could get sleet in Sydney, but I don't think he's
> very
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> >
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Hi all.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT size=3>Just been checking the ACT forecast 
for the next few days and headlining&nbsp;the brief is</FONT> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT>Thursday :&nbsp; <FONT color=#ff0000><U><STRONG>Late 
showers/thunderstorms</STRONG></U></FONT><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
Min:&nbsp; -1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Max:&nbsp; 11 <BR>Friday&nbsp;&nbsp; :&nbsp; 
Showers, 
windy&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
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Min:&nbsp; 3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Max:&nbsp; 10</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>That thursday forecast (i modified it) is something that i 
usually see in the summer months after the temp for the day is around 27*c NOT 
11*c :).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>AND THIS:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>SITUATION:<BR>A high pressure system is situated over NSW but is gradually 
weakening as a<BR>strong cold front moves across the Bight.&nbsp; Tomorrow is 
expected to be fine after<BR>morning frosts and fogs with increasing cloud on 
Thursday with showers and<BR>possible thunderstorms later. Snow falls down to 
800 m on the ACT ranges<BR>developing Thursday night. Friday and Saturday are 
expected to be cold and windy<BR>with some showers.<BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Also checking out snow-forcast and it shows the freezing 
level of around 1200m (to the west)&nbsp;and 1300m (to the east)&nbsp;by 12am 
thursday&nbsp;i would suspect it to be slightly colder during thursday as the 
level moves across canberra from the west and we may even get <FONT 
color=#800000>sleet</FONT> but we tend to get alot of that so im not that 
excited. but lets hope the storms happen, if they do i will try to get photos 
but im working till midnight (like normal). hopefully they will be late, real 
late so i get some night shots!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Cheers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Simon Angell</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Temp 0.1*c, Weatherzone shows 1.8*c</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>(im about 25 to 30Kms away for canberra AWS)</FONT></DIV>
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Hi Lyle and all,


I have put this up before.  Digital Atmosphere from Tim Vasquez at
Weather Graphics Technologies is what you need, in fact, all you
people on the group should be using it, nothing else comes close to
doing a decent job.

Download it at the links below.  You can use it for a month fully
functional.  The price is very reasonable for what it is.  I started
using it about 2 years ago, registered it, when it was Version 2.3.3,
upgraded last year when Tim released Version 2000, and a major
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I am sweating on Tim - how soon ?).

Regards
Peter C

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         (Thursday July 5) -- I have just returned from a 10-day trip
         to California and Oregon and am
         catching up on 4 days worth of support requests and sales orders.
         I should be all caught up within 24 hours.  Our 1-800 number
         will also re-open tomorrow morning.
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                   <td><a href="storms.jpg"><img src="stormsx.jpg" border=0></a><br>
                   <font size=-1><i>Big storms moving through central Oklahoma
                   on May 20.</i></font>
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                   <font face="Arial, sans-serif" size=6>
                     <b>Summer 2001: What's in store</b>
                   </font>
                   <br>
                   (6/19/01) -- It is now summer here in Oklahoma and temperatures
                   have been touching 90 every day.  However I have to complain quite
                   a bit about the enormous pollen levels that haven't subsided from
                   the spring months.  I guess that's what we get for enjoying a
                   mild, wet winter!
                   <br><b>Digital Atmosphere</b>:
                   Full scale Digital Atmosphere programming work is
                   set to resume starting July 8.  The past several months have been extremely
                   busy as I've been providing storm forecasting services and finishing
                   a flood warning system for NOAA
                   (<a href="http://ams.confex.com/ams/30radar/30radar/abstracts/21960.htm">QIWI</a>).
                   I apologize for not being more active on the message board and
                   newsgroups, since those projects have kept me very busy.
                   In the meantime I appreciate all of the
                   comments, letters, and suggestions that I've received
                   from Digital Atmosphere 2000 users over the past
                   six months.  Each and every one of them has been saved and will
                   be used thoroughly to create the next upgrade.  The upgrade will
                   definitely be free to all registered Digital Atmosphere 2000 users,
                   so there's no reason not to register if you enjoy the program!
                   By the way, an excellent online version of the Digital Atmosphere
                   help file is now available on our
                   <a href="da/doc/">documentation page</a>!  It's exactly the same
                   as what's packaged with the software.
                   <br><b>Digital Atmosphere for Mac OS</b>:
                   Work is progressing rapidly on a
                   <a href="mac/">Macintosh version of Digital Atmosphere</a>.
                   Expected beta test start date is still on schedule for approximately
                   June 23.  Some news has been added to the page this week, so you
                   may want to check it out.  The Mac version is expected to be nearly identical to
                   the Windows version.
                   <br><b>Weathergraphs</b>:
                   The Weathergraphs have been out of stock for over a month and
                   there are a few dozen people waiting on their copies.  I plan to deliver
                   a large batch of Weathergraphs to Dallas this weekend and they'll be
                   shipped the following Monday.
                   <br><b>Weatherwise article</b>:
                   I am writing a column in
                   <a href="http://www.weatherwise.org/"><i>Weatherwise</i></a>
                   magazine starting in the July/August issue called
                   "You Be The Forecaster".  This will give you a chance to
                   try your hand at analyzing weather maps for fronts and weather
                   systems and compare it to a solved map.  Unfortunately as part
                   of the contract I could only get two half-page panels for each
                   part of the article, but the article will have an official
                   site located on my
                   <a href="maps/">You Be The Forecaster page</a> which will
                   have content that I couldn't fit into the magazine.  Enjoy!
                   <br><i>-- Tim Vasquez</i>

                   <br><br>


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                   <br>
                   (2/11/01) -- Our Digital Atmosphere FAQ has been
                   revised and updated.  As always you can find it at
                   <a href="http://www.weathergraphics.com/faq.htm">http://www.weathergraphics.com/faq.htm</a> .

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                   <br>
                   (2/10/01) -- Users of Davis weather stations (the
                   Davis Monitor II and Wizard III) will be happy to
                   hear about our new
                   <a href="meteo/index.htm">Meteogram</a> software.
                   It's <b>freeware</b> and it works in conjunction
                   with the Davis Weatherlink (PCLink4) software to
                   produce detailed graphs that can be automatically
                   upload to your web server (instructions included).
                   For more info and to download, head to our
                   <a href="meteo/index.htm">Meteogram page</a>!

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                   <br>
                   (1/22/01) -- Two items are now available for Digital
                   Atmosphere users:
                   <li>The V1.0a release of Digital Atmosphere is available:
                     <br>-- <a href="http://www.weathergraphics.com/cgi-bin/fetch.cgi?da2000.exe">
                       <b>da2000.exe</b></a> (10 MB) --
                       full and complete version.
                     <br>-- <a href="http://www.weathergraphics.com/cgi-bin/fetch.cgi?da2000p.exe">
                       <b>da2000p.exe</b></a> (1.4 MB) --
                       upgrade patch for any DA2000 version.
                     <br>What are the changes compared to the original
                       DA2000 release?  It eliminates the problem with
                       "random" screen blots reported by a few users,
                       it adds a sleep command to scripting, there
                       are numerous enhancements to the script scheduler,
                       an "Import" command for maps/images is added,
                       there is better tweaking of maps generated by
                       lat/long, better caching of basemaps (bug fixes),
                       full corrections to vorticity and divergence
                       contours, divergence is now recalibrated to
                       read in 10<sup>-6</sup> m<sup>-2</sup>,
                       a bug that prevents scripting wind grids/streamlines
                       is fixed, problems with Alt- shortcuts are fixed,
                       print capabilities are restored, and much more!

                   <li><a href="http://www.weathergraphics.com/newfaq.txt">
                     <b>Digital Atmosphere 2000 FAQ</b></a> --
                     this revised FAQ, made especially for Digital
                     Atmosphere 2000, is "required reading" for all
                     users since it's packed with great info.
                     However it's slightly outdated now since many
                     of the bugs listed in it have been fixed in
                     the new V1.0a release.
                   <li><a href="http://www.egroups.com/group/wx-software">
                     <b>WX-SOFTWARE</b></a> --
                     This group has been getting very active in the
                     past few weeks, and
                     you'll find quick solutions to most of your
                     problems here, as well as great tips and ideas
                     by other members and instant news of new upgrades.
                     There were 74 messages alone last month.
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                     <b>Digital Atmosphere 2000 released!!</b>
                   </font>
                   <br>
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                     <br><i>Weather map for midnight on the morning
                     of Digital Atmosphere 2000's debut, showing
                     photoreal terrain, NMC fonts, and imported
                     frontal positions!</i>
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                     <a href="tcsam.gif">
                     <img src="tcsamx.gif" width=300 height=223 border=0></a>
                     <br><i>Tropical cyclone Sam, 1200Z 8 Dec 2000,
                     showing impressive streamlines across northwest
                     Australia.  Thanks to Peter Creswick.
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                   <td valign=top colspan=2>
                   (12/4/00) -- After almost a year in the works,
                   Digital Atmosphere 2000, a major upgrade
                   to the longtime Digital Atmosphere software
                   series, was released on Monday, December 4.
                   To download it or get more information, head to our
                   <a href="da/index.htm"><b>Digital Atmosphere page</b></a>.
                   <br>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;

                   Among the new features are photorealistic topography,
                   plotting of sea surface data, NMC/NCEP fonts, 3-D atmosphere,
                   an EMWIN ingest engine, convective outlook imports, 
                   roaming sounding, NESDIS SATOB satellite wind imports,
                   vastly improved help, gradient fill color customization,
                   powerful scripting capability, customizable upper air plot models,
                   wind streamlines, frontal plots, a toolbox for drawing georeferenced
                   fronts and features, 1000-500 mb thickness analysis,
                   enhancements for the EMWIN datastream (including upper air import),
                   mapmaking enhancements, improved isentropic analysis, and more!
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                   (12/4/00) -- Here's the latest news to keep you
                   updated!

                   <br>* <b><u>Digital Atmosphere 2000</u></b> (DA2000)
                   has been completed and is available for downloads
                   from our
                   <a href="da/index.htm">Digital Atmosphere page</a>.
                   CD-ROMs are currently in production and will be
                   shipped to those awaiting CD copies later this week.

                   <br>*
                   <a href="fcstbook/index.htm"><b>Weather Forecasting Handbook</b></a> has
                   completed the proof stage and is being printed
                   this week.  We expect to have a large number of
                   copies shipped to us from Atlanta later this week
                   and the copies will be in stock by <b>December 5</b>.
                   This reprint is a massive update and
                   is printed as a 7 x 10" book
                   with true binding, color cover, and offset print quality,
                   numbering 166 pp.  The price will remain the same.
                   News will be posted here when it starts shipping.
                   Orders are being accepted.

                   <br>* <b><u>We're gearing up for holiday sales</u></b> and
                   stocking our inventories.
                   Looking for gift ideas for
                   a weather buff?
                   We recommend one of four items:
                   the chart
                   <a href="wg/index.htm">Weathergraph</a>,
                   the book
                   <a href="fcstbook/index.htm">Weather Forecasting Handbook</a>,
                   the video
                   <a href="video/index.htm">The Art of Storm Chasing</a>,
                   and the software program
                   <a href="da/index.htm">Digital Atmosphere</a>.
                   Use your credit card and place your online order
                   <a href="buy.htm">here</a> for quick service!
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                     <b>Global Tracks V3.1 added</b>
                   </font>
                   <br>
(8/23/00) -- Global Tracks V3.1 has been released and is available from our
<a href="gt/index.htm">Global Tracks</a> page.
It includes the following changes since the V3.0 release in July 2000:
<li>Updated direction and distance procedures.
<li>Added manual input of storm warnings
   (currently in testing phase).
<li>Added Statute Miles as an added output to all distance procedures.
<li>Added Proxy server support.
<li>Created an interface to see the historical database files.
<li>Added a feature to view only current storms in the download window.
 You can also select to download a list of past storms for the season.
<li>Added High resolution maps for various locations around the world.
<li>Added HURRCON / COR output in the tools menu.
<li>Added JPEG support.

                   <br><br>

                   <font face="Arial, sans-serif" size=6>
                     <b>New forecasting program added!</b>
                   </font>
                   <br>
                   (8/17/00) -- We are pleased to announce the addition
                   of
                   <a href="wxsim/index.htm">WXSIM</a> to our product
                   line!  This is a sophisticated single-station
                   forecasting model that offers unprecedented
                   capabilities for forecasting temperature, dewpoint,
                   clouds, and more.  It may not be the ETA model, but
                   its capabilities are impressive.
                   Head to our
                   <a href="wxsim/index.htm">WXSIM</a> page to
                   find out more.
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                   <br><br>

                   <font face="Arial, sans-serif" size=6>
                     <b>Canadian weather service begins offering radar</b>
                   </font>
                   <br>
                   (7/22/00) -- Environment Canada, which manages Canada's weather
                   data and forecasting efforts, has begun offering near-real-time
                   radar imagery from its sites across much of the nation.
                   They can be accessed at
                   <a href="http://weather.ec.gc.ca/radar/index_e.shtml">http://weather.ec.gc.ca/radar/index_e.shtml</a> .
                   The radar page represents a significant step forward in Canada's
                   policy regarding free government radar data.  Until this summer,
                   Environment Canada posted live data from only one site with
                   other sites intentionally delayed by several hours.

                   <br><br>


                   <font face="Arial, sans-serif" size=6>
                     <b>NEW ITEM: 1996-1999 Surface Data!</b>
                   </font>
                   <br>
                   Have you wanted to look at detailed surface charts
                   during the past few years but forgot to capture
                   the data?
                   Our new 1996-1999 CD-ROM contains almost 3000 megs of
                   original METAR reports (including remarks).  The disc
                   covers 9/96 to 12/99.  Since this data is collected from
                   our archives, we can't guarantee you'll find the
                   data you need: much of 1996 and 1997 set contains
                   the Southern Plains only (1998 and 1999 are complete
                   U.S. including AK and HI), and the disc has about 50%
                   probability of
                   containing data for a given time (we didn't capture all
                   time periods).  Check before you buy -- a full
                   breakdown of available times can be found
                   <a href="9699/contents.txt">here</a>.
                   A sample file for 4/23/99 at 17Z is
                   <a href="9699/990423.17z">here</a>.
                   The data is readily
                   importable into Digital Atmosphere, WeatherGraphix,
                   and other analysis programs for excellent maps.
                   The disc is only $49.95.  To order it,
                   use our
                   <a href="buy.htm">secure server</a> or call
                   us at (888) 388-0070.
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              <li><a href="text/radar.htm">Weird radar identifiers</a> --
                so why is Tulsa's radar INX and Los Angeles' radar
                VTX?  This article explains it all!

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              <li><a href="text/spyware.htm">Spyware</a> --
                chances are you have spyware on your computer.  We did.
                Find out more about it, how to remove it, and how the
                removal could speed up your Internet connection.

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              <li><a href="text/pcgridds.htm">Tim vs. PCGRIDDS</a> --
                notes and comments about painstaking efforts to tame an
                interesting NWS model viewer.

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              <li><a href="wxcode1.gif">Weather Symbol Reference Sheet</a> --
                summarizes all those symbols you see plotted in weather
                maps.  Also see the sheet for
                <a href="wxcode2.gif">cloud symbols</a>.
                Both are extracted from our
                <a href="wg">Weathergraph</a> chart.

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              <li><a href="text/internet.htm">Tim's Internet Picks</a> --
                Tired of weather?  Take a look at these interesting
                links.

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              <li><a href="text/sfd.htm">Reading a forecast discussion</a> --
                ever wanted to know how to read a SFD but weren't
                sure what it all meant?  Learn here.

              <hr size=1>

              <li><a href="station.htm">Weather Station Identifiers</a> --
                a great resource for finding out more about weather
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From: "Dave Ellem" <stormboy2003 at hotmail.com>
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: aus-wx: Possible Funnel Sighting in NE NSW
Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 12:03:43 +1000
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Hi Everyone,
I climbed up on the roof earlier to look for cb's off the coast. No luck in 
that sense, but when I turned around to look to the WNW, this is what I saw:
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0706de01.jpg
Fortuenatley I took my digi up on the roof with me. I got one quick pic, and 
raced downstairs to let Michael Bath know on ICQ as he has pretty much the 
same view as me, and by the time I had gotten outside for another pic it had 
disappated to this:
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0706de02.jpg
These photos were taken around 11.30am. The strange thing is that the funnel 
is attached to quite a small cloud. Although a fair way away, there was no 
real rotation obsevered. MB said he saw another one that didn't look to 
convincing to the right of this one a few minutes later. Anyone got any idea 
of what may have caused this very sus looking cloud?
Thanks


Dave Ellem
Wollongbar,
Northern Rivers,
NE NSW

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Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 11:52:00 +1000
From: Matthew Smith <tornado at kooee.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: WEATHER: Storms off NSW Coast
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Hi Harold and everyone

I saw these early this morning off the coast, and on AM radio there was static
every 3-5 seconds off Newcastle... Wish I had gotten up before daylight to see
the show...
I will be up in Armidale with a few other QLD and NSW people over the weekend,
hoping for some snow overnight tonight and tomorrow morning to make the drive
more interesting.

Matt Smith
http://www.sydneystormchasers.com

Harald Richter wrote:

> Good morning,
>
> I am surprised that nobody has mentioned the line of fairly
> active thunderstorms just off the entire length of the NSW coast.
> The leading edge of the upper-level cold pool is overspreading
> warm SSTs (~20 C) here, resulting in the best electric show that we've
> had for weeks (months?).  The SSY (upstream) sounding is moist adiabatic
> up to the tropopause around 350 hPa.  Putting a 20/20 optimistic
> surface parcel (assumed in equilibrium with the average SSTs) under
> that profile delivers a fair amount of CAPE, possibly several
> thousand J/kg using eyeball technology.  Flow aloft is moderate,
> not entirely excluding an isolated embedded supercell in that line.
>
> Cheers,  Harald
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From: SHELDON Bill <Bill.SHELDON at atsic.gov.au>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Cold Weather and Cars...
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 10:05:53 +1000
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Anthony

I lived in Armidale for 5 years, and Canada for 7.

I would definitely put (good qualtiy) anti freeze into my radiator as the
temps in Armidale regulary go below zero overnight.

You might get away with not bothering about putting anything in the window
washers, but Canadians and skiers here do - not antifreeze, but either metho
(maybe 10%)  or many washer additives will drop the freezing point
sufficiently - some specifically advertise that they do.

Cheers

Bill Sheldon

ATSIC  NHIC
(03) 9285 7244 / 0438 964756

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> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Excuse the ignorance here (can you tell I'm a Brisbanite?)  I'm going to
> Armidale for a few days tomorrow, and I was wondering about two things:
> 
> a) Do I need to add anti-freeze to the radiator
> b) Anti-freeze to the wiper washer fluid?
> 
> If so - what type of anti-freeze, and how much do I put in?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Possible Funnel Sighting in NE NSW now with CB!!
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<x-flowed>
Hi everyone,
Now a Cb has developed right over the area where the funnel was sighted:
http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0706de03.jpg
It looks like it may just slip past W of Lismore now, but I will keep you 
posted. Thunder can now be heard from the cells off the coast now as well. 
Wonderful sound to hear!!!!

Dave

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>Subject: aus-wx: Possible Funnel Sighting in NE NSW
>Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 12:03:43 +1000
>
>Hi Everyone,
>I climbed up on the roof earlier to look for cb's off the coast. No luck in
>that sense, but when I turned around to look to the WNW, this is what I 
>saw:
>http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0706de01.jpg
>Fortuenatley I took my digi up on the roof with me. I got one quick pic, 
>and
>raced downstairs to let Michael Bath know on ICQ as he has pretty much the
>same view as me, and by the time I had gotten outside for another pic it 
>had
>disappated to this:
>http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0706de02.jpg
>These photos were taken around 11.30am. The strange thing is that the 
>funnel
>is attached to quite a small cloud. Although a fair way away, there was no
>real rotation obsevered. MB said he saw another one that didn't look to
>convincing to the right of this one a few minutes later. Anyone got any 
>idea
>of what may have caused this very sus looking cloud?
>Thanks
>
>
>Dave Ellem
>Wollongbar,
>Northern Rivers,
>NE NSW
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Hi All.

Here are some more emails from Phil in Hong Kong.

Regards,
Carl.

Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 07:43:59 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>

G'day from wet HK
At 23:40 last night the HKO changed the Typhoon Signal to Eight (North
West Gale Force Winds).  Note that I now have commenced a page at
http://www.drdisk.com.hk/utor.htm which is repeating the contents of our
e-mails until I can write up a more coherent report.
During the night I didn't hear much of note except for a few crashes
which were presumably people's pot-plants that hadn't been taken in
hitting our air-con on their way to the ground.
At 22:30 it was almost calm and the river looked like a mirror - hardly a
ripple.  There were a few significant windy periods during the night but
they didn't sound like Gale force.
The sea level here is now up by one metre and the HKO is warning that it
might be up by three metres later today so all people in low-lying
villages are moving their belongings to higher floors in case of flooding.
A (live television) report from Tai Po (12 Km North West of here) at
07:20 says that winds are now gale force there and it is raining very
heavily.  Here the wind does not seem to be gale force, but the rain is
varying between a medium drizzle and really bucketing down in frequently
changing waves.
Outside my window I can see that the sea level has risen far enough to
completely flood over the fences surrounding all low lying footpaths,
cycleways and parks.  Motor roadways, however are all built to be above
any known flood levels and are several metres higher.
As the rain seems to be easing right now, I might go down to the river
bank shortly for a look.
I cannot get any HKO references on the Internet at present but an HKO
spokesman on TV just said that the winds were expected to get much worse
today and that everybody should stay indoors.
Almost all busses have been cancelled and the railways are running at
reduced headway.  All trams and the peak tram (funicular railway) are
cancelled and of course all ferry services are cancelled.  The airport is
still operating as normal, but many flights are cancelled or delayed.
All schools, offices, businesses, etc. are closed.
Now as I type at 07:41, there is only a slight breeze here in Shatin.

More later.

Phil
<><
International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk
Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672

Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 09:37:20 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>

Utor has been downgraded to a Tropical Storm by all agencies.
I have just come back from an attempted walk.  My usual exercise walk
along the bank of the Shing Mun river (tidal) is impossible this
morning.  The water level is 60 cm above the footpath and 70 cm above the
cycleway.
The watermark shows it has been 1 metre above the footpath and 110 cm
above the cycleway at some stage in the last few hours.
Weather is currently like a very heavy drizzle and just a slight breeze.
Number Eight still hoisted.
It seems from satellite pictures that Utor is shrinking very rapidly.
Looking on the map it appears to be going ashore about 100 Km East of
here.  JTWCs prediction of a direct hit looks to be a little off.

Victoria Harbour on live television a few minutes ago had waves of about
two metres breaking over the waterfront at Wanchai and it appeared to be
very windy there.  Still barely a breeze in sheltered Sha Tin and no
doubt the HKO in the middle of built up Kowloon will be well sheltered
also.
I still cannot get onto the HKO site which is obviously overloaded.
This town has around two million registered Internet users, and I reckon
they are all trying to look at HKO.

Phil
<><
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Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 09:49:47 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>

Hi all.
I have now set up a page at
http://www.drdisk.com.hk/utor.htm
to keep track of Typhoon Utor.
Here we still have Typhoon Signal Eight (North West Gale Force Winds)
hoisted but the highest gust recorded here in sheltered Sha Tin has been
no more than 18 km/h!
I shall keep copying my e-mails to Carl to my Utor page and hopefully
make time to write up a decent report later.
The Internet is absolutely inundated here so getting information is
actually quite difficult.  It will ease off once the typhoon signals are
lowered unless the weather stays really bad.

Phil
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Hong Kong S.A.R.
People's Republic of China
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SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 1311 on Friday the 6th of July 2001

This advice affects people in the following weather districts:

Northern Rivers
Mid North Coast north of Kempsey

Thunderstorms are forecast within the advice area this afternoon. Some of
these are expected to be severe bringing large hailstones and damaging
winds.


----
Quite a line of activity out to my W and extending down to the S. Weaker 
stuff to the NW and N at 1.25pm.

regards, Michael


At 12:24 06/07/2001 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>Now a Cb has developed right over the area where the funnel was sighted:
>http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0706de03.jpg
>It looks like it may just slip past W of Lismore now, but I will keep you 
>posted. Thunder can now be heard from the cells off the coast now as well. 
>Wonderful sound to hear!!!!
>
>Dave


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Radar shows a line of cells Coffs - Grafton - Casino active
(particularly Grafton - Casino) at 1pm / 1:10pm

Dave Ellem wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> I climbed up on the roof earlier to look for cb's off the coast. No luck in
> that sense, but when I turned around to look to the WNW, this is what I saw:
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0706de01.jpg
> Fortuenatley I took my digi up on the roof with me. I got one quick pic, and
> raced downstairs to let Michael Bath know on ICQ as he has pretty much the
> same view as me, and by the time I had gotten outside for another pic it had
> disappated to this:
> http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0706de02.jpg
> These photos were taken around 11.30am. The strange thing is that the funnel
> is attached to quite a small cloud. Although a fair way away, there was no
> real rotation obsevered. MB said he saw another one that didn't look to
> convincing to the right of this one a few minutes later. Anyone got any idea
> of what may have caused this very sus looking cloud?
> Thanks
> 
> Dave Ellem
> Wollongbar,
> Northern Rivers,
> NE NSW
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SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
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Issued at 1311 on Friday the 6th of July 2001

This advice affects people in the following weather districts:

Northern Rivers
Mid North Coast north of Kempsey

Thunderstorms are forecast within the advice area this afternoon. Some
of these are expected to be severe bringing large hailstones and
damaging winds.

Jane

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Dear Michael,

New to the forum, but ive been a keen weather watcher all my life.
Especially like spring when we get all these great storms rolling through.

Now about 2 months back 4 tornadoes were seen together commencing over the
water near coffs harbour and then travelling a distance inland. I didn't see
them as it was gone by the time I got there but they were reported on the
radio.

Best wishes

Ian Isles

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SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
NEW SOUTH WALES REGIONAL OFFICE
Issued at 1311 on Friday the 6th of July 2001

This advice affects people in the following weather districts:

Northern Rivers
Mid North Coast north of Kempsey

Thunderstorms are forecast within the advice area this afternoon. Some of
these are expected to be severe bringing large hailstones and damaging
winds.


----
Quite a line of activity out to my W and extending down to the S. Weaker
stuff to the NW and N at 1.25pm.

regards, Michael


At 12:24 06/07/2001 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi everyone,
>Now a Cb has developed right over the area where the funnel was sighted:
>http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/photos/2001/0706de03.jpg
>It looks like it may just slip past W of Lismore now, but I will keep you
>posted. Thunder can now be heard from the cells off the coast now as well.
>Wonderful sound to hear!!!!
>
>Dave


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Hi Ian,

Check these out:

20th February 2001:
http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/media/20010220coffs.jpg

and
1sy May 2001:
http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/media/20010501coffs-p1.jpg
http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/media/20010501coffs-p5.jpg

I guess it was these second ones.

cheers, Michael


At 13:59 06/07/2001 +1000, you wrote:
>Dear Michael,
>
>New to the forum, but ive been a keen weather watcher all my life.
>Especially like spring when we get all these great storms rolling through.
>
>Now about 2 months back 4 tornadoes were seen together commencing over the
>water near coffs harbour and then travelling a distance inland. I didn't see
>them as it was gone by the time I got there but they were reported on the
>radio.
>
>Best wishes
>
>Ian Isles


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Lindsay wrote:
Nice little cover. There's 5mm in the gauge this morning but I'd say about
1mm or so would have been snow. It's still around  0C at 7:15am with a nice
dusting of snow around. Hope we get some more. How did other spots fair?
I didn't fair as well as I thought I was going to. A whole 1.4mm out of it.
It has been quite dark here today but so far not even a hint of a drop of
rain :-(
Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)

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Hi every1,

A massive (and much appreciated) 11 mm. in the gauge for the 24 till 9 a.m. 
Doesn't look like much more here to me... :((

Cheers,
Kevin from Wycheproof.

P.S. If it snowed in the Grampians the air was a LOT colder than here!
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Short answer is no.
Wet hail can look alot like sleet. As for reports pre 1900's, should we
believe them.
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>
> Dear All
>
> As I have only been in Sydney for about 3 years I'm unsure of the long
term
> weather patterns or records. Has there ever been any reported case of snow
> in SYdney or inner suburbs? Or is it just a myth?? What abour sleet? I guy
> here reckons that we could get sleet in Sydney, but I don't think he's
very
> well informed. Whats everyones thoughts??
>
> Simon
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There is a fair bit of snow on the ranges south of Canberra - down to around 
1000m. Been raining here most of the day - fairly light and when I have 
checked, the temp has been 5 or below. (Prob max of no more than 6 today).

Patrick

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>Nice little cover. There's 5mm in the gauge this morning but I'd say about
>1mm or so would have been snow. It's still around  0C at 7:15am with a nice
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Hi All.

Here is the latest from Phil in Hong Kong.

Regards,
Carl.

Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 10:40:19 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>

JTWC has upgraded it to a Typhoon again, HKO has upgraded it to a Severe
Tropical Storm, and I cannot get JMA.
The Typhoon Signal Eight (South West Gales) was hoisted by the HKO at
09:40 this morning.
Note that HKO has four different Number Eight signals for NE, NW, SE and
SW Gales.  We have now had three of the four hoisted during this storm.
During the 10:30 Typhoon report on TV we saw pictures of Central
(downtown Hong Kong) with about 30-60 cm water covering the streets.
Still relatively calm but very wet here.  As the winds are now from the
South West, we are sheltered by the mountains.
Everything is closed down so apart from economic losses to businesses
etc. the typhoon is having very little effect.
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Subject: aus-wx: Oberon Snow
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Hi all.

Snow is falling again in Oberon, started 5 min ago.. 4.45pm.  Quite heavy
snow was told.

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From: "Lindsay Pearce" <violin at lisp.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Friday Oberon Snow Chase
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Hi all,

Just a quick note to say we saw great snow out Oberon way this morning. I've
got some great photos. Best snow was at Mount Trickett where it was in the
10 to 15cm range and very dry/powdery. We got caught down a side road with 6
to 8cm on the road, although nothing that a bit of shovelling couldn't fix.
Not much falling snow when we were there but good snow in the township and
to the south.

Will write up more of a story for my site when I get time.

Cheers,

Lindsay Pearce
Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
Email: violin at lisp.com.au
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From: "Ben Quinn" <benquinn at optushome.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: More July storms!
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Storms in July here are quite rare and this is my second thunderday this
week! While the storms today were low  topped the updrafts took on a boiling
appearance at times, and considering a grunty coastal shower is a bonus at
this time of the year today was quite exciting

Some sus lowerings under a developing Cb just off the coast mid afternoon -
not much movement in them though

http://www.bsch.au.com/temp/lowerings.jpg

and as the cell moved further offshore and intensified the updrafts look
quite nice

http://www.bsch.au.com/temp/offshore.jpg

Also a solid storm near Brisbane earlier on

http://www.bsch.au.com/temp/south1.jpg
http://www.bsch.au.com/temp/south2.jpg

....i'm ready for some more

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From: "Lindsay Pearce" <violin at lisp.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Snow in the central tablelands again?
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Latest LAPS and GASP 00z are now looking good for the Central Tablelands
over the weekend. Seems to be some moisture there too with nice thicknesses
below 540.

Lets hope it comes off although I've had a good day in the snow today :)


Lindsay Pearce
Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
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<P>Well there has been steady rain in tuggernong area all day but cleared up in 
my area (belconnen). Max temp According to my thermo was 5.9*c at 3:35 at the 
moment it reads 1.7*c and TWC has 3.9*c (for canberra AWS and im around 25kms 
west from there). 
<P>Chances of snow tonite in west canberra has decreased since the cloud mass 
moved south and is now posistioned over south canberra and from my last view of 
it just berfore sunset it was dark grey so i suspect heavy rain periods 
overnight and descent snow on the ranges. 
<P>Also just before sunset i got a clear view of the fire trail/powerline 
clearing which cuts through the brindabella's towards wee jasper and it seemed 
to have a decent snow covering and for all the canberra WX readers you should 
all know what the trail looks like and for those of you that dont know let me 
describe to my best ability... when it snows it looks like a huge ski run. pity 
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Date: Fri, 06 Jul 2001 19:42:33 +1000
From: Andrew Miskelly <amiskelly at ozemail.com.au>
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I also drove from Taralga to Black Springs which is SSW of Oberon at
1210 metres. There was great snow there and most of the way up from the
Abecrombie River. It was very foggy at Black Springs while I was there
(I haven't seen any falling snow yet this weekend though) which before
now I have only seen in the snowy mountains.

When it happens there it's often because of oragraphics but here it was
allowed because it was so still.

Well worth the drive.

It's 2 and breezy from the west here at Taralga at the moment with
patchy cloud around.

Andrew.


Lindsay Pearce wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Just a quick note to say we saw great snow out Oberon way this morning. I've
> got some great photos. Best snow was at Mount Trickett where it was in the
> 10 to 15cm range and very dry/powdery. We got caught down a side road with 6
> to 8cm on the road, although nothing that a bit of shovelling couldn't fix.
> Not much falling snow when we were there but good snow in the township and
> to the south.
> 
> Will write up more of a story for my site when I get time.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Lindsay Pearce
> Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
> Email: violin at lisp.com.au
> Blackheath Weather:
>  http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/blackhth.htm
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Hi all,

The 06Z run of AVN for today (the 6th) shows an interesting development
- a deeper cold pool right over the Blue Mountains by 21Z tomorrow
(Sunday morning our time). With the low off the coast by that time this
could lead to very heavy snow falls for that area.

Sadly for me, the same chart shows the trailing edge of the 540
thickness disappearing off to the east of Taralga.

Very interesting...

Andrew.
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From: "Paul Yole" <pyole at australia.edu>
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Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 21:22:19 +1000
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Hey all,

Looks like the snow in the Grampians yesterday was a major possibility. I
have just spoken to a Halls Gap police officer who had a report published in
the Wimmera Mail Times today. The article is as follows:

Motorists driving to Mt. William risked ice and possible snow on the steep
road to the Grampians peak, Halls Gap police said yesterday.
Acting Sergent Mark Connell said there was sleet and ice on the road
yesterday. "It was almost heading towards snow," Sgt Connell said.

He believed snow overnight was a possibility and warned motorists to be
careful on Mt. William Road.

The Bureau of Meteorology forecast a low pressure system would cross the
Wimmera overnight.

PaulY.

Paul Yole
Joint State Rep - Vic ASWA
Communications Officer - Murtoa CFA
0418 369 256
http://www.severeweather.asn.au 


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Hi all

I headed out west of Melbourne looking for some action, and although I
didn't reach my target area, I saw some nice convection (well I was happy
at least).  Here's what I saw:
 
http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_07_06/today.html

I've supplied 3 movies which can be played/downloaded by clicking on 3
images.  I'll be the first to admit that the movies aren't all that
spectacular (ie no hail/lightning/tornadoes), so if you have download
restrictions, then perhaps give these a miss.  I've just made them for me
to practice so that when the real stuff comes around, all teething
problems would have been taken care of. 


Cheers

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Department of Mathematics and Statistics
Monash University
Clayton, Vic 3800
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Will watch that one with interest, Andrew. My gut feeling is maybe a little
more snow/sleet and then rain later in the weekend for us. The positioning
of the low off the coast as you suggest, will be critical for us if indeed
the cold pool is over us at this time, too.

Lindsay Pearce
Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
Email: violin at lisp.com.au
Blackheath Weather:
 http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/blackhth.htm
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> Hi all,
>
> The 06Z run of AVN for today (the 6th) shows an interesting development
> - a deeper cold pool right over the Blue Mountains by 21Z tomorrow
> (Sunday morning our time). With the low off the coast by that time this
> could lead to very heavy snow falls for that area.
>
> Sadly for me, the same chart shows the trailing edge of the 540
> thickness disappearing off to the east of Taralga.
>
> Very interesting...
>
> Andrew.
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From: "Lyle Pakula" <lyle at atmos.colostate.edu>
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Hi,

I downloaded that software and retreive the worldwide data but it won't
plot. It teels me there is no data for my region or for the observation time
i chose. Is there a way of knowing what data you have? Seems like th eold
fashioned way, get the charts off the web, is probbaly more reliable??
Cheers, Lyle

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> Lyle,
>
> I've used Tim Vasquez's Digital Atmosphere for several years and believe
> it's the best. Details at http://www.weathergraphics.com/
>
> You use data from Florida State University and several other sites, and
can
> have a plotted, analysed map ready ~20 mins after obs time.
>
> Laurier
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Lyle Pakula
> > Sent: Friday, 06 July, 2001 7:55 AM
> > To: aus-wx
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> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I know i have asked this before but recevied no reply, so i'm not sure
if
> > maybe the message didn't get thorugh or something ;/
> >
> > Anyway, it's really frustrating not having the surface obs plotted so to
> > pick out surface lows etc. Does anyone know of any resource, software,
> > anything, that could do this?
> >
> > It would be much appreciated!
> >
> > Thanks, Lyle
> >
> >
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Every year I get an email from Blair Trewin from some odd part of the
world (chasing severe weather by any means of transport he can get hold
of <g>) ... see below:-

...........................................................

Jane,

Another of my annual reports from the other side of the world - this
year it's Lithuania.

Ended up (by accident - I was on a bus) on the back of quite an
impressive storm this afternoon in western Lithuania - no hail or severe
winds, but very heavy rain at times. On each of the last three days,
storms have formed near the Baltic coast around midday and moved slowly
inland; whilst I don't have the data to confirm it, I suspect they are
forming on the seabreeze front (with Baltic SST's probably around 17 and
daytime temperatures inland in the high 20s, there have been fairly
solid seabreezes each day).

This set-up should continue for a couple of days yet; no idea if there's
any publicly available radar coverage (try the Latvian or Lithuanian
met. services via the WMO page), but if there is it could be fun
watching. Most of the action is between 1300 and 1600 local time (add 8
hours for Melbourne).

Blair

...........................................................

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From: "Les Crossan" <les.crossan at virgin.net>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Storms in Lithuania
Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2001 23:43:32 +0100
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he should have been in western britain earlier on this week...

http://www.eclipse.co.uk/wradmore/warrensweatherwatch/photos/2001/july4th/4t
hjuly2001.htm

You don't often get superbolts like that on this island....

Les
Les Crossan and Christine Challen,
Wallsend, Tyne & Wear 55N 01-30W
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Wallsend StormCam: www.cc0020209.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wallsendstormcam.htm
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Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 12:26 AM
Subject: aus-wx: Storms in Lithuania


> Every year I get an email from Blair Trewin from some odd part of the
> world (chasing severe weather by any means of transport he can get hold
> of <g>) ... see below:-
>
> ...........................................................
>
> Jane,
>
> Another of my annual reports from the other side of the world - this
> year it's Lithuania.
>
> Ended up (by accident - I was on a bus) on the back of quite an
> impressive storm this afternoon in western Lithuania - no hail or severe
> winds, but very heavy rain at times. On each of the last three days,
> storms have formed near the Baltic coast around midday and moved slowly
> inland; whilst I don't have the data to confirm it, I suspect they are
> forming on the seabreeze front (with Baltic SST's probably around 17 and
> daytime temperatures inland in the high 20s, there have been fairly
> solid seabreezes each day).
>
> This set-up should continue for a couple of days yet; no idea if there's
> any publicly available radar coverage (try the Latvian or Lithuanian
> met. services via the WMO page), but if there is it could be fun
> watching. Most of the action is between 1300 and 1600 local time (add 8
> hours for Melbourne).
>
> Blair
>
> ...........................................................
>
> --------------------------------
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> cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
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> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: Virtual stormchase Europe
Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 10:40:22 +1000
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and following on from Blair's email........a few links if you are
interested in following the weather in Europe atm

for the big picture - Europe image
http://home.t-online.de/home/wienzek/n16v.html

for lightning in Europe & the UK over a 24 hour period
http://imkpc3.physik.uni-karlsruhe.de/wz/pics/Rsfloc2.html

For the synoptic analysis of Europe, try the European Aviation Weather
Centre
http://www.phd.nl/aviation/wx/
(check out the links at top left!! - especially the 'Thunderstorm areas'
for the latest convective outlook)

Latvian met service (has english tags on the links)
http://www.meteo.lv/
Click on 'Laika Zinas' then click on 'Satelita attcls' for a satpic.

Jane
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Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 11:45:57 +1000
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Looking South West from Katoomba's highest point around 9 am I could see
very very dark low lying clouds. Would this be over the Oberon area?
Does anyone know if there's been snow there this morning as it was
around 2 degrees in Katoomba so snow would be likely?

Damian

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Subject: RE: aus-wx: RE: Coffs Harbour waterspouts  WAS: NSW STA
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Thanks that's what they were.

Really appreciate those pics.

Ian

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Subject: aus-wx: RE: Coffs Harbour waterspouts WAS: NSW STA

Hi Ian,

Check these out:

20th February 2001:
http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/media/20010220coffs.jpg

and
1sy May 2001:
http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/media/20010501coffs-p1.jpg
http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/media/20010501coffs-p5.jpg

I guess it was these second ones.

cheers, Michael


At 13:59 06/07/2001 +1000, you wrote:
>Dear Michael,
>
>New to the forum, but ive been a keen weather watcher all my life.
>Especially like spring when we get all these great storms rolling through.
>
>Now about 2 months back 4 tornadoes were seen together commencing over the
>water near coffs harbour and then travelling a distance inland. I didn't
see
>them as it was gone by the time I got there but they were reported on the
>radio.
>
>Best wishes
>
>Ian Isles


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From: "Paul Rands" <prands at efter-stormen.com>
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Hi everyone

hope everyone is well :)

This morning at South Penrith it was a chilly 4 degrees at 9 AM, not quite as cold as the other morning which we had -1.

Anyway I will be in Bathurst for work on Tuesday and Wednesday, anyone got any idea of what likelyhood of me not getting in or out on both days?


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5:30pm
Hi there,

Just heard from a fellow out there, no snow in the township today as of 3pm
but snow around in the area from yesterday etc. I'd imagine snow was
certainly possible south of Oberon, where it is significantly higher.

Its looking pretty dark here at the moment, plenty of cloud in Blackheath.
I'm not sure of the prospects of snow for here as yet, I'm about to do some
detective work now.:)

Lindsay Pearce
Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
Email: violin at lisp.com.au
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 http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/blackhth.htm
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> Looking South West from Katoomba's highest point around 9 am I could see
> very very dark low lying clouds. Would this be over the Oberon area?
> Does anyone know if there's been snow there this morning as it was
> around 2 degrees in Katoomba so snow would be likely?
>
> Damian
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From: "islesit" <islesit at tpg.com.au>
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I read a report many years ago that Sydney - Martin Place received 1 foot of
snow around 1840. Id love to find out more about that.

Historically the early 1800's were a cold period of history.

Anybody know more.

Ian Isles

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Short answer is no.
Wet hail can look alot like sleet. As for reports pre 1900's, should we
believe them.
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>
> Dear All
>
> As I have only been in Sydney for about 3 years I'm unsure of the long
term
> weather patterns or records. Has there ever been any reported case of snow
> in SYdney or inner suburbs? Or is it just a myth?? What abour sleet? I guy
> here reckons that we could get sleet in Sydney, but I don't think he's
very
> well informed. Whats everyones thoughts??
>
> Simon
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Hi,
I don't believe it was snow. It is amazing how many people mistake a fall of
hail as snow.
Yes, the planet was colder back then, but cold enough for 30cm of snow at
sea level, lat 34deg?.
Also, i don't think people would have had the scientific ethic back then
that prevails today to
accurately record such events.
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Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 7:31 PM
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> I read a report many years ago that Sydney - Martin Place received 1 foot
of
> snow around 1840. Id love to find out more about that.
>
> Historically the early 1800's were a cold period of history.
>
> Anybody know more.
>
> Ian Isles
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Steven Williams
> Sent: Friday, 6 July 2001 3:23 PM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Snow in Sydney????
>
> Short answer is no.
> Wet hail can look alot like sleet. As for reports pre 1900's, should we
> believe them.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Simon_Wild at hyder.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:41 AM
> Subject: aus-wx: Snow in Sydney????
>
>
> >
> > Dear All
> >
> > As I have only been in Sydney for about 3 years I'm unsure of the long
> term
> > weather patterns or records. Has there ever been any reported case of
snow
> > in SYdney or inner suburbs? Or is it just a myth?? What abour sleet? I
guy
> > here reckons that we could get sleet in Sydney, but I don't think he's
> very
> > well informed. Whats everyones thoughts??
> >
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Dear Steve,

It was reported in the Financial review from memory and it was snow that was
reported, not a hail storm.

But im still waiting a source to the report and until then it really just a
report I read many years ago.

I wonder how we could find out.

Ian Isles

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Hi,
I don't believe it was snow. It is amazing how many people mistake a fall of
hail as snow.
Yes, the planet was colder back then, but cold enough for 30cm of snow at
sea level, lat 34deg?.
Also, i don't think people would have had the scientific ethic back then
that prevails today to
accurately record such events.
----- Original Message -----
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> I read a report many years ago that Sydney - Martin Place received 1 foot
of
> snow around 1840. Id love to find out more about that.
>
> Historically the early 1800's were a cold period of history.
>
> Anybody know more.
>
> Ian Isles
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Steven Williams
> Sent: Friday, 6 July 2001 3:23 PM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Snow in Sydney????
>
> Short answer is no.
> Wet hail can look alot like sleet. As for reports pre 1900's, should we
> believe them.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Simon_Wild at hyder.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:41 AM
> Subject: aus-wx: Snow in Sydney????
>
>
> >
> > Dear All
> >
> > As I have only been in Sydney for about 3 years I'm unsure of the long
> term
> > weather patterns or records. Has there ever been any reported case of
snow
> > in SYdney or inner suburbs? Or is it just a myth?? What abour sleet? I
guy
> > here reckons that we could get sleet in Sydney, but I don't think he's
> very
> > well informed. Whats everyones thoughts??
> >
> > Simon
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Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 18:36:28 +1000
From: Don White <donwhite at ozemail.com.au>
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<x-flowed>
In October 1840 (20th from memory but that might be wring), heavy hail 
let drifts in the streets into the following morning.
No snow that year at all.
Snow in 1836 remains only measurable ground cover of snowin Sydney since 
the European invasion and as press reports at the time noted "the 
terrified bahaviour of the natives" - probably much longer.
Cheers,
Don White

islesit wrote:

> I read a report many years ago that Sydney - Martin Place received 1 foot of
> snow around 1840. Id love to find out more about that.
> 
> Historically the early 1800's were a cold period of history.
> 
> Anybody know more.
> 
> Ian Isles
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Steven Williams
> Sent: Friday, 6 July 2001 3:23 PM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Snow in Sydney????
> 
> Short answer is no.
> Wet hail can look alot like sleet. As for reports pre 1900's, should we
> believe them.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Simon_Wild at hyder.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 9:41 AM
> Subject: aus-wx: Snow in Sydney????
> 
> 
> 
>> Dear All
>> 
>> As I have only been in Sydney for about 3 years I'm unsure of the long
> 
> term
> 
>> weather patterns or records. Has there ever been any reported case of snow
>> in SYdney or inner suburbs? Or is it just a myth?? What abour sleet? I guy
>> here reckons that we could get sleet in Sydney, but I don't think he's
> 
> very
> 
>> well informed. Whats everyones thoughts??
>> 
>> Simon
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Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2001 20:14:15 +1000
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At sunset a deck of healthy Cb's were luminated well SE of Wollongong,
perhaps 200km or more. Their anvils were pointed S/SW, the cloud may edge
closer overnight but I think we may actually miss the action.

Michael



> Will watch that one with interest, Andrew. My gut feeling is maybe a
little
> more snow/sleet and then rain later in the weekend for us. The positioning
> of the low off the coast as you suggest, will be critical for us if indeed
> the cold pool is over us at this time, too.
>
> Lindsay Pearce
> Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
> Email: violin at lisp.com.au
> Blackheath Weather:
>  http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/blackhth.htm
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> From: "Andrew Miskelly" <amiskelly at ozemail.com.au>
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> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 8:34 PM
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>
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > The 06Z run of AVN for today (the 6th) shows an interesting development
> > - a deeper cold pool right over the Blue Mountains by 21Z tomorrow
> > (Sunday morning our time). With the low off the coast by that time this
> > could lead to very heavy snow falls for that area.
> >
> > Sadly for me, the same chart shows the trailing edge of the 540
> > thickness disappearing off to the east of Taralga.
> >
> > Very interesting...
> >
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From: "Lindsay Pearce" <violin at lisp.com.au>
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Yes, its possible we will miss this one. Although I've noticed the TWC
lightning tracker has the latest strikes moving a little closer to the
coast. Little cloud here just now, just light 3/8 strato cu., 1C and fresh
westerlies. Wish I could get a more recent sat pic update. :(

Lindsay Pearce
Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
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> At sunset a deck of healthy Cb's were luminated well SE of Wollongong,
> perhaps 200km or more. Their anvils were pointed S/SW, the cloud may edge
> closer overnight but I think we may actually miss the action.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> > Will watch that one with interest, Andrew. My gut feeling is maybe a
> little
> > more snow/sleet and then rain later in the weekend for us. The
positioning
> > of the low off the coast as you suggest, will be critical for us if
indeed
> > the cold pool is over us at this time, too.
> >
> > Lindsay Pearce
> > Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
> > Email: violin at lisp.com.au
> > Blackheath Weather:
> >  http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/blackhth.htm


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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: New Digital Camera.
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I have finally brought a digital camera. My reward for several 50-60 hour
weeks at work.

It is a Canon A20. Cost was $860. The Kodak DC3400 was cheaper but had a
smaller zoom lens. All other cameras were too expensive. The Canon A20 is a
2.1 megapixel camera, with a 35-105 equivalent zoom. The only other digital
I have used  to compare it too was a Sony Mavica. The Sony was a 1.6
megapixel camera, but the pictures are as good as the Canon's. Megapixels
mostly affect what size you can print at. For web photos do not let
megapixels be your sole criteria. The Sony's LCD was bigger and more
useable. On the other hand the Canon at least has a visual rangefinder, so
you can turn the LCD off and still use the camera. The Canon is palm size,
whilst the Sony is a fair lump.

I have some sample pictures at

http://ozthunder.com/personal/a20test.htm

Not much in the way of weather yet, just a sunset. Actually the cirrus being
lit is coming in from the east, from that low pressure system. The Illawarra
was on the edge of the cloud all day.

Here is a rating of the A20 camera in regard to the needs of a storm chaser.

PROS:
Good clear pictures with vivid colour.
Handles contrasts well ( actually most digitals do )
Can lock focus in infinity - so important for weather shots.
Panorama assist mode - can't wait to try this.
Easy to use.
Compact.
Can use normal batteries, or NiMh ( Nickel Metal Hydride )
Some controls over white balance and exposure compensation.

CONS:
LCD is small and near useless in bright sunlight.
Battery life is poor.
You cannot turn the digital zoom off. ( you can only disable it by turning
off the LCD )
Auto focus is picky on poorly lit scenes - this involves the family type
pictures mostly.
Software is nothing special.
No manual focus controls.

Michael Thompson
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Hi All.

On the TV tonight they said that over 100 people died in southern China
during Utor.

Below is possibly the final update on Utor from Phil in Hong Kong.

Regards,
Carl.

Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2001 22:01:19 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>

The long-awaited update...
What happened at lunch time yesterday is that we suddenly decided to make
good use of a typhoon.  Our domestic helper was coming so we asked her to
look after our kids while we went and checked in at a nearby hotel for
the night.  Our first night away from the kids in years.

My wife, Wendy and I decided we could make good use of the "no work"
conditions which arise in HK when Typhoon Signal Eight is hoisted, so we
packed our bags, left our four children in charge of our domestic helper,
and went across the road to the Restaurant for lunch.  Normally in
typhoon conditions it would be necessary to go via the underground car-
park, but as the winds were calm we just walked straight across.
There were high clouds, no rain, and only a slight breeze.  I check the
signal ... Typhoon Signal Eight (SW Gales) was still hoisted.
After lunch we decided to proceed to the hotel where we were booked to
have our first night away from the kids in several years.  At the
restaurant door I observed that Signal Eight was still hoisted and
outside it now looked like it! Trees were bending double, nobody could
keep an umbrella up and the rain was pelting almost horizontally so that
I could just barely make out our home 30 metres away.  I looked back at
the signal and saw that Signal Eight was just being replaced by Signal
Three!  I couldn't believe it!  The first really decent squall out of
Utor and they lowered the signal to Three!
I decided crossing the road was too dangerous and went underground to get
some stuff from the car and then underground again to join Wendy back at
the restaurant.
We grabbed our brollies and walked through the car-park to the end of our
property where it would only be a 120 metre walk to the hotel.  We paused
and looked at the horizontal rain.  A bloke with a brolly went out and
his brolly immediately collapsed inwards and he was instantly soaked to
the skin.  I think the surrounding 30-storey buildings were acting like a
wind-tunnel to make the wind much fiercer there than at the Shatin AWS
which was then recording only 29 km/h 10-minute averaged wind speeds.  We
decided against going to the hotel that way and went back to the
restaurant where the taxis wait under cover.  There we took a taxi for
the twenty-seconds trip to the hotel where we could also get out under
cover.
We checked into our room and had a very enjoyable afternoon.  In the
evening around 19:00 to 19:30 we went shopping for food (hotel
restaurants are too expensive) and observed a great deal of rain and
estimated the consistent wind speed to be about 30 km/h with some gusts
much higher.
The Signal Three remained hoisted throughout the night.  We could hear a
lot of wind noise from outside the hotel at times while we watched Rafter
defeating Agassi on a live telecast from Wimbledon.  Some of the noise
turned out to be the demolition of a 12 storey high sign fastened to the
end of the hotel building which we saw next morning had been thoroughly
shredded during the night.
At about 06:00 this morning I looked out of the window and observed that
whole trees were still bending double and the odd palm branch was flying
through the sky.  It was raining heavily, so back to bed.
About 09:00 I looked out again and the roads were still wet, rain was
very light and the trees were now bobbing their heads but no longer
bending double.
About 11:00 we checked out of the hotel and walked home. The roads were
now dry and the wind was a little gusty but less than 20 km/h.  Not
difficult for walking.
As we walked home the street was strewn with leaves, twigs and small
branches.  No other damage was visible.
I was most surprised while walking past the signal at 11:19 to see that
Signal Three was still hoisted.
At 11:21 I got online for the first time in 24 hours and observed that
the signal had been lowered one minute earlier.
I drove to Hong Kong Island after lunch and as I entered the Tunnel under
Victoria Harbour I was amusing myself thinking how safe tunnels would be
to drive in during typhoons when all the brake lights suddenly went on
and I had to do an emergency stop.  Two big trucks, a van and a taxi had
all piled into each other three car lengths in front of me.  Fortunately
nobody appeared to be injured.  I was stuck there for ages while they
sorted out the wreckage thinking tunnels might not be such a safe place
after all!
On HK Island, it was immediately obvious that there had been higher winds
than we had at Sha Tin, because the damage to trees was considerably
greater.
After my work on HK Island I returned home in time to watch the TV news
reports.  Nobody was reportedly injured during typhoon Utor.  Traffic and
transportation was somewhat chaotic and more than 100 flights were
grounded -  not during the number 8 signal, but during the number 3
signal which followed.
All the ferries which had returned to work after the 8 to 3 signal
transition were later suspended by their operators who decided that
regardless of what signal HKO had hoisted, it was too dangerous to
operate on the harbour. They went back to work today.
The airport is still trying to sort out their backlog of stranded
passengers and aeroplanes.
So while Utor was only 50 Km North of here, all was quiet, but later on
when Utor was more than 300 km away, the real winds came.  This shows
that the highest winds were in the periphery of the storm and not near
the centre.
This will probably be my last report on Utor unless some other news comes
to light.

Hooroo for now.

Phil
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From: "Paul Yole" <pyole at australia.edu>
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Subject: aus-wx: NSSL fire causes $1.8 million in damage
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 04:15:45 +1000
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Hey all, 

Just heard in #usweather that NSSL in Norman, Oklahoma had a fire. This is
what it says about it on the main page:

FIRE DAMAGES NOAA FACILITY-ESTIMATED COST $1.8 MILLION 
Officials from NOAA's National Severe Storms Laboratory said preliminary
estimated costs are $1.8 million to replace research equipment lost in a
fire. The organization's leased equipment storage facility, known as the
"Balloon Barn," was destroyed, including a new mobile radar, called a
"SMART-Radar," a mobile laboratory and three atmospheric sounding systems.
The full report can be read at:
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories/s676.htm

PaulY

Paul Yole
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Hi every1,

Just checked out the late Roger jensen's pix on the stormtrack page...had to 
share this one:

http://www.stormtrack.org/jensen/a-10.jpg

Cheers,
Kevin from fine and sunny Wycheproof. :((
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From: "Tina Jones" <bjones14 at postoffice.csu.edu.au>
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I wouldn't get too excited!  They did this last week and all we have had in
Jindabyne (975m) is rain, and lots of it!  Even at the resorts the snow is
really wet.

Tina :-)
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> Hi all,
>
> I have never seen elevations specified for snow fall this far out from
> the day the forecast is for before. The BoM have the following for the
> Southern and Central Tablelands already for Friday, as of 1130.
>
> Showers and isolated thunderstorms with possible hail. Showers falling
> as snow above 800 metres. Cold. Fresh to strong west to southwest wind.
>
> Love it!
>
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Where was that Roger Jensens picture taken .

Whoa - what a storm - is that band or rotation?

Ian isles

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Hi every1,

Just checked out the late Roger jensen's pix on the stormtrack page...had to
share this one:

http://www.stormtrack.org/jensen/a-10.jpg

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Kevin from fine and sunny Wycheproof. :((
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Hi Tina,

Excellent to hear from someone in Jindy! Stick around - I look forward
to more 'updates' in the future.

Andrew.


Tina Jones wrote:
> 
> I wouldn't get too excited!  They did this last week and all we have had in
> Jindabyne (975m) is rain, and lots of it!  Even at the resorts the snow is
> really wet.
> 
> Tina :-)
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> 
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> >
> > I have never seen elevations specified for snow fall this far out from
> > the day the forecast is for before. The BoM have the following for the
> > Southern and Central Tablelands already for Friday, as of 1130.
> >
> > Showers and isolated thunderstorms with possible hail. Showers falling
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> >
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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: WA. activity.
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 12:02:20 +1000
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Hi all.
A marked thermal trough approaching the south west of WA looks to be showing
some potential for cold season thunderstorms, especially from Perth
southward,with the thermal trough lagging at 500hpa west of the cold front
should see some warm advection from the surface to 850hpa under the colder
temps at 700 to 500hpa. regards Clyve H.

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Hi all.
Interesting obs here at Leopold yesterday (7.07.01). After a min of 5.3c
with overnight calm,the reading at 0900hrs was 15.9c and humidity at 90%
with a freshening southeast wind and an airmass coming all the way from the
central Tasman sea and a max at 1000hrs of 16.7c (85%H),the temp from then
gradually fell to 13.5c at 1500hrs,by late evening the airmass was
distinctly dryer and colder 9,9c (61%H) and virtually all cloud disappeared
and I suspect the arrival of returning colder air that had circumnavigated
the low pressure system. best wishes Clyve H.

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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: Victorian weather reports
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Afternoon all,

I've put together a collection of links to weather stations around
Victoria, wind recording stations, webcams & a couple of automated
telephone weather stations at
http://www.stormchasers.au.com/wxcurrent.htm

The sites I have so far are:
Bureau of Meteorology Current Weather  (59 locations)
Deakin University, Geelong
Leopold, Bellarine Peninsula
Carluke, South Gippsland
Albury
Aspendale, Melbourne
Mt Beauty
Sandringham

Wind - Port Phillip Bay
Wind - SW Coast
Wind - Wilsons Prom
Wind - East Gippsland

Webcam - Melbourne
Webcam - Sandringham
Webcam - Pt Lonsdale Lighthouse (4 cameras)
Webcam - Melbourne Docks (4 cameras)
Webcam - Victorian Snowcams (20 cameras)

Bussie, when will Rutherglen be online? If anyone has any more please
let me know.

Many thanks,

Jane

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Hi Lyle,

The trick is to get the correct ZULU hours.  Not all Australian
stations report every hour, some only report 3 hourly.  The easy
"shotgun" approach is to download "everything" for a given time
period, ie, a "number" of hours.  As an example, what I do is run a
script file to download a whole 24 hours in one go first.  Since I am
in sydney I am 10 hours ahead of Zulu, so when I fire up at around 10
or 11 am I run the following script file (see below) to get the whole
last 24 hours in one go.

Then I use the "Import a Directory" command, which imports all these
files now in the data directory into DA, and do whatever plotting I
want.  When I later want the 10am, 11am and NOON obs, (ie, 0000z,
0100z and 02z respectively), I simply archive or delete the first 3
syn files and the first 3 upa files, then use the DA internet data
import function, first for 00z (and when DA finishes just rename the
incoming.txt file to 00z.txt, then without doing anything, repeat for
01z (and again when DA finishes rename the incoming.txt file to
01z.txt) and again for 03z.  Then, run the "Import a Directory"
command again, and away you go.  This way, you always have the last 24
hours up to the latest ZULU hour you have downloaded in the program. 
It is a bit messy procedurally, but you soon get the hang of it, and
it becomes routine.  NOTE - you have to delete those 3 hour files
above for both the syn and the upa (6 files) - DO NOT allow DA to read
/ import a time spread of 25 hours or more, otherwise it has a heart
attack.  It only works on hours, I DOES NOT descriminate different
days with the same zulu hour, so if you have data for say July6 OOZULU
and July7 OOZULU loaded at the same time, it goes troppo !  Hopefully
this will be one of the things Tim fixes in the next upgrade.

So, having said all that, try this.  Note - all this has to be done in
a plain ASCII text editor, like notepad say.

Copy the info below into a file, save it as ASCII text and call it
........ say ....... CoD_day.DFS
(Note, script files have to be DSF files)  It stands for
Digital(Atmosphere) Script File).  Then place that file in your DA
directory.
Then, edit the last part of each line to reflect your Digital
Atmosphere Data Directory (mine is in D drive, so the path is
D:\DA2000\DATA ..... but yours may be different ...... so edit it as
necessary).
Then read the instructions on how to run a script in the manual or
help file.

<script info start>

download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/01070700.syn,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070700.syn
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/01070701.syn,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070701.syn
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/01070702.syn,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070702.syn
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/01070703.syn,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070703.syn
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/01070704.syn,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070704.syn
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/01070705.syn,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070705.syn
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/01070706.syn,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070706.syn
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/01070707.syn,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070707.syn
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/01070708.syn,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070708.syn
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/01070709.syn,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070709.syn
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/01070710.syn,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070710.syn
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/01070711.syn,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070711.syn
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/01070712.syn,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070712.syn
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/01070713.syn,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070713.syn
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/01070714.syn,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070714.syn
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/01070715.syn,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070715.syn
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/01070716.syn,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070716.syn
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/01070717.syn,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070717.syn
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/01070718.syn,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070718.syn
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/01070719.syn,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070719.syn
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/01070720.syn,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070720.syn
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/01070721.syn,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070721.syn
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/01070722.syn,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070722.syn
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/syn/01070723.syn,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070723.syn
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/upa/01070700.upa,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070700.upa
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/upa/01070701.upa,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070701.upa
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/upa/01070702.upa,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070702.upa
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/upa/01070703.upa,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070703.upa
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/upa/01070704.upa,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070704.upa
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/upa/01070705.upa,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070705.upa
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/upa/01070706.upa,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070706.upa
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/upa/01070707.upa,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070707.upa
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/upa/01070708.upa,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070708.upa
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/upa/01070709.upa,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070709.upa
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/upa/01070710.upa,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070710.upa
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/upa/01070711.upa,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070711.upa
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/upa/01070712.upa,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070712.upa
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/upa/01070713.upa,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070713.upa
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/upa/01070714.upa,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070714.upa
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/upa/01070715.upa,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070715.upa
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/upa/01070716.upa,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070716.upa
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/upa/01070717.upa,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070717.upa
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/upa/01070718.upa,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070718.upa
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/upa/01070719.upa,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070719.upa
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/upa/01070720.upa,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070720.upa
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/upa/01070721.upa,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070721.upa
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/upa/01070722.upa,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070722.upa
download,http://weather.cod.edu/digatmos/upa/01070723.upa,D:\DA2000\DATA\01070723.upa

<script info ends>

Then, each day, all you have to do is "edit - replace" the day / time
group (ie the 0707) for each new day, ie, tomorrow, simply replace
0707 with 0708, save, and run.  Simple.

Hope this helps get you going.  Have fun.

PC
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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Feeder Band. and pos snow  northern tablelands NSW.
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 14:04:51 +1000
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Hi all.
A feeder band now coming into the southeast corner of Aus looks interesting
for the region between Orbost and Bega, may be some potential for local
heavy falls in that. Also the sat pic shows Australia with a low affecting
both the southwest corner (WA) and the southeast corner,looks better than
what we have had over the past few weeks.regards Clyve H.
PS the large area of mid and high cloud moving towards the northern
Tablelands of NSW also looks to have promise on the higher parts for some
potential snow! anybody up that way ...

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Jane wrote:
Bussie, when will Rutherglen be online? If anyone has any more please
let me know.
Hopefully in the next few weeks all going well :-)
Running Weather Display software. Anyone else running it too?

Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)

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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Feeder Band. and pos snow  northern tablelands NSW.
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Anthony rang in earlier & reported sleet at Guyra & was also hearing
static on the radio - at that time there was a weak cell west of
Bathurst.

Jane
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cadence at stormchasers.au.com

Melbourne Storm Chasers
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ASWA - Victoria
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> Hi all.
> A feeder band now coming into the southeast corner of Aus looks
interesting
> for the region between Orbost and Bega, may be some potential for
local
> heavy falls in that. Also the sat pic shows Australia with a low
affecting
> both the southwest corner (WA) and the southeast corner,looks better
than
> what we have had over the past few weeks.regards Clyve H.
> PS the large area of mid and high cloud moving towards the northern
> Tablelands of NSW also looks to have promise on the higher parts for
some
> potential snow! anybody up that way ...
>
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Subject: aus-wx: BSCH
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Hey Ben,

I'm playing around with data at the moment and making graphs ect. If you
could send me a list of all storm days inSE QLD for 2000/20001 i'd be
intersted in having a play with it.

Anyway, i'll send you some info to have a look at asap.

Adam

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Subject: aus-wx: Northern Tablelands snow
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<x-flowed>
Hi All,

Just back from the weekend SDS get together on the Northern Tablelands with 
8 chasers from Sydney, Brisbane, Newcastle and me from the Northern Rivers.

Wow - we sure picked the perfect weekend - snow both days!

Saturday started with some light falls on the higher peaks of the Ben 
Lomond Range before dawn. We managed to get ice grains, sleet and then snow 
from 10.45am with the temp hovering around the 2 degree mark. This was the 
first time I can ever remember seeing snow fall since I was about 10 years 
old ! It was great and lasted till about noon.

Today was much better and we expected it to be after hearing the forecasts 
and weather set up during Sat evening. We left out motel at Armidale just 
after 7am and headed north along the New England Highway. Snow was very 
obvious as we headed into higher ground at Black Mountain about 20km north 
of Armidale. The convoy of six cars pressed on to Ben Lomond where there 
was quite an accumulation of snow on the ground and trees. It was very 
exciting and we were soon very excited as large snow flakes come tumbling 
down! It was just great, but we wanted more so headed a little west to a 
spot on a sheep paddock we found the day before. The ground was covered 
here - it was just beautiful. But it was bloody cold - temp dropped to 
around -0.5 and hovered there while we were blessed with many showers of 
snow. Of course the snow fights started and the standard snow Jimmy was 
made, but only a small one.

We headed south to Guyra for a late breakfast at 10am. The whole drive 
there was moderate snow and the heaviest shower of snow fell while we were 
at the roadhouse. Just amazing.

Later we drove around a bit more but much had melted and only some showers 
of sleet persisted till about 1.30pm.  A great weekend !

regards, Michael



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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
To: "Aussie-wx" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: aus-wx: Victorian ASWA meeting
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 18:39:15 +1000
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The next meeting of ASWA Victoria will commence:

8.30am Saturday 14th July
The Pancake Parlour - meeting room
550 Doncaster Road
Doncaster

Agenda

1.    Breakfast & bragging
-    photos, video & pancakes
-    a selection of Victorian MSL charts donated by the BoM will be
available from significant weather days between October 1999 & December
2000 (if there's a date that particularly interests you. let me know &
I'll bring it along as well)

2.    ASWA Annual General Meeting

3.    Significant weather discussion: nomadic cold pools

4.    Guest Speaker: Greg Roff
Topic: INSIDE THE VORTEX!!
For obvious reasons there have been very few first-hand accounts of what
it is like inside a tornado. However, using results from theory,
observations, laboratory experiments and numerical models this talk will
explore the interior of tornadoes and waterspouts as it is currently
understood.

Members & visitors welcome!  Bring your appetite!!

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Paul Yole
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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: WEATHER: Storms off NSW Coast
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They must have been a long way off or obscured by the middle layer cloud as
it is rather benign here in Wollongong.

Michael


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From: "Harald Richter" <h.richter at bom.gov.au>
To: "Aussie Weather" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Friday, 6 July 2001 10:26
Subject: aus-wx: WEATHER: Storms off NSW Coast


>
> Good morning,
>
> I am surprised that nobody has mentioned the line of fairly
> active thunderstorms just off the entire length of the NSW coast.
> The leading edge of the upper-level cold pool is overspreading
> warm SSTs (~20 C) here, resulting in the best electric show that we've
> had for weeks (months?).  The SSY (upstream) sounding is moist adiabatic
> up to the tropopause around 350 hPa.  Putting a 20/20 optimistic
> surface parcel (assumed in equilibrium with the average SSTs) under
> that profile delivers a fair amount of CAPE, possibly several
> thousand J/kg using eyeball technology.  Flow aloft is moderate,
> not entirely excluding an isolated embedded supercell in that line.
>
> Cheers,  Harald
>
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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Cold, wet outbreak for Thurs/Fri?
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 19:14:48 +1000
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Good grief. I posted this message nearly a week ago and have just received
it on the list. What is happening?

Laurier


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> Williams
> Sent: Tuesday, 03 July, 2001 7:23 PM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: RE: aus-wx: Cold, wet outbreak for Thurs/Fri?
>
>
> Sorry for the duplicate posts, folks. Email client running away out of
> control....:)
>
> Laurier
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Laurier
> > Williams
> > Sent: Monday, 02 July, 2001 1:21 PM
> > To: Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com
> > Subject: aus-wx: Cold, wet outbreak for Thurs/Fri?
> >
> >
> > The EC now agrees with GASP and MRF in predicting a moderately
> > cold outbreak
> > over Vic and NSW for late Thursday or Friday. The
> circumstances, however,
> > are unusual, and there's a chance of snow along the eastern parts of the
> > Great Divide in NSW, and possibly widespread in Victoria.
> >
> > All three models are consistent in predicting a low to form south of New
> > Caledonia and east of Brisbane during Wednesday, then to move
> > steadily SW to
> > eastern Bass Strait by late Friday before shifting away to the E or SE.
> > Meantime, a high in the Bight ridging SE will drag colder air up
> > from around
> > 50S over the southeast. Differences in treatment start to appear here.
> >
> > EC has a substantial cold pool with central thickness of 534 over about
> > Young at 12z Thursday, then washes out to a broad upper trough
> lying from
> > Adelaide to Brisbane around 542 by 12z Friday. EC drops the
> surface low to
> > ~990hPa just east of Gabo Island 12z Friday, then moves it
> slowly east and
> > deepening on Sat keeping winds mostly SW over Vic and NSW.
> >
> > GASP develops 2 low centres by Thursday night, one south of Lord Howe
> > Island, and another south of Adelaide, which have merged into a
> 994 low in
> > eastern Bass Strait by Friday night. Consequently, the colder air tracks
> > farther west and north, with a central thickness of 532 over Adelaide on
> > Thursday night and 531 over the western Northern Tablelands of
> > NSW by Friday
> > night. Winds over Vic and NSW are mostly westerly, but GASP has
> 10 to 40mm
> > of precip over eastern Vic and the NSW Southern Tablelands for
> > the 48 hours
> > to Sat night, and 5 to 15 up into the Central Tablelands. Snow
> hounds will
> > be cheering on the local model!
> >
> > MRF keeps the low farther east and shallower, but still has Victoria and
> > much of southern and central NSW sub-540 thickness by Friday
> > morning. Precip
> > totals are pretty light, however, in a SW flow. NOGAPS is similar, but
> > doesn't develop a low centre; rather has a deep trough
> extending down the
> > NSW coast at this time, and, like MRF, little precip.
> >
> > Significantly, none of the models has any SW or S jet development
> > during the
> > period, so it won't be a true polar outbreak as air will mostly
> > be arriving
> > from around 50S. However, the potential for interaction between
> > the ECL and
> > colder air at last gives us something interesting to watch.
> >
> > Laurier Williams
> > Australian Weather News
> > http://www.australianweathernews.com
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http://www.australianweathernews.com/pub/$NOTESYN.TXT

63 C Tabld| 08\09 Oberon Jen 8 8/15 SW 5 / / 250/03   01.1  -00.2
02    - 7   00    + 0             /         .4 /24  .2 /18 70**2:2
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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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Both this mornings LAPS and mesoLAPS have substantial precip (15-25mm) on
the NSW NW Slopes, Plains and Tablelands tonight. The radar already shows a
large rain area over and east of Moree/Narrabri. Given the cold conditions
currently on the N Tablelands (forecast to continue) there could be some
interesting snowfalls there tonight. It was 2.5 at Glen Innes at 6pm.

I also wouldn't rule out a fall overnight on the Blue Mtns. 6pm temp at Mt
Boyce was 2.1, and sinking like an anchor under clear skies. However,
mesoLAPS turns the windflow gently onshore from late this evening, and radar
shows showers east of a line running NE from Nowra. There have also been
isolated moderate showers popping up all over today -- Forbes had 3.8mm,
Parkes 3.4, Mudgee 4.2 and Nullo Mtn (Upper Hunter) 7.2 9am to 6pm, and the
sky at sunset at Blackheath had remnants of Cb to the north and west.

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Lyle

You've probably worked it out from Peter's response, but for the record, the
obs you want are in the files for the following hours UTC:

Surface:

WA: 01 04 07 10 13 16 19 22 (The 9am data is 01utc)
The rest: 02 05 08 11 14 17 20 23 (The 9am data is 23utc)

During daylight saving, the relevant eastern states migrate to 1 hour
earlier UTC.
NZ (which you need if you're plotting the Tasman) is standard at 00, 03 ..
21, but migrates 1 hour earlier during DST
If you want ship obs, you need to get the 00, 03, ... 21. The greatest
number of ship obs are on the main synoptic hours (00, 06, 12, 18), with
fewer on the intermediate synoptic hours (03, 09, 15, 21)

If you look in the data files with a text editor, Australian surface obs are
in the bulletins headed SNAU. The S = Surface, N = Non-standard hour. SM =
Surface/Main, SI = Surface/Intermediate.

I find it easiest to put a whole group of obs in (say 22, 23, 00, 01, 02
etc), then select the hours I want from the manual selection box on the
toolbar.

However, some care is needed. There are bulletins of Australian automatic wx
stations included in SMAU and SIAU files at 00, 03, 06...21 by some of the
sites, so if, for example, you include 23 and 00 files in a plot (to get
eastern Australia + ships), you may get double sets of data plotted for some
stations.

Hope this helps

Laurier


Upper air:

The only ones worth getting are the 00 and 12utc files. Even though our
upper obs are done at 23utc (22utc during dst), they still go into the 00
and 12 files.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Lyle Pakula
> Sent: Saturday, 07 July, 2001 3:38 AM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: surface obs plotting program
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I downloaded that software and retreive the worldwide data but it won't
> plot. It teels me there is no data for my region or for the
> observation time
> i chose. Is there a way of knowing what data you have? Seems like th eold
> fashioned way, get the charts off the web, is probbaly more reliable??
> Cheers, Lyle
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 4:08 PM
> Subject: RE: aus-wx: surface obs plotting program
>
>
> > Lyle,
> >
> > I've used Tim Vasquez's Digital Atmosphere for several years and believe
> > it's the best. Details at http://www.weathergraphics.com/
> >
> > You use data from Florida State University and several other sites, and
> can
> > have a plotted, analysed map ready ~20 mins after obs time.
> >
> > Laurier
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Lyle Pakula
> > > Sent: Friday, 06 July, 2001 7:55 AM
> > > To: aus-wx
> > > Subject: aus-wx: surface obs plotting program
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I know i have asked this before but recevied no reply, so i'm not sure
> if
> > > maybe the message didn't get thorugh or something ;/
> > >
> > > Anyway, it's really frustrating not having the surface obs
> plotted so to
> > > pick out surface lows etc. Does anyone know of any resource, software,
> > > anything, that could do this?
> > >
> > > It would be much appreciated!
> > >
> > > Thanks, Lyle
> > >
> > >
> > >     |
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> > >     .  fax:   +1 (970) 491 8166                /~~~~/       /  \
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From: "Lindsay Pearce" <violin at lisp.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Snow tonight
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 22:00:47 +1000
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Yes Laurier I was wondering about prospects tonight myself. I just walked up
to the local IGA store (about 1.5ks return from my house) and was surprised
how quickly the temp has dropped. At 10pm, I've got 0.5C here and there is
frost right across my back yard and over car roofs in the streets, too.

Lindsay Pearce
Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
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 http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/blackhth.htm
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Subject: aus-wx: Snow tonight


> Both this mornings LAPS and mesoLAPS have substantial precip (15-25mm) on
> the NSW NW Slopes, Plains and Tablelands tonight. The radar already shows
a
> large rain area over and east of Moree/Narrabri. Given the cold conditions
> currently on the N Tablelands (forecast to continue) there could be some
> interesting snowfalls there tonight. It was 2.5 at Glen Innes at 6pm.
>
> I also wouldn't rule out a fall overnight on the Blue Mtns. 6pm temp at Mt
> Boyce was 2.1, and sinking like an anchor under clear skies. However,
> mesoLAPS turns the windflow gently onshore from late this evening, and
radar
> shows showers east of a line running NE from Nowra. There have also been
> isolated moderate showers popping up all over today -- Forbes had 3.8mm,
> Parkes 3.4, Mudgee 4.2 and Nullo Mtn (Upper Hunter) 7.2 9am to 6pm, and
the
> sky at sunset at Blackheath had remnants of Cb to the north and west.
>
> Laurier
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Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 00:12:58 +1000
From: Andrew Miskelly <amiskelly at ozemail.com.au>
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It seems to be an Ozemail thing. I have had alot of these problems
myself.

Andrew.


Laurier Williams wrote:
> 
> Good grief. I posted this message nearly a week ago and have just received
> it on the list. What is happening?
> 
> Laurier
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Laurier
> > Williams
> > Sent: Tuesday, 03 July, 2001 7:23 PM
> > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Subject: RE: aus-wx: Cold, wet outbreak for Thurs/Fri?
> >
> >
> > Sorry for the duplicate posts, folks. Email client running away out of
> > control....:)
> >
> > Laurier
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Laurier
> > > Williams
> > > Sent: Monday, 02 July, 2001 1:21 PM
> > > To: Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com
> > > Subject: aus-wx: Cold, wet outbreak for Thurs/Fri?
> > >
> > >
> > > The EC now agrees with GASP and MRF in predicting a moderately
> > > cold outbreak
> > > over Vic and NSW for late Thursday or Friday. The
> > circumstances, however,
> > > are unusual, and there's a chance of snow along the eastern parts of the
> > > Great Divide in NSW, and possibly widespread in Victoria.
> > >
> > > All three models are consistent in predicting a low to form south of New
> > > Caledonia and east of Brisbane during Wednesday, then to move
> > > steadily SW to
> > > eastern Bass Strait by late Friday before shifting away to the E or SE.
> > > Meantime, a high in the Bight ridging SE will drag colder air up
> > > from around
> > > 50S over the southeast. Differences in treatment start to appear here.
> > >
> > > EC has a substantial cold pool with central thickness of 534 over about
> > > Young at 12z Thursday, then washes out to a broad upper trough
> > lying from
> > > Adelaide to Brisbane around 542 by 12z Friday. EC drops the
> > surface low to
> > > ~990hPa just east of Gabo Island 12z Friday, then moves it
> > slowly east and
> > > deepening on Sat keeping winds mostly SW over Vic and NSW.
> > >
> > > GASP develops 2 low centres by Thursday night, one south of Lord Howe
> > > Island, and another south of Adelaide, which have merged into a
> > 994 low in
> > > eastern Bass Strait by Friday night. Consequently, the colder air tracks
> > > farther west and north, with a central thickness of 532 over Adelaide on
> > > Thursday night and 531 over the western Northern Tablelands of
> > > NSW by Friday
> > > night. Winds over Vic and NSW are mostly westerly, but GASP has
> > 10 to 40mm
> > > of precip over eastern Vic and the NSW Southern Tablelands for
> > > the 48 hours
> > > to Sat night, and 5 to 15 up into the Central Tablelands. Snow
> > hounds will
> > > be cheering on the local model!
> > >
> > > MRF keeps the low farther east and shallower, but still has Victoria and
> > > much of southern and central NSW sub-540 thickness by Friday
> > > morning. Precip
> > > totals are pretty light, however, in a SW flow. NOGAPS is similar, but
> > > doesn't develop a low centre; rather has a deep trough
> > extending down the
> > > NSW coast at this time, and, like MRF, little precip.
> > >
> > > Significantly, none of the models has any SW or S jet development
> > > during the
> > > period, so it won't be a true polar outbreak as air will mostly
> > > be arriving
> > > from around 50S. However, the potential for interaction between
> > > the ECL and
> > > colder air at last gives us something interesting to watch.
> > >
> > > Laurier Williams
> > > Australian Weather News
> > > http://www.australianweathernews.com
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Hi All.

Below are some aftermath reports I recieved about Typhoon Feria -Utor
(06w). The first one is from the Philippines (Typhoon Feria), the other
from China (Severe Tropical Storm Utor).

The reason for the two names being given to the same system is that the
Philippines asigns it's own names to cyclones that are within it's region.

Regards,
Carl.
__________________________________________________________________________

From Michael Padua : PHILIPPINES:

TYPHOON FERIA's AFTERMATH REPORT NO. 01 (PARTIAL):
As of 3:30 pm Manila Time (07:30 utc), July 08, 2001
Source: Office of Civil Defense (thru  http://www.inq7.net )

DEATHS:  121
INJURED:  130
MISSING:  44
PEOPLE DISPLACED:  829,476
TOTAL DAMAGE (AGRI & PROPERTY):  1.08 BILLION PESOS (20.76 MILLION DOLLARS)

SUMMARY:

(1)  BAGUIO CITY (Popular Mountain Resort) still submerged in flood waters
with electricity still cut...Major Highways still closed due to landslides,
floods, and fallen trees... It is considered as the worst flood in 20
years...
(2)  Record breaker:  FERIA broke the record -- dumping 1,085.8 mm. of
rainfall on July 04  at  Baguio City...beating Typhoon ILIANG's record of
994.6 mm. in 1998. The rainfall this week exceeded  Baguio Weather Bureau's
anticipated target of  838.4 mm for 26 days in July.

__________________________________________________________________________

From Huang Chunliang : CHINA:

Severe tropical storm Utor made landfall between Huidong and Haifeng of
Guangdong Province with 10-min MSW of 30m/s (970 hpa) at 07:50am, July 6
(Beijin Time).

Here is the damage report from XINHUA NET (08/07/2001):

Typhoon Utor has killed three people and razed 4,700 houses in south
China's Guangdong Province, according to the latest reports.  Some 5.6
million people have had their everyday lives disrupted by the  typhoon. A
provincial official estimated the economic losses caused by Utor at 2.1
billion yuan (US$253 million).

Rainstorms have hit most parts of eastern Guangdong, bringing the water
level of many rivers to the highest in history. Some buildings and power
installations in Meizhou and Huizhou cities have been inundated.

Power and water supplies have been cut off in Chaozhou City, one of the
most seriously affected areas. Breaches are reported in some river dykes.
Fifteen fishing vessels have sunk, and 30,000 ha of crops have been
destroyed, causing a total economic loss of 370 million yuan (US$42.53
million).

Provincial officials have taken emergency measures to reduce the losses to
the minimum, sending five work teams to Shantou, Jieyang, Huizhou, Meizhou
and Shanwei, respectively, to organize rescue efforts.


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<x-flowed>
The New England Highway was blocked because of snow between Armidale and 
Glen Innes after 5 to 7cm of snow which commenced about 9pm last night.

MB

At 19:12 08/07/2001 +1000, you wrote:
>Both this mornings LAPS and mesoLAPS have substantial precip (15-25mm) on
>the NSW NW Slopes, Plains and Tablelands tonight. The radar already shows a
>large rain area over and east of Moree/Narrabri. Given the cold conditions
>currently on the N Tablelands (forecast to continue) there could be some
>interesting snowfalls there tonight. It was 2.5 at Glen Innes at 6pm.
>
>I also wouldn't rule out a fall overnight on the Blue Mtns. 6pm temp at Mt
>Boyce was 2.1, and sinking like an anchor under clear skies. However,
>mesoLAPS turns the windflow gently onshore from late this evening, and radar
>shows showers east of a line running NE from Nowra. There have also been
>isolated moderate showers popping up all over today -- Forbes had 3.8mm,
>Parkes 3.4, Mudgee 4.2 and Nullo Mtn (Upper Hunter) 7.2 9am to 6pm, and the
>sky at sunset at Blackheath had remnants of Cb to the north and west.
>
>Laurier
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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Snow tonight
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:55:00 +1000
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No overnight snow on the 9am reports on the NSW Central Tablelands, but
Guyra reports 7cm on the ground.

Laurier

> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Lindsay
> Pearce
> Sent: Sunday, 08 July, 2001 10:01 PM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Snow tonight
>
>
> Yes Laurier I was wondering about prospects tonight myself. I
> just walked up
> to the local IGA store (about 1.5ks return from my house) and was
> surprised
> how quickly the temp has dropped. At 10pm, I've got 0.5C here and there is
> frost right across my back yard and over car roofs in the streets, too.
>
> Lindsay Pearce
> Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
> Email: violin at lisp.com.au
> Blackheath Weather:
>  http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/blackhth.htm
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
> To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 7:12 PM
> Subject: aus-wx: Snow tonight
>
>
> > Both this mornings LAPS and mesoLAPS have substantial precip
> (15-25mm) on
> > the NSW NW Slopes, Plains and Tablelands tonight. The radar
> already shows
> a
> > large rain area over and east of Moree/Narrabri. Given the cold
> conditions
> > currently on the N Tablelands (forecast to continue) there could be some
> > interesting snowfalls there tonight. It was 2.5 at Glen Innes at 6pm.
> >
> > I also wouldn't rule out a fall overnight on the Blue Mtns. 6pm
> temp at Mt
> > Boyce was 2.1, and sinking like an anchor under clear skies. However,
> > mesoLAPS turns the windflow gently onshore from late this evening, and
> radar
> > shows showers east of a line running NE from Nowra. There have also been
> > isolated moderate showers popping up all over today -- Forbes had 3.8mm,
> > Parkes 3.4, Mudgee 4.2 and Nullo Mtn (Upper Hunter) 7.2 9am to 6pm, and
> the
> > sky at sunset at Blackheath had remnants of Cb to the north and west.
> >
> > Laurier
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From: "John Woodbridge" <jrw at pixelcom.net>
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Hi All,

Sorry for the late post on this...

Thunder and hail (1cm)  at  Sumner, SE QLD Friday 1:30pm from a very local
cell.  Here is view of cell after it passed away to the SE:

www.pixelcom.net/jrw/stormpic/Stm060701.jpg

And a closer view with a hail shaft just evident:

www.pixelcom.net/jrw/stormpic/Stm060701b.jpg

Some much better dev was evident just off the coast in the late afternoon.

Very cold Sunday morning  at  Mt. Crosby, down to 2.6C

brrrr

John.

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Subject: [paa-teachers] Fw: aus-wx: Typhoon Feria-Utor (06w) aftermath
reports
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 11:00:20 +1000
From: Sel Kerans <skerans at mail.cth.com.au>
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Hello all,

Quite shocking news about the Typhoon Utor which I have been sending 
URL's to this list about, so you can follow it...

Read on...

Sel
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Hi All.

Below are some aftermath reports I recieved about Typhoon Feria -Utor
(06w). The first one is from the Philippines (Typhoon Feria), the
other
from China (Severe Tropical Storm Utor).

The reason for the two names being given to the same system is that
the
Philippines asigns it's own names to cyclones that are within it's 
region.

Regards,
Carl.
________________________________________________________________________
__

>From Michael Padua : PHILIPPINES:

TYPHOON FERIA's AFTERMATH REPORT NO. 01 (PARTIAL):
As of 3:30 pm Manila Time (07:30 utc), July 08, 2001
Source: Office of Civil Defense (thru  http://www.inq7.net )

DEATHS:  121
INJURED:  130
MISSING:  44
PEOPLE DISPLACED:  829,476
TOTAL DAMAGE (AGRI & PROPERTY):  1.08 BILLION PESOS (20.76 MILLION 
DOLLARS)

SUMMARY:

(1)  BAGUIO CITY (Popular Mountain Resort) still submerged in flood 
waters
with electricity still cut...Major Highways still closed due to 
landslides,
floods, and fallen trees... It is considered as the worst flood in 20
years...
(2)  Record breaker:  FERIA broke the record -- dumping 1,085.8 mm. of
rainfall on July 04  at  Baguio City...beating Typhoon ILIANG's record of
994.6 mm. in 1998. The rainfall this week exceeded  Baguio Weather 
Bureau's
anticipated target of  838.4 mm for 26 days in July.

________________________________________________________________________
__

>From Huang Chunliang : CHINA:

Severe tropical storm Utor made landfall between Huidong and Haifeng
of
Guangdong Province with 10-min MSW of 30m/s (970 hpa) at 07:50am, July
6
(Beijin Time).

Here is the damage report from XINHUA NET (08/07/2001):

Typhoon Utor has killed three people and razed 4,700 houses in south
China's Guangdong Province, according to the latest reports.  Some 5.6
million people have had their everyday lives disrupted by the 
typhoon. 
A
provincial official estimated the economic losses caused by Utor at
2.1
billion yuan (US$253 million).

Rainstorms have hit most parts of eastern Guangdong, bringing the
water
level of many rivers to the highest in history. Some buildings and
power
installations in Meizhou and Huizhou cities have been inundated.

Power and water supplies have been cut off in Chaozhou City, one of
the
most seriously affected areas. Breaches are reported in some river 
dykes.
Fifteen fishing vessels have sunk, and 30,000 ha of crops have been
destroyed, causing a total economic loss of 370 million yuan (US$42.53
million).

Provincial officials have taken emergency measures to reduce the
losses 
to
the minimum, sending five work teams to Shantou, Jieyang, Huizhou, 
Meizhou
and Shanwei, respectively, to organize rescue efforts.





Sel Kerans
PAA Online Coordinator
Australia

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Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2001 13:49:54 -0500
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Chuck has started posting photos from his 2001 chase.  Take a look at:

http://www.nssl.noaa.gov/~doswell/chasesums/Chase_01.html

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Blackheath: Midday, Monday.

That's great for Guyra residents. There is very light drizzle here now in
Blackheath and its around 5.5C. Unfortunately, this cloud came in about six
hours too late to give us any chance of snow. Maybe next time.
Lindsay Pearce
Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
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> No overnight snow on the 9am reports on the NSW Central Tablelands, but
> Guyra reports 7cm on the ground.
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Hi all.
Warmer Tasman sea air has gradually been ingested around this low, with the
unusual situation of colder air over northern NSW than over Tasmania and
southern Vic,at the moment I have a temp of  15.8c and 95%H and a moderate
southeast flow with occasional warm rain showers from low to medium
cu.regards Clyve H (Leopold)
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> Blackheath: Midday, Monday.
>
> That's great for Guyra residents. There is very light drizzle here now in
> Blackheath and its around 5.5C. Unfortunately, this cloud came in about
six
> hours too late to give us any chance of snow. Maybe next time.
> Lindsay Pearce
> Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
> Email: violin at lisp.com.au
> Blackheath Weather:
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> The next meeting of ASWA Victoria will commence:
>
> 8.30am Saturday 14th July
> The Pancake Parlour - meeting room
> 550 Doncaster Road
> Doncaster
>
> Agenda
>
> 1.    Breakfast & bragging
> -    photos, video & pancakes
> -    a selection of Victorian MSL charts donated by the BoM will be
> available from significant weather days between October 1999 & December
> 2000 (if there's a date that particularly interests you. let me know &
> I'll bring it along as well)
>
> 2.    ASWA Annual General Meeting
>
> 3.    Significant weather discussion: nomadic cold pools
>
> 4.    Guest Speaker: Greg Roff
> Topic: INSIDE THE VORTEX!!
> For obvious reasons there have been very few first-hand accounts of what
> it is like inside a tornado. However, using results from theory,
> observations, laboratory experiments and numerical models this talk will
> explore the interior of tornadoes and waterspouts as it is currently
> understood.
>
> Members & visitors welcome!  Bring your appetite!!
>
> --------------------------------
> Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
> Paul Yole
> pyole at australia.edu
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I am a high school teacher with a science background. I was wondering if
anyone had gone to the effort of putting together a weather station that
interfaces through a PC. It doesn't have to be very elaborate...just the
basics, wind speed,direction,temp and humidity.

Any direction would be most greatful.

Jason
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There were several coldies offshore Wollongong this afternoon.

I have taken a test panorama with the new digital. It's not that impressive
a photo, but the panorama works a treat.

Also there is a shot of a nice coldie offshore

http://ozthunder.com/temp/temp.htm


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Hi Jason and those other newbies,

Welcome to the list as it is forthcoming.

Tell us more about yourselves and how you got into the weather, 
approximately where you reside eg Adelaide...

Jason, I am a teacher with a background in Mathematics and Physics and of 
course was talked into computing due to short supply but have recently gone 
back to casual teaching. Enjoying it much better now.

Thanks.

At 07:36 PM 9/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
>I am a high school teacher with a science background. I was wondering if
>anyone had gone to the effort of putting together a weather station that
>interfaces through a PC. It doesn't have to be very elaborate...just the
>basics, wind speed,direction,temp and humidity.
>
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I like it! I'm looking at eventually getting a digital myself although I am
not sure I can afford it just yet. So, comparing various cameras and their
abilities is always interesting.

Lindsay Pearce
Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
Email: violin at lisp.com.au
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 http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/blackhth.htm
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> There were several coldies offshore Wollongong this afternoon.
>
> I have taken a test panorama with the new digital. It's not that
impressive
> a photo, but the panorama works a treat.
>
> Also there is a shot of a nice coldie offshore
>
> http://ozthunder.com/temp/temp.htm
>
>
> Michael Thompson
> http://ozthunder.com
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Evening all,

A balmy 12.2C this evening meant that I walked SCD (Storm Chaser Dog) in
shirt sleeves rather than a jumper AND a jacket as you normally do in
Melbourne at this time of year... yet we in Australia's southern states
currently bask in the gentle easterly breeze from the Tasman Sea
bringing air with a relative humidity of 85% across Melbourne.  Can this
really be the depths of winter in Victoria??

Meanwhile, the low ambling across the Bight at 10knots (?) is heading E
& is cushioned by all of these highs with a tongue of warm air
originating from NW WA wrapping around it at 850hPa.  No cold outbreak
for us just at the moment I fear.........

Now if someone would shift the systems either 10deg north or south of
where they are atm, we Victorians could rejoice again....... SDS is
setting in I think........ (although I did see a 'fast anvil' today to
the NW of Melbourne).

Hey Michael T - that's a brilliant panorama!!!!! did you get lightning
last night?  Narooma & parts south reported a brilliant light show!!


Jane

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ASWA - Victoria
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From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net>
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Subject: aus-wx: James Cook Uni satellite photos
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:15:35 +1000
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<DIV><FONT size=2>Keith &amp; all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The&nbsp;main entry is at <A 
href="http://www.jcu.edu.au/metsat/"><FONT 
size=2>http://www.jcu.edu.au/metsat/</FONT></A><FONT size=2>&nbsp;which gives 
you a choice of the primary &amp; backup sites.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>This primary site's Aust image <A 
href="http://www.eng.jcu.edu.au/JCUMetSat/aushlast.gif">http://www.eng.jcu.edu.au/JCUMetSat/aushlast.gif</A>&nbsp;has 
just started working again (but if one of the sites goes down this will be the 
one that ceases to function, whereas the backup <A 
href="http://marlin.jcu.edu.au/JCUMetSat/aushlast.gif">http://marlin.jcu.edu.au/JCUMetSat/aushlast.gif</A>&nbsp;seems 
to work right through whatever glitch there may be).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>The archives <A 
href="http://www.eng.jcu.edu.au/JCUMetSat/ausv/">http://www.eng.jcu.edu.au/JCUMetSat/ausv/</A>&nbsp;also 
started working again just 2 images ago!!&nbsp; </FONT><FONT size=2>If anyone is 
after the images from the 26th June - I have most of them.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Jane</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>--------------------------------<BR>Jane ONeill - Melbourne<BR><A 
href="mailto:cadence at stormchasers.au.com">cadence at stormchasers.au.com</A>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Melbourne Storm Chasers<BR><A 
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>ASWA - Victoria<BR><A 
href="http://www.severeweather.asn.au">http://www.severeweather.asn.au</A><BR>--------------------------------</DIV></DIV>
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  <DIV 
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  <A title=kbarnett at bigpond.net href="mailto:kbarnett at bigpond.net">Keith 
  Barnett</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">aussie-weather at world.std.com</A> 
  </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 09, 2001 7:15 PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: James Cook Uni satellite 
  photos</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#000000 size=2>Does anyone know why these aren't 
  available? Is it something to do with the reduced satellite coverage by the 
  JMA? I haven't been able to download them since 26th 
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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Awesome NOAA satpix
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 01:13:16 +1000
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I'm so taken with the high definition satpix now on offer from NOAA at
http://www.saa.noaa.gov/ that I'll be putting them up during interesting
situations on Australian Weather News. First up is a simply awesome image of
the explosively developing low and trough system that gave record rainfalls
to parts of South Australia on 6 June. It is 1.4mb in size and takes a wee
while to download, but I've provided some reading material and a chart to
digest while you wait.

Thanks to Ben for putting up the stunning images that got me interested, and
giving the help that got me started. Now all I have to do is rationalise
downloading raw files of ~20 to 60mb for each image on a regular basis!

Laurier Williams
Australian Weather News
http://www.australianweathernews.com


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From: "Simon Angell" <simon at winnet.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Virus
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<P><FONT size=2>Hi all<BR><BR><FONT face=Arial>I may have sent a virus to the 
list around 10 minutes ago<BR>It has all gargled writing and an attachment 
</FONT><U><FONT face="Arial Black" color=#ff0000 size=3><STRONG><EM>DO NOT 
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From: "Paul Yole" <pyole at australia.edu>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
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<DIV><SPAN class=290575315-09072001><FONT size=2>Nothing here yet 
Simon</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=290575315-09072001><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=290575315-09072001><FONT size=2>PaulY</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  Angell<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 10 July 2001 01:30<BR><B>To:</B> 
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  Virus<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <P><FONT size=2>Hi all<BR><BR><FONT face=Arial>I may have sent a virus to the 
  list around 10 minutes ago<BR>It has all gargled writing and an attachment 
  </FONT><U><FONT face="Arial Black" color=#ff0000 size=3><STRONG><EM>DO NOT 
  OPEN</EM></STRONG></FONT></U></FONT> <STRONG><EM><U><FONT face="Arial Black" 
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From: "Simon Angell" <simon at winnet.com.au>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Virus (a bit off topic)
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<DIV><SPAN class=760220516-09072001><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yeah im hoping it 
hasn't sent. the reason i thought i may have was because i got the email and 
stuppidly open the attachment because my virus checker normally picks it up 
instantly. How ever it didnt pick it up and then I opened againg thinking it 
must not have have opened the first time but my virus checker didn't pick it up 
again. My computer then&nbsp; started to slow and my Internet connection was 
sluggish. i rebooted the computer got back on the net opened up my email and got 
a message from an address in my address book say it was an automated respone 
because i sent a messaged to to the address and it is a Post only address. I 
Never actually sent any message so i thought it could have been the attachment 
and then i alerted Aussie WX. Anyway i hope it dosent come through. i think the 
host of the list is pretty good at checking emails as i sent an email with pics 
in it a few weeks back (would have been 500-800k) and it didnt come 
through....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=760220516-09072001><FONT face=Arial 
size=2>Cheers</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=760220516-09072001><FONT face=Arial size=2>Simon 
Angell</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=760220516-09072001><FONT face=Arial size=2>Canberra 
ACT</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  aussie-weather at world.std.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: aus-wx: 
  Virus<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=290575315-09072001><FONT size=2>Nothing here yet 
  Simon</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=290575315-09072001><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=290575315-09072001><FONT size=2>PaulY</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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    Angell<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, 10 July 2001 01:30<BR><B>To:</B> 
    Aussie-Weather at World.Std.Com<BR><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: 
    Virus<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
    <P><FONT size=2>Hi all<BR><BR><FONT face=Arial>I may have sent a virus to 
    the list around 10 minutes ago<BR>It has all gargled writing and an 
    attachment </FONT><U><FONT face="Arial Black" color=#ff0000 
    size=3><STRONG><EM>DO NOT OPEN</EM></STRONG></FONT></U></FONT> 
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From: "Les Crossan" <les.crossan at virgin.net>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>, "Jane ONeill" <cadence at rubix.net.au>
Subject: aus-wx: Tornado - northern Italy
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 17:47:24 +0100
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</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
size=3></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Europe 
supercellcentral has done it again - the link below shows T2 damage in Northern 
Italy.<BR><BR></FONT><A 
href="http://www.centrometeolombardo.com/foto/temporali/speciali/trombadaria7-7-01.htm"><FONT 
face="Times New Roman" 
size=3>http://www.centrometeolombardo.com/foto/temporali/speciali/trombadaria7-7-01.htm</FONT></A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Enjoy, those with SDS ---</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Les</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Les Crossan and Christine Challen,<BR>Wallsend, 
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href="http://www.uksevereweather.org.uk">www.uksevereweather.org.uk</A><BR>Wallsend 
StormCam: <A 
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From: "Bussie" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Un-usually warm
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:51:45 +1000
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Why is it so un-usually warm at present. 6.9c at 7.30am this morning and
fairly clear skies. Should be closer to zero I would've thought.
Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)

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Hello Everyone

We are having a run of frosts here. This morning is the ninth frost in a
row at our house and this morning is the heaviest. The airport where the
weather station is, records a couple of degrees warmer probably due to
mixing and the Southern ocean a couple of kilometres west and the
harbour one kilometre east.

Chas
Strahan Tasmania

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From: Simon_Wild at hyder.com.au
Subject: RE: aus-wx: Virus (a bit off topic)
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Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:10:17 +1000
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got it here but I didn't open it.....never do with those sort of things,
most virus checkers are never as up to date as the people who create
viruses.... delete anything that looks remotely dodgy...

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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Un-usually warm
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:31:37 +1000
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Hi Bussie.
A large area of relatively warm Tasman Sea air has invaded the southeast of
Aus,sea surface temps over the Tasman are around 18c+ at the moment and is
bringing an unusual warm spell my temp has not fallen below 12c for almost 3
days,.regards Clyve H.
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> Why is it so un-usually warm at present. 6.9c at 7.30am this morning and
> fairly clear skies. Should be closer to zero I would've thought.
> Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
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Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:24:52 +1000
From: "Sel Kerans" <skerans at mail.cth.com.au>
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Hello Jason and all,

I have used with success in schools ready-made AWS set ups from 
Environdata, Warwick QLD and Monitor Sensors, Caboolture QLD.

Many of the sensors available now are 'smart' plug&play devices.

There are a range of AWS setups available, most at a nice cost but I 
believe E'data have a compact package which is more affordable.

I am also a high school teacher with background in computing and an 
interest in meteorology.

Cheers

Sel Kerans
QLD


> Hi Jason and those other newbies,
> 
> Welcome to the list as it is forthcoming.
> 
> Tell us more about yourselves and how you got into the weather, 
> approximately where you reside eg Adelaide...
> 
> Jason, I am a teacher with a background in Mathematics and Physics 
and of 
> course was talked into computing due to short supply but have 
recently gone 
> back to casual teaching. Enjoying it much better now.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> At 07:36 PM 9/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >I am a high school teacher with a science background. I was 
wondering if
> >anyone had gone to the effort of putting together a weather station 
that
> >interfaces through a PC. It doesn't have to be very elaborate...just 
the
> >basics, wind speed,direction,temp and humidity.
> >
> >Any direction would be most greatful.
> >
> >Jason
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> Jimmy Deguara
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> 
> from
> Schofields, Sydney
> NSW Australia
> 
> e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au
> 
> Web Page with Michael Bath
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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Another poss low.
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Hi all.
The weakening low moving near to Adelaide looks like it will follow a
northern track across Victoria over the next 12 hours and then combine with
the remnants of the low off southern central NSW, then reform,  this should
be interesting for the southeast of Australia, again with showers some heavy
especially in coastal areas from Victoria to central NSW,also a large area
of cloud over New Guinea is also on the move southward responding to
strengthening pre long wave north westerlies ahead of the upper trough over
central Aus.regards Clyve H.

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Hi all,

these are all giving 404s:
http://www.npmoc.navy.mil/satimages/gmsd.jpg

does anyone know the new URL if there is one ?

Michael


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From: "Mark Hardy" <mhardy at magna.com.au>
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Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:29:43 +1000
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It seems to be a secure site now. I wonder why?

Mark Hardy
The Weather Company Pty. Ltd.
http://www.theweather.com.au


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Hi all,

these are all giving 404s: http://www.npmoc.navy.mil/satimages/gmsd.jpg

does anyone know the new URL if there is one ?

Michael


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We need a translation of this Italian Bureau of Meteorology page.
http://www.centrometeolombardo.com/foto/temporali/speciali/trombadaria7-7-01.htm
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Hello all,

A great link to see storm and tornado photos and damage caused to 
property and public infrastructure:

http://www.centrometeolombardo.com/foto/temporali/speciali/trombadaria7-
7-01.htm

You may not be able to read Italian, but the photos are well worth a 
look!


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<x-flowed>
It did send through as I received it Simon. My virus checker picked it up.

Jimmy Deguara

At 02:16 AM 10/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Yeah im hoping it hasn't sent. the reason i thought i may have was because 
>i got the email and stuppidly open the attachment because my virus checker 
>normally picks it up instantly. How ever it didnt pick it up and then I 
>opened againg thinking it must not have have opened the first time but my 
>virus checker didn't pick it up again. My computer then  started to slow 
>and my Internet connection was sluggish. i rebooted the computer got back 
>on the net opened up my email and got a message from an address in my 
>address book say it was an automated respone because i sent a messaged to 
>to the address and it is a Post only address. I Never actually sent any 
>message so i thought it could have been the attachment and then i alerted 
>Aussie WX. Anyway i hope it dosent come through. i think the host of the 
>list is pretty good at checking emails as i sent an email with pics in it 
>a few weeks back (would have been 500-800k) and it didnt come through....
>
>Cheers
>Simon Angell
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>I may have sent a virus to the list around 10 minutes ago
>It has all gargled writing and an attachment DO NOT OPEN !!!!!!

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On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Peter Creswick wrote:

> We need a translation of this Italian Bureau of Meteorology page.
> http://www.centrometeolombardo.com/foto/temporali/speciali/trombadaria7-7-01.htm
> Anyone able to help ? 
> 

Plug it into:

http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr


Cheers

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Peter,

run the site through this translator.

http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn

Jane

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ASWA - Victoria
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We need a translation of this Italian Bureau of Meteorology page.
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.htm
Anyone able to help ?

PC

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Thanks Jane and Robert.  Had heard of translators but never could find
one.  Anyway, it comes out a bit "fractured" english - but
understandable.

PC

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> Peter,
> 
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> 
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> 
> Jane
> 
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> cadence at stormchasers.au.com
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> We need a translation of this Italian Bureau of Meteorology page.
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http://www.npmoc.navy.mil/satimages/gmsd.jpg

worked for me (other than the no image part because of the satellite)

Jane
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Melbourne Storm Chasers
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ASWA - Victoria
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Hi all,

these are all giving 404s:
http://www.npmoc.navy.mil/satimages/gmsd.jpg

does anyone know the new URL if there is one ?

Michael


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Definitely doesn't work for me at 12.10pm EST Tuesday Jane. What time did
you try it?

Laurier

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>
> http://www.npmoc.navy.mil/satimages/gmsd.jpg
>
> worked for me (other than the no image part because of the satellite)
>
> Jane
> ---------------------------------------
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> cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
> Melbourne Storm Chasers
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> ASWA - Victoria
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>
>
> Hi all,
>
> these are all giving 404s:
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>
> does anyone know the new URL if there is one ?
>
> Michael
>
>
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<x-flowed>
I'm still get the 404s even after copying the link below, and trying the 
shift reload. Anyone else have the problem ?

MB

At 11:47 10/07/2001 +1000, you wrote:
>http://www.npmoc.navy.mil/satimages/gmsd.jpg
>
>worked for me (other than the no image part because of the satellite)
>
>Jane
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>http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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>
>
>Hi all,
>
>these are all giving 404s:
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>
>does anyone know the new URL if there is one ?
>
>Michael
>
>
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I'll be there Jane as long as the car behaves itself, now how much is it to 
join up? 30 bucks?

Cheers Les
Ps I have a few books on the Wx which are in the car if anyone wants to have 
a look, hmmm should see if my brother will let me lend me his digital vid 
cam :)



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>Subject: aus-wx: Victorian ASWA meeting
>Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 18:39:15 +1000
>
>The next meeting of ASWA Victoria will commence:
>
>8.30am Saturday 14th July
>The Pancake Parlour - meeting room
>550 Doncaster Road
>Doncaster
>
>Agenda
>
>1.    Breakfast & bragging
>-    photos, video & pancakes
>-    a selection of Victorian MSL charts donated by the BoM will be
>available from significant weather days between October 1999 & December
>2000 (if there's a date that particularly interests you. let me know &
>I'll bring it along as well)
>
>2.    ASWA Annual General Meeting
>
>3.    Significant weather discussion: nomadic cold pools
>
>4.    Guest Speaker: Greg Roff
>Topic: INSIDE THE VORTEX!!
>For obvious reasons there have been very few first-hand accounts of what
>it is like inside a tornado. However, using results from theory,
>observations, laboratory experiments and numerical models this talk will
>explore the interior of tornadoes and waterspouts as it is currently
>understood.
>
>Members & visitors welcome!  Bring your appetite!!
>
>--------------------------------
>Jane ONeill - Melbourne
>cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
>Paul Yole
>pyole at australia.edu
>
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I bet Jimmy is on the road now.  Got a good view of some towers going
up west of Parramatta in the last 30 min or so (11:45 - 12:15)

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Nor me, earlier or now.  On chasing the URL backwards, it says "server
requires you to use SSL".
Hence, looks like site has been restricted, so you probably need a
login / password.
It is a US Navy site that did previously have both open to the public
and restricted areas.
Perhaps they have had a hacker attack or something.
Anyway, scratch one more source.

PC

Laurier Williams wrote:
> 
> Definitely doesn't work for me at 12.10pm EST Tuesday Jane. What time did
> you try it?
> 
> Laurier
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jane ONeill
> > Sent: Tuesday, 10 July, 2001 11:47 AM
> > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Subject: RE: aus-wx: GMSD
> >
> >
> > http://www.npmoc.navy.mil/satimages/gmsd.jpg
> >
> > worked for me (other than the no image part because of the satellite)
> >
> > Jane
> > ---------------------------------------
> > Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> > cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> >
> > Melbourne Storm Chasers
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> >
> > ASWA - Victoria
> > http://www.severeweather.asn.au
> > ---------------------------------------
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael Bath
> > Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2001 10:12
> > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Subject: aus-wx: GMSD
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > these are all giving 404s:
> > http://www.npmoc.navy.mil/satimages/gmsd.jpg
> >
> > does anyone know the new URL if there is one ?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
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<x-flowed>
No I am not on the road but you are correct some interesting towers 
developing. I detect it is the typical cold air aloft causing sufficient 
instability to cause larger cumulus. I was surprised when a cumulonimbus 
developed to our east definitely onland somewhere near the coast and 
remained active for some time. This is what made me realise that there was 
some sufficiently unstable air around. I would expect some showers possibly 
heavy ones and then stabilisation occurring later.

Jimmy Deguara

At 12:16 PM 10/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
>I bet Jimmy is on the road now.  Got a good view of some towers going
>up west of Parramatta in the last 30 min or so (11:45 - 12:15)
>
>PC
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from
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NSW Australia

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Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:38:11 +1000
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The message on the root server says

This Server requires you to use SSL.
https://pzal.npmoc.navy.mil

I notice that the US NPMOC Yokosuka site in Japan did the same thing a
couple of weeks ago -- they had the best brace of Vis/WV/IR images of
Australia. I could still access the site, but it requires exchanging
certificates and I found navigation difficult and automatic downloading
impossible. I suspect it is a move to restrict entry to .mil users.

Laurier


> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael Bath
> Sent: Tuesday, 10 July, 2001 10:12 AM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: aus-wx: GMSD
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> these are all giving 404s:
> http://www.npmoc.navy.mil/satimages/gmsd.jpg
>
> does anyone know the new URL if there is one ?
>
> Michael
>
>
>   =============================================================
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OK guys, I found it.  Looks like they changed the site URL, but the
GMS sectors a, b, c and d are NOT available.  I wonder why ?  Very
strange.  Anyway, have a look at it and see what you think.
http://www.npmoc-sd.navy.mil/products/products.htm



Laurier Williams wrote:
> 
> Definitely doesn't work for me at 12.10pm EST Tuesday Jane. What time did
> you try it?
> 
> Laurier
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jane ONeill
> > Sent: Tuesday, 10 July, 2001 11:47 AM
> > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Subject: RE: aus-wx: GMSD
> >
> >
> > http://www.npmoc.navy.mil/satimages/gmsd.jpg
> >
> > worked for me (other than the no image part because of the satellite)
> >
> > Jane
> > ---------------------------------------
> > Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> > cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> >
> > Melbourne Storm Chasers
> > http://www.stormchasers.au.com
> >
> > ASWA - Victoria
> > http://www.severeweather.asn.au
> > ---------------------------------------
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael Bath
> > Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2001 10:12
> > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Subject: aus-wx: GMSD
> >
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > these are all giving 404s:
> > http://www.npmoc.navy.mil/satimages/gmsd.jpg
> >
> > does anyone know the new URL if there is one ?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >   =============================================================
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> >   McLeans Ridges    http://australiasevereweather.com/
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Just started to rain here - light - 2mmph stuff - smak on 13:30
PC

Jimmy Deguara wrote:
> 
> No I am not on the road but you are correct some interesting towers
> developing. I detect it is the typical cold air aloft causing sufficient
> instability to cause larger cumulus. I was surprised when a cumulonimbus
> developed to our east definitely onland somewhere near the coast and
> remained active for some time. This is what made me realise that there was
> some sufficiently unstable air around. I would expect some showers possibly
> heavy ones and then stabilisation occurring later.
> 
> Jimmy Deguara
> 
> At 12:16 PM 10/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >I bet Jimmy is on the road now.  Got a good view of some towers going
> >up west of Parramatta in the last 30 min or so (11:45 - 12:15)
> >
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> -----------------------------------------
> Jimmy Deguara
> Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
> 
> from
> Schofields, Sydney
> NSW Australia
> 
> e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au
> 
> Web Page with Michael Bath
> 
> Australian Severe Weather Home Page
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> 
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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:34:32 +1000
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There has been a very active area off the NSW South Coast from Jervis Bay
south for about the past 15 hours. It was generating good lightning returns
last night, but that seems to have died now. Cloud top temps off Ulladulla
at 7am were -55 which on the 20z Sydney sounding was around 280hPa/~10km and
just on the tropo -- the sounding was just unstable, but unstable all the
way up. Ulladulla had 57mm 24h to 9am and Moruya 13mm 9 to 12, but by the
satpix and radar, the heaviest falls are offshore in tight heavy showers.
That seems to be changing now, with the 12.30EST satpix showing the area
extending up the coast (but still to seawards), but the current radar has a
broad area of showers/rain extending from Moruya to Gosford, and just
starting to move in over the coast from the SE. One sharp shower (about 3
pixels of pink) has taken an hour to cross the Kurnell Peninsula and Botany
Bay, so they're not moving too quickly.

Laurier


> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Jimmy Deguara
> Sent: Tuesday, 10 July, 2001 1:04 PM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Towers over western sydney
>
>
> No I am not on the road but you are correct some interesting towers
> developing. I detect it is the typical cold air aloft causing sufficient
> instability to cause larger cumulus. I was surprised when a cumulonimbus
> developed to our east definitely onland somewhere near the coast and
> remained active for some time. This is what made me realise that
> there was
> some sufficiently unstable air around. I would expect some
> showers possibly
> heavy ones and then stabilisation occurring later.
>
> Jimmy Deguara
>
> At 12:16 PM 10/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >I bet Jimmy is on the road now.  Got a good view of some towers going
> >up west of Parramatta in the last 30 min or so (11:45 - 12:15)
> >
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> -----------------------------------------
> Jimmy Deguara
> Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
>
> from
> Schofields, Sydney
> NSW Australia
>
> e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au
>
> Web Page with Michael Bath
>
> Australian Severe Weather Home Page
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>
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From: "Lindsay Pearce" <violin at lisp.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Oberon Snow Pics are up.
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:44:11 +1000
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G'day all,

Oberon snow piccys are up from last Fridays fall. 

http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/picture2.htm

Enjoy.

Lindsay Pearce
Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
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Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:41:33 +1000
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Small CB just developed off the coast of Newcastle, cumulus has increased and
there are some small towers poking up a little higher... I agree with Jimmy some
heavy showers overnight and into tomorrow are a good possibility.

I have another new email addy since the last ISP was not very good. New one is
tornado at cnn.net.au

Matthew Smith

Jimmy Deguara wrote:

> No I am not on the road but you are correct some interesting towers
> developing. I detect it is the typical cold air aloft causing sufficient
> instability to cause larger cumulus. I was surprised when a cumulonimbus
> developed to our east definitely onland somewhere near the coast and
> remained active for some time. This is what made me realise that there was
> some sufficiently unstable air around. I would expect some showers possibly
> heavy ones and then stabilisation occurring later.
>
> Jimmy Deguara
>
> At 12:16 PM 10/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >I bet Jimmy is on the road now.  Got a good view of some towers going
> >up west of Parramatta in the last 30 min or so (11:45 - 12:15)
> >
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> -----------------------------------------
> Jimmy Deguara
> Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
>
> from
> Schofields, Sydney
> NSW Australia
>
> e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au
>
> Web Page with Michael Bath
>
> Australian Severe Weather Home Page
> http://www.australiasevereweather.com
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:58:29 +1000
From: Matthew Smith <tornado at cnn.net.au>
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Great photos lindsay ! Snow is very photogenic stuff.

Matt Smith

Lindsay Pearce wrote:

> G'day all,
>
> Oberon snow piccys are up from last Fridays fall.
>
> http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/picture2.htm
>
> Enjoy.
>
> Lindsay Pearce
> Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
> Email: violin at lisp.com.au
> Blackheath Weather:
>  http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/blackhth.htm
>
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From: "islesit" <islesit at tpg.com.au>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Towers over western sydney
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:11:24 +1000
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Somebody asked for some info from new users.

My name is Ian Isles and I live at Coffs Harbour. This is a great place to
catch those afternoon thunderstorms in October - January every year.

Ive been interested in weather , especially storms etc most of my life.
Always enjoy a good storm. Growing up as kid in Coffs you would see these
huge storm cells building over the land west and southwest of Coffs Harbour.
Then about 2.00pm they would come on through.

In my first 20 years I lived overlooking the sea. At night you would have
these tremendous lightning shows from all that days storms.

Ill try and bring you anything unusual from the Mid north coast of NSW.

Overnight minimum last night 7.6cm

Best wishes

Ian Isles

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Small CB just developed off the coast of Newcastle, cumulus has increased
and
there are some small towers poking up a little higher... I agree with Jimmy
some
heavy showers overnight and into tomorrow are a good possibility.

I have another new email addy since the last ISP was not very good. New one
is
tornado at cnn.net.au

Matthew Smith

Jimmy Deguara wrote:

> No I am not on the road but you are correct some interesting towers
> developing. I detect it is the typical cold air aloft causing sufficient
> instability to cause larger cumulus. I was surprised when a cumulonimbus
> developed to our east definitely onland somewhere near the coast and
> remained active for some time. This is what made me realise that there was
> some sufficiently unstable air around. I would expect some showers
possibly
> heavy ones and then stabilisation occurring later.
>
> Jimmy Deguara
>
> At 12:16 PM 10/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >I bet Jimmy is on the road now.  Got a good view of some towers going
> >up west of Parramatta in the last 30 min or so (11:45 - 12:15)
> >
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Subject: aus-wx:   Rain at Mona Vale  NSW   -  Tuesday 10th July
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Just emptied the rain gauge and found that we have had 27.5 mm between 9.30
am and 1.00 pm.

It had to happen to us, after all the nice sunny DRY days we have a painter
just started working on the outside of the house!!!!!

Judy Mayo.

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Yes nice pics. My favourite is the first one with those nice pine trees and 
snow

I have yet to see lots of snow piled like that.

Cheers

Jimmy Deguara

At 01:44 PM 10/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
>G'day all,
>
>Oberon snow piccys are up from last Fridays fall.
>
>http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/picture2.htm
>
>Enjoy.
>
>Lindsay Pearce
>Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
>Email: violin at lisp.com.au
>Blackheath Weather:
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Victorian ASWA meeting
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$33.00 will do you.

Jane

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I'll be there Jane as long as the car behaves itself, now how much is it to
join up? 30 bucks?

Cheers Les
Ps I have a few books on the Wx which are in the car if anyone wants to have
a look, hmmm should see if my brother will let me lend me his digital vid
cam :)



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>Subject: aus-wx: Victorian ASWA meeting
>Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001 18:39:15 +1000
>
>The next meeting of ASWA Victoria will commence:
>
>8.30am Saturday 14th July
>The Pancake Parlour - meeting room
>550 Doncaster Road
>Doncaster
>
>Agenda
>
>1.    Breakfast & bragging
>-    photos, video & pancakes
>-    a selection of Victorian MSL charts donated by the BoM will be
>available from significant weather days between October 1999 & December
>2000 (if there's a date that particularly interests you. let me know &
>I'll bring it along as well)
>
>2.    ASWA Annual General Meeting
>
>3.    Significant weather discussion: nomadic cold pools
>
>4.    Guest Speaker: Greg Roff
>Topic: INSIDE THE VORTEX!!
>For obvious reasons there have been very few first-hand accounts of what
>it is like inside a tornado. However, using results from theory,
>observations, laboratory experiments and numerical models this talk will
>explore the interior of tornadoes and waterspouts as it is currently
>understood.
>
>Members & visitors welcome!  Bring your appetite!!
>
>--------------------------------
>Jane ONeill - Melbourne
>cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
>Paul Yole
>pyole at australia.edu
>
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>http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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<x-flowed>
Hi Ian,

Welcome to the list and great to hear from you.

You have got me interested in this department as the area west of Coffs 
harbour has remained a mystery until recently. Please do tell about some of 
your experiences of storms on the mountains and things you may have heard 
such as hailstorms in the area above Coffs Harbour

Jimmy Deguara

At 02:11 PM 10/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Somebody asked for some info from new users.
>
>My name is Ian Isles and I live at Coffs Harbour. This is a great place to
>catch those afternoon thunderstorms in October - January every year.
>
>Ive been interested in weather , especially storms etc most of my life.
>Always enjoy a good storm. Growing up as kid in Coffs you would see these
>huge storm cells building over the land west and southwest of Coffs Harbour.
>Then about 2.00pm they would come on through.
>
>In my first 20 years I lived overlooking the sea. At night you would have
>these tremendous lightning shows from all that days storms.
>
>Ill try and bring you anything unusual from the Mid north coast of NSW.
>
>Overnight minimum last night 7.6cm
>
>Best wishes
>
>Ian Isles
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>[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Matthew Smith
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>
>Small CB just developed off the coast of Newcastle, cumulus has increased
>and
>there are some small towers poking up a little higher... I agree with Jimmy
>some
>heavy showers overnight and into tomorrow are a good possibility.
>
>I have another new email addy since the last ISP was not very good. New one
>is
>tornado at cnn.net.au
>
>Matthew Smith
>
>Jimmy Deguara wrote:
>
> > No I am not on the road but you are correct some interesting towers
> > developing. I detect it is the typical cold air aloft causing sufficient
> > instability to cause larger cumulus. I was surprised when a cumulonimbus
> > developed to our east definitely onland somewhere near the coast and
> > remained active for some time. This is what made me realise that there was
> > some sufficiently unstable air around. I would expect some showers
>possibly
> > heavy ones and then stabilisation occurring later.
> >
> > Jimmy Deguara
> >
> > At 12:16 PM 10/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
> > >I bet Jimmy is on the road now.  Got a good view of some towers going
> > >up west of Parramatta in the last 30 min or so (11:45 - 12:15)
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Looks like the NPMOC images are back to normal at 1530 EST (I also had 
problems earlier today as well).

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Hi Michael,

This site definitely working for me  at  4:30pm.  But seems to be some Internet
connection hassles today, as folks in Sydney cannot see my UQ site but I
can.  Also I can't currently find the Altavista babel fish.

Regards,
John.
>snip

Hi all,

these are all giving 404s:
http://www.npmoc.navy.mil/satimages/gmsd.jpg

does anyone know the new URL if there is one ?

Michael

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Hi All,

Can't help noticing that GASP has a High anchored well south of Tassie for
most of the week.  Can't be very often that Bass strait has a week of
Easterleys at this time of year....   The next High looks like moving south
of the Bight also, giving WA a typical summer pattern.  It almost seems like
there are two parallel ridges of HP., one South of Oz and an ill defined one
around the tropic of Cap.  At least its interesting atm.

John.

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      Well Lindsay
         Looks like your snow loving days have been put to an end by the 
BOM.  Trying to check the central tablelands forecast this evening i see 
theyve shifted you out to sea a few hundred miles, happy fishing mate :)
Nice snow piccies by the way :)
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Their archives show a gap from 21z to 06z today. Possibly in switching over
to fully protecting the site, they prevented some uploading routines. The
Japanese NPMOC base, however, made the switch about 2 weeks ago, and since
then their ftp-style http archives have been unreachable, so I wouldn't be
too optimistic about these. Hope I'm wrong!

Laurier


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As of today, most of the NSW, Qld and Victorian header codes for products
changed (as they have done in other states over the past few months). The
Central Tablelands new code is IDN10061, but whoever did the linking on the
BoM site put it as IDN10008, which is the Norfolk Island forecast. Details
of the changes are at
http://www.bom.gov.au/inside/cosb/stcm/idcodes/tables/current/index.shtml

This also means that if you have bookmarks to any of the affected products,
they won't update. My old link to the Central Tablelands forecast is still
showing the 11.30am issue.

Laurier


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>
>
>       Well Lindsay
>          Looks like your snow loving days have been put to an end by the
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I can't help but ask. What the hell is the Altavista babel fish? I can feel
everyone laughing now :-))
Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
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> Hi Michael,
>
> This site definitely working for me  at  4:30pm.  But seems to be some
Internet
> connection hassles today, as folks in Sydney cannot see my UQ site but I
> can.  Also I can't currently find the Altavista babel fish.
>
> Regards,
> John.
> >snip
>
> Hi all,
>
> these are all giving 404s:
> http://www.npmoc.navy.mil/satimages/gmsd.jpg
>
> does anyone know the new URL if there is one ?
>
> Michael
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From: "Lindsay Pearce" <violin at lisp.com.au>
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Hi all,

1/ Wow, that was a bit confusing. Thanks Laurier for that, saved me a
headache or two. I thought it was just a very late update for the south east
link. The last half of the link has changed not just the ID number. I've
noticed that the National Weather Charts link hasn't updated this afternoon
either but the link address still seems the same as before. I must admit, I
couldn't understand Rune's email at first. Hmm, a continental shift to
Norfolk. At least I could surf, out there. The drop at Govetts Leap is just
too nasty. Nice backwash at the bottom though.

2/ Glad you liked the snow shots folk, I must say it was fun ploughing
through the deep snow down that side road . We could barely drive down that
road and it was certainly too hard to turn around without chains, thats
where a good shovel comes in handy. We had to do about a 6 point manoeuvre
to turn around as the roadside gullies were deep with snow and slush and we
didn't want to slide into that. Still it wasn't snowing at the time, and it
was only a half hour walk to Jenolan, if that, if we got permanently stuck.
Mind you, compared to pursuing nasty thunder storms, snow chasing is easy!



Lindsay Pearce
Blackheath,  Central Tablelands of NSW
Email: violin at lisp.com.au
Blackheath Weather:
 http://www.lisp.com.au/~violin/blackhth.htm

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There was the odd distant flash, we are talking double 00 kilometres
distant.

We actually had some showers today and some short but quite heavy showers.
In fact as I write the roof gutters are overflowing, something that only
happens in 20mm/hour + showers.

Can't wait to photograph something decent with the digital.

Michael


> Hey Michael T - that's a brilliant panorama!!!!! did you get lightning
> last night?  Narooma & parts south reported a brilliant light show!!
>
>
> Jane
>
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After 3 days of teasing activity where winds remained SW and the rain
100-200km further south, today has seen increasing showers.

The first of the heavy showers began around 1pm, and they have increased in
frequency ever since.

At the moment at 8.30pm we have had 15 mins solid of quite heavy rain. Had
almost forgotten what it sounded or looked like.

Michael Thompson
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Welcome to Murphy's Law Judy !!!

Max


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> Just emptied the rain gauge and found that we have had 27.5 mm between
9.30
> am and 1.00 pm.
>
> It had to happen to us, after all the nice sunny DRY days we have a
painter
> just started working on the outside of the house!!!!!
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> Judy Mayo.
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I would like someone to explain why these high pressures form at Latitude 50
degrees south in the middle of winter. Is it due to a weak or displaced jet
stream and the current relatively high Tasman Sea surface temperatures
(seems to me 18 degrees is a bit warm for July)?
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> Hi All,
>
> Can't help noticing that GASP has a High anchored well south of Tassie for
> most of the week.  Can't be very often that Bass strait has a week of
> Easterleys at this time of year....   The next High looks like moving
south
> of the Bight also, giving WA a typical summer pattern.  It almost seems
like
> there are two parallel ridges of HP., one South of Oz and an ill defined
one
> around the tropic of Cap.  At least its interesting atm.
>
> John.
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On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Bussie wrote:

> I can't help but ask. What the hell is the Altavista babel fish? I can feel
> everyone laughing now :-))

Well, I can see that you've never gone hitch-hiking through the galaxy
before, as the Babel fish is one of the more important pieces of equipment
you'll need.  "The Babel is a small, yellow, leech-like fish, which, when
inserted into the ear, allows the wearer to understand millions of
languages from across the galaxy."
This is taken from the "Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy" by Douglas
Adams.


Cheers

--

Robert A. Goler        

Department of Mathematics and Statistics
Monash University
Clayton, Vic 3800
Australia

ph. +61 3 9905 4424
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Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:36:06 +0800
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Dunno about the Altavista babel fish, but I have had a lot of trouble 
with the US navy for several days.  Seems okay this arvo though.

Phil
<><
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> Hi Michael,
> 
> This site definitely working for me  at  4:30pm.  But seems to be some
> Internet
> connection hassles today, as folks in Sydney cannot see my UQ site but
> I
> can.  Also I can't currently find the Altavista babel fish.
> 
> Regards,
> John.
> >snip
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> these are all giving 404s:
> http://www.npmoc.navy.mil/satimages/gmsd.jpg
> 
> does anyone know the new URL if there is one ?
> 
> Michael
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Hi all.
Congratulations to the storm surfer Mic. T. at last after months of winging
about rain everywhere except Wollongong its finally happening there, looks
to be this area will get lots more over the next 12 hours. Break out the
lifeboats and hang on ..regards Clyve H.

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Altavista babel fish is a program meant to translate languages. Never used
it but have heard about it on the net. Check out altavista and see


http://world.altavista.com/

hopes that help. All the hitch hikers gurus should be considerate of fellow
travellers. :)

Ian Isles

Coffs Harbour

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On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Bussie wrote:

> I can't help but ask. What the hell is the Altavista babel fish? I can
feel
> everyone laughing now :-))

Well, I can see that you've never gone hitch-hiking through the galaxy
before, as the Babel fish is one of the more important pieces of equipment
you'll need.  "The Babel is a small, yellow, leech-like fish, which, when
inserted into the ear, allows the wearer to understand millions of
languages from across the galaxy."
This is taken from the "Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy" by Douglas
Adams.


Cheers

--

Robert A. Goler

Department of Mathematics and Statistics
Monash University
Clayton, Vic 3800
Australia

ph. +61 3 9905 4424
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http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/

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Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:59:01 +1000
From: Andrew Miskelly <amiskelly at ozemail.com.au>
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The Babel part, in Hitch Hikers Guide, would have come from the Tower of
Babel, the story of which is in Genesis.

Andrew.


Robert Goler wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Bussie wrote:
> 
> > I can't help but ask. What the hell is the Altavista babel fish? I can feel
> > everyone laughing now :-))
> 
> Well, I can see that you've never gone hitch-hiking through the galaxy
> before, as the Babel fish is one of the more important pieces of equipment
> you'll need.  "The Babel is a small, yellow, leech-like fish, which, when
> inserted into the ear, allows the wearer to understand millions of
> languages from across the galaxy."
> This is taken from the "Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy" by Douglas
> Adams.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> --
> 
> Robert A. Goler
> 
> Department of Mathematics and Statistics
> Monash University
> Clayton, Vic 3800
> Australia
> 
> ph. +61 3 9905 4424
> email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au
> http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/
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<P>Will reveal all later!!!!!!!!hehe</P>
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From: Simon_Wild at hyder.com.au
Subject: aus-wx: Snow Trip from Sydney
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Dear All

Seeing the pictures of snow in Oberon I have suddenly got a craving to go
and see some snow. If I wanted to do a day trip from Sydney (CBD) to see
some snow this weekend where is the best place to go. Would be happy to
drive for two to three hours, is that far enough away to see snow? Is there
any snow left in Blackheath or Blue Mountain areas?? Any thoughts??

Simon

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 Thanks to your response. I live in Toowoomba and currently taking 6 months
off teaching to look after my two boys whilst my wife goes back to work. I
am a high school teaher with interests in weather, radio astronomy,
electronics and computing.

I am aware that you can purchase ready made weather stations from a variety
of commercial companies but I was hoping to design one from the ground up.
Using the games port of an old PC. I know it can be done. Any ideas?

I have taken myself off the "ausie-weather" mailing list because it is not
possible to read the volume that I am getting.

Regards

Jason


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Hi Jason and those other newbies,

Welcome to the list as it is forthcoming.

Tell us more about yourselves and how you got into the weather, 
approximately where you reside eg Adelaide...

Jason, I am a teacher with a background in Mathematics and Physics and
of 
course was talked into computing due to short supply but have recently
gone 
back to casual teaching. Enjoying it much better now.

Thanks.

At 07:36 PM 9/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
>I am a high school teacher with a science background. I was wondering
if
>anyone had gone to the effort of putting together a weather station
that
>interfaces through a PC. It doesn't have to be very elaborate...just
the
>basics, wind speed,direction,temp and humidity.
>
>Any direction would be most greatful.
>
>Jason
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To: "'Sel Kerans '" <skerans at mail.cth.com.au>,
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Thanks to your response. I live in Toowoomba and currently taking 6 months
off teaching to look after my two boys whilst my wife goes back to work. I
am a high school teaher with interests in weather, radio astronomy,
electronics and computing.

I am aware that you can purchase ready made weather stations from a variety
of commercial companies but I was hoping to design one from the ground up.
Using the games port of an old PC. I know it can be done. Any ideas?

I have taken myself off the "ausie-weather" mailing list because it is not
possible to read the volume that I am getting.

Regards

Jason
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Sent: 10/07/01 9:24
Subject: Re: aus-wx: PC weather station

Hello Jason and all,

I have used with success in schools ready-made AWS set ups from 
Environdata, Warwick QLD and Monitor Sensors, Caboolture QLD.

Many of the sensors available now are 'smart' plug&play devices.

There are a range of AWS setups available, most at a nice cost but I 
believe E'data have a compact package which is more affordable.

I am also a high school teacher with background in computing and an 
interest in meteorology.

Cheers

Sel Kerans
QLD


> Hi Jason and those other newbies,
> 
> Welcome to the list as it is forthcoming.
> 
> Tell us more about yourselves and how you got into the weather, 
> approximately where you reside eg Adelaide...
> 
> Jason, I am a teacher with a background in Mathematics and Physics 
and of 
> course was talked into computing due to short supply but have 
recently gone 
> back to casual teaching. Enjoying it much better now.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> At 07:36 PM 9/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >I am a high school teacher with a science background. I was 
wondering if
> >anyone had gone to the effort of putting together a weather station 
that
> >interfaces through a PC. It doesn't have to be very elaborate...just 
the
> >basics, wind speed,direction,temp and humidity.
> >
> >Any direction would be most greatful.
> >
> >Jason
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<x-flowed>
Hi Jason and all,

That is again a sad case. As I have said in the past, read the e-mails 
which interest you. Could someone put a message encouraging people to 
develop a pattern of reading they are comfortable with. In other words if 
you are a snow person and not interested, you may not want to read storm 
e-mails so delete them. This message has to be put in the area where people 
are subscribing for the Aussie-Weather List". The "Aussie-weather List" is 
all about management of reading.

Jimmy Deguara

At 08:39 AM 11/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
>I have taken myself off the "ausie-weather" mailing list because it is not
>possible to read the volume that I am getting.

-----------------------------------------
Jimmy Deguara
Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher

from
Schofields, Sydney
NSW Australia

e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au

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Australian Severe Weather Home Page
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Hi Simon,

You have to be ready with the posts on this list or your own forecast to go 
see the snow. I myself try and get there just before it starts snowing and 
this means you don;t get blocked off but that is me personally.

Jimmy Deguara

At 08:10 AM 11/07/01 +1000, you wrote:

>Dear All
>
>Seeing the pictures of snow in Oberon I have suddenly got a craving to go
>and see some snow. If I wanted to do a day trip from Sydney (CBD) to see
>some snow this weekend where is the best place to go. Would be happy to
>drive for two to three hours, is that far enough away to see snow? Is there
>any snow left in Blackheath or Blue Mountain areas?? Any thoughts??
>
>Simon
>
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from
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:33:45 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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Actually it is Genesis chapter 11 verses 1 to 9.  All you guys with SDS 
can look it up to while away the time...  it's good for your health!
The town called Babel in that passage later became known as Babylon.

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-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Miskelly <amiskelly at ozemail.com.au>
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:59:01 +1000
Subject: Re: aus-wx: GMSD - Babel

> The Babel part, in Hitch Hikers Guide, would have come from the Tower
> of
> Babel, the story of which is in Genesis.
> 
> Andrew.
> 
> 
> Robert Goler wrote:
> > 
> > On Tue, 10 Jul 2001, Bussie wrote:
> > 
> > > I can't help but ask. What the hell is the Altavista babel fish? I
> can feel
> > > everyone laughing now :-))
> > 
> > Well, I can see that you've never gone hitch-hiking through the
> galaxy
> > before, as the Babel fish is one of the more important pieces of
> equipment
> > you'll need.  "The Babel is a small, yellow, leech-like fish, which,
> when
> > inserted into the ear, allows the wearer to understand millions of
> > languages from across the galaxy."
> > This is taken from the "Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy" by Douglas
> > Adams.
> > 
> > Cheers
> > 
> > --
> > 
> > Robert A. Goler
> > 
> > Department of Mathematics and Statistics
> > Monash University
> > Clayton, Vic 3800
> > Australia
> > 
> > ph. +61 3 9905 4424
> > email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au
> > http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/
> > 
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From: "Met Support 3" <twc at theweather.com.au>
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:31:12 +1000
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Hi Jason,
              You might consider purchasing something like the "Pocket
Sampler" kit from Dick Smith Electronics as a start.  This will allow you to
sample voltages in 8 bit resolution (256 possible values) from an external
source such as a thermometer or anemometer (or anything else you can think
of that produces a voltage) and log them on your PC.  This could be a start
in building your own weather station from the ground-up as you want.  I
haven't done this myself but it would be the way I would procede if I was
going to.  Good luck and it will be good to receive additional reports from
Toowoomba.
Paul G.

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To: "'Sel Kerans '" <skerans at mail.cth.com.au>;
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>
> Thanks to your response. I live in Toowoomba and currently taking 6 months
> off teaching to look after my two boys whilst my wife goes back to work. I
> am a high school teaher with interests in weather, radio astronomy,
> electronics and computing.
>
> I am aware that you can purchase ready made weather stations from a
variety
> of commercial companies but I was hoping to design one from the ground up.
> Using the games port of an old PC. I know it can be done. Any ideas?
>
> I have taken myself off the "ausie-weather" mailing list because it is not
> possible to read the volume that I am getting.
>
> Regards
>
> Jason
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sel Kerans
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Sent: 10/07/01 9:24
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: PC weather station
>
> Hello Jason and all,
>
> I have used with success in schools ready-made AWS set ups from
> Environdata, Warwick QLD and Monitor Sensors, Caboolture QLD.
>
> Many of the sensors available now are 'smart' plug&play devices.
>
> There are a range of AWS setups available, most at a nice cost but I
> believe E'data have a compact package which is more affordable.
>
> I am also a high school teacher with background in computing and an
> interest in meteorology.
>
> Cheers
>
> Sel Kerans
> QLD
>
>
> > Hi Jason and those other newbies,
> >
> > Welcome to the list as it is forthcoming.
> >
> > Tell us more about yourselves and how you got into the weather,
> > approximately where you reside eg Adelaide...
> >
> > Jason, I am a teacher with a background in Mathematics and Physics
> and of
> > course was talked into computing due to short supply but have
> recently gone
> > back to casual teaching. Enjoying it much better now.
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > At 07:36 PM 9/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
> > >I am a high school teacher with a science background. I was
> wondering if
> > >anyone had gone to the effort of putting together a weather station
> that
> > >interfaces through a PC. It doesn't have to be very elaborate...just
> the
> > >basics, wind speed,direction,temp and humidity.
> > >
> > >Any direction would be most greatful.
> > >
> > >Jason
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> >
> > from
> > Schofields, Sydney
> > NSW Australia
> >
> > e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au
> >
> > Web Page with Michael Bath
> >
> > Australian Severe Weather Home Page
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> >
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:53:03 +0800
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Well said Jimmy.
My method is to go by the subjects - if I'm not going to be interested, I 
highlight a whole bunch and hit delete.  If it might be half interesting 
I skim the first 3 lines and decide whether or not to read the rest.  I 
only read every word of the ones I am going to be interested in.
My second method if pushed for time, is to move the ones I might be 
interested in to a folder called "weather" to look at them later.  I 
periodically empty this folder when I realise that a month has passed and 
I just didn't get around to reading them.
I average between 100 and 300 e-mails per day from various lists plus the 
inevitable advertising junk mail, so I have to be disciplined.
My biggest problem is, I can get terribly interested in a wide range of 
weather topics.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Jimmy Deguara <jdeguara at ihug.com.au>
To: Jason Contarini <JAC at st-ursula.qld.edu.au>
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:01:07 +1000
Subject: RE: aus-wx: PC weather station

> Hi Jason and all,
> 
> That is again a sad case. As I have said in the past, read the e-mails 
> which interest you. Could someone put a message encouraging people to 
> develop a pattern of reading they are comfortable with. In other words
> if 
> you are a snow person and not interested, you may not want to read
> storm 
> e-mails so delete them. This message has to be put in the area where
> people 
> are subscribing for the Aussie-Weather List". The "Aussie-weather List"
> is 
> all about management of reading.
> 
> Jimmy Deguara
> 
> At 08:39 AM 11/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >I have taken myself off the "ausie-weather" mailing list because it is
> not
> >possible to read the volume that I am getting.
> 
> -----------------------------------------
> Jimmy Deguara
> Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
> 
> from
> Schofields, Sydney
> NSW Australia
> 
> e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au
> 
> Web Page with Michael Bath
> 
> Australian Severe Weather Home Page
> http://www.australiasevereweather.com
> 
> President of the Australian Severe Weather Association
> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Hi Simon,

Judging by the forecasts of lots of rain and high thicknesses (>544)and 
850hpa temps (in excess of +4) over the next few days, I would suggest the 
closest on ground snow to Sydney will be on the Snowy Mtns by the weekend.

Most likely above 1800m - if not higher.

Patrick


Dear All
>
>Seeing the pictures of snow in Oberon I have suddenly got a craving to go
>and see some snow. If I wanted to do a day trip from Sydney (CBD) to see
>some snow this weekend where is the best place to go. Would be happy to
>drive for two to three hours, is that far enough away to see snow? Is there
>any snow left in Blackheath or Blue Mountain areas?? Any thoughts??
>
>Simon

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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Snow Trip from Sydney
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:25:07 +1000
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Simon, I doubt there are even remnant drifts left by now -- the past 24
hours has seen a return to normal temperatures up here in the Blue Mountains
(~10C by day and warmer than normal by night). Your nearest accessible snow
this weekend would probably be the Snowy Mountains.

What Jimmy says is true. You need to watch for when the snow is forecast,
then be there when, or very shortly after, it happens. You can rely on the
snow-heads on this list to tell you when it's about to happen! There are
typically only 2 or 3 occasions between May and October when snow settles to
any appreciable depth on the Central Tablelands to the west of Sydney.  Snow
on the ground on the Blue Mountains is even less frequent. The place nearest
Sydney you're most likely to get snow on the ground are the country around
Oberon, particularly on the roads south to Jenolan Caves, Shooters Hill and
Black Springs. The most likely time is overnight; however snow, and the icy
conditions that accompany it, usually closes access roads quickly, and by
the time access is restored, the thaw is well under way. However, if it
stays cold, as it did after the late May fall last year, snowdrifts can last
for several days (up to a week west of Lithgow and around Oberon in May
2000).

Laurier


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> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of
> Simon_Wild at hyder.com.au
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 July, 2001 8:11 AM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: aus-wx: Snow Trip from Sydney
>
>
>
> Dear All
>
> Seeing the pictures of snow in Oberon I have suddenly got a craving to go
> and see some snow. If I wanted to do a day trip from Sydney (CBD) to see
> some snow this weekend where is the best place to go. Would be happy to
> drive for two to three hours, is that far enough away to see
> snow? Is there
> any snow left in Blackheath or Blue Mountain areas?? Any thoughts??
>
> Simon
>
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Hi Everyone,
Don't forget there is the Weather Forum on the weatherzone site which is
threaded so you don't have to download topics you are not interested in:
just go to http://beta.weatherzone.com.au and then click on Weather Forum.
Even if everyone were to migrate to the Forum, this list is still very
useful for significant weather that is evolving - severe storms, cyclones
etc.. etc..Since it is e-mailed directly to you.
Cheers,
Paul G.

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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Handling the list - was PC weather station


> Well said Jimmy.
> My method is to go by the subjects - if I'm not going to be interested, I
> highlight a whole bunch and hit delete.  If it might be half interesting
> I skim the first 3 lines and decide whether or not to read the rest.  I
> only read every word of the ones I am going to be interested in.
> My second method if pushed for time, is to move the ones I might be
> interested in to a folder called "weather" to look at them later.  I
> periodically empty this folder when I realise that a month has passed and
> I just didn't get around to reading them.
> I average between 100 and 300 e-mails per day from various lists plus the
> inevitable advertising junk mail, so I have to be disciplined.
> My biggest problem is, I can get terribly interested in a wide range of
> weather topics.
> Phil
> <><
> International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk
> Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
> Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jimmy Deguara <jdeguara at ihug.com.au>
> To: Jason Contarini <JAC at st-ursula.qld.edu.au>
> Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:01:07 +1000
> Subject: RE: aus-wx: PC weather station
>
> > Hi Jason and all,
> >
> > That is again a sad case. As I have said in the past, read the e-mails
> > which interest you. Could someone put a message encouraging people to
> > develop a pattern of reading they are comfortable with. In other words
> > if
> > you are a snow person and not interested, you may not want to read
> > storm
> > e-mails so delete them. This message has to be put in the area where
> > people
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> >
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From: "John Woodbridge" <jrw at pixelcom.net>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Cc: "'Jason Contarini'" <JAC at st-ursula.qld.edu.au>
Subject: RE: aus-wx: PC weather station (wx list traffic)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:44:30 +1000
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Hi All, Jason,

Initially I found the volume of email from the list was overwhelming, until
I arranged for a simple rule in MS-Outlook to immediately move any incoming
mail with "aus-wx" in the subject to a separate "weather" folder.  Thus my
normal inbox is not cluttered with list email & I can read it later at my
leisure.  If the volume of unread emails in my weather folder gets too great
(100+), I tend to just trash a large chunk without reading them.  Those that
contain links of interest, I leave in the folder permanently.

I have found this an excellent time efficient way of managing the list
without needing to deregister.  I imagine other email products have similar
capabilities.

Regards,
John W.
>snip

Hi Jason and all,

That is again a sad case. As I have said in the past, read the e-mails
which interest you. Could someone put a message encouraging people to
develop a pattern of reading they are comfortable with. In other words if
you are a snow person and not interested, you may not want to read storm
e-mails so delete them. This message has to be put in the area where people
are subscribing for the Aussie-Weather List". The "Aussie-weather List" is
all about management of reading.

Jimmy Deguara

At 08:39 AM 11/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
>I have taken myself off the "ausie-weather" mailing list because it is not
>possible to read the volume that I am getting.

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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
To: "Aussie-Weather at World. Std. Com" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: aus-wx: Heavy Wollongong Rain
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Michael T -- you should be happy now. The highest falls in NSW for the 24h
to 9am were around Wollongong.

Of the AWS and climate stations so far in (9.30am) Reverces (near Waterfall
I think -- anyone know for sure?) topped the list with 119mm, 40 falling
6-9pm, 46 9-midnight, and 14 midnight-3am. Other falls:

Kiama 76
Wollongong AP 67
Bellambi 58
Wottamolla, north of Nowra, 86
Hampden Bridge in Kangaroo Valley 63
Darkes Forest 56
Woronora Dam 67
Wedderburn 63
Kieraville 84
Balgownie 80
Figtree 67
Wollongong 70

Some early morning heavy falls north of Gosford: Kangy Angy had 83 and
Narara 51

Laurier

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From: David Jones <D.Jones at bom.gov.au>
To: "old AUSSIE WX (E-mail)" <aussie-weather-digest at world.std.com>
Subject: aus-wx: highs this winter...
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:15:04 +1000
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>Hi All,
>
>Can't help noticing that GASP has a High anchored well south of Tassie for
>most of the week.  Can't be very often that Bass strait has a week of
>Easterleys at this time of year....   The next High looks like moving south
>of the Bight also, giving WA a typical summer pattern.  It almost seems
like
>there are two parallel ridges of HP., one South of Oz and an ill defined
one
>around the tropic of Cap.  At least its interesting atm.
>
>John.

John and others..

the position of the highs and the easterlies is unusual, but I don't think
we have the records
to say at this stage just how unusual. Usually, in winter highs in the
AVERAGE track from around Perth latitudes northeast across
Australia, crossing the east coast (in the average) just north of Sydney.
Around Melbourne longitudes around 95% 
of the highs cross eastern Australia between Bass Strait and Brisbane
latitudes, while about 90% cross this area over mainland Australia (ie maybe
5% through Bass Strait). 
Against this "normal" the tracks for June highs can be seen at
ftp://ftp.bom.gov.au/anon/home/ncc/data/high.tracks.sh.gif
You can see that very few highs did the "normal thing", and this has
continued through July, and if the progs are correct
which continue for the next week or more. The one long track south of
Australia around 50S is something I can never recall seeing before, 
but my memory is not always as good as it should be! I suspect the placement
of both highs and lows in June was extremely unusual
based on the rainfall for the month with extremely dry conditions on the SW
and parts of the eastern seaboard, and very wet conditions
over the centre. 

As for the easterlies of last weekend, I can't recall such an extended
period of easterlies in Melbourne in winter before.

Cheers,

David
                                                
Dr David Jones                                               
                                                            
Climate Analysis Section                                   
National Climate Centre                                    
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GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne   Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4861 
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: RE: aus-wx: PC weather station (wx list traffic)
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:31:40 +1000
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There is also a digest version of the aussie-wx list for those who would
prefer 1 email a day to the 60 or so that we get on 'interesting' days or
with topics which generate a lot of traffic.

Jane
---------------------------------------
Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com

Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com

ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Hi All, Jason,

Initially I found the volume of email from the list was overwhelming, until
I arranged for a simple rule in MS-Outlook to immediately move any incoming
mail with "aus-wx" in the subject to a separate "weather" folder.  Thus my
normal inbox is not cluttered with list email & I can read it later at my
leisure.  If the volume of unread emails in my weather folder gets too great
(100+), I tend to just trash a large chunk without reading them.  Those that
contain links of interest, I leave in the folder permanently.

I have found this an excellent time efficient way of managing the list
without needing to deregister.  I imagine other email products have similar
capabilities.

Regards,
John W.
>snip

Hi Jason and all,

That is again a sad case. As I have said in the past, read the e-mails
which interest you. Could someone put a message encouraging people to
develop a pattern of reading they are comfortable with. In other words if
you are a snow person and not interested, you may not want to read storm
e-mails so delete them. This message has to be put in the area where people
are subscribing for the Aussie-Weather List". The "Aussie-weather List" is
all about management of reading.

Jimmy Deguara

At 08:39 AM 11/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
>I have taken myself off the "ausie-weather" mailing list because it is not
>possible to read the volume that I am getting.

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Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:34:58 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
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Subject: Re: Petrol Prices (was) Re: aus-wx: Mini-chase yesterday
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Yeah, send that tanker via HK and I'll siphon some out on the way!  I pay 
HK$10.80 per litre for unleaded here.  I think that's roughly about 
AUD$2.50 per litre.

Phil
<><
International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk 
Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672



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Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2001 23:28:24 +0100
Subject: Re: Petrol Prices (was) Re: aus-wx: Mini-chase yesterday

> > Fuel took a dabble in the high 60's last week, but it's back into the
> > 70's...70.7c/L is the cheapest here at the moment.
> 
> Wow, thats cheap. Could you ship a tanker load of the stuff over
> here???
> 
> Les
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From: "Ben Tichborne" <tich at netaccess.co.nz>
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Subject: aus-wx: Big freeze continues
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 But it has eased off here in Christchurch overnight with a southerly front
bringing a bit of light rain I think - ground was wet, not frozen this
morning (but patches of ice on shaded footpaths from last night before the
front). It's fine again today - could be back to frostiness tonight. Inland
the freezing weather continues - nights down to - 10 C or lower, hoar frosts
resembling snow, and frozen water supplies. The longer high pressure and
clear skies continue, the worse it may get - more heat (if there's any left
at all!) lost at night than gained from sunshine during the day. Plus some
places like Arther's Pass and Hanmer Springs are rimmed by mountains so they
get less sun during the day, making night frosts even worse. Freezing fogs
have also prevented daytime highs from getting above 0 C in Central Otago
(not particularly unusual) and even on parts of the Canterbury Plains. (very
unusual)

 I notice the that the recent snowfalls on the NSW Tablelands don't seem to
be as a result of cold air from high latitudes. What's been producing them -
a cold poool in the upper atmosphere?

Ben
Christchurch
NZ

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From: David Jones <D.Jones at bom.gov.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: floods of emails!
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:36:47 +1000
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>Hi Jason and all,
>
>That is again a sad case. As I have said in the past, read the e-mails 
>which interest you. 
>....
>....
>The "Aussie-weather List" is all about management of reading.
>
>Jimmy Deguara

Sorry to add to the torrent of email! but you can also get the aussie list
through
a digest (if you don't already know?). This is very easy to skim, and avoids
flooding 
you inbox with email subject lines.

As for using the weatherzone, I think the independence of ASWA and the
aussie email
list from ANY and ALL companies/organisations is extremely important.
Personally, I have 
found debate to be stifled and guided in vested interest directions when
it occurs on a site managed by a group with a clear interest in the subject.
I wouldn't for one moment accuse the weatherzone of this, but absolute
independence is important
and the current list gives us that. 

Cheers,

David
                                                              
Dr David Jones                                               
                                                            
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National Climate Centre                                    
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From: "Mark Hardy" <mhardy at magna.com.au>
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:15:18 +1000
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Dave
FYI, we have been scouting around for Weatherzone forum moderators who
are NOT aligned with the company so that the forum can operate totally
independently to the business. So far with no success but it is our
intention for the forum to be the voice of the participants and not the
owners.

Mark Hardy
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>Hi Jason and all,
>
>That is again a sad case. As I have said in the past, read the e-mails
>which interest you. 
>....
>....
>The "Aussie-weather List" is all about management of reading.
>
>Jimmy Deguara

Sorry to add to the torrent of email! but you can also get the aussie
list through a digest (if you don't already know?). This is very easy to
skim, and avoids flooding 
you inbox with email subject lines.

As for using the weatherzone, I think the independence of ASWA and the
aussie email list from ANY and ALL companies/organisations is extremely
important. Personally, I have 
found debate to be stifled and guided in vested interest directions when
it occurs on a site managed by a group with a clear interest in the
subject. I wouldn't for one moment accuse the weatherzone of this, but
absolute independence is important and the current list gives us that. 

Cheers,

David
                                                              
Dr David Jones                                               
                                                            
Climate Analysis Section                                   
National Climate Centre                                    
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<x-flowed>
Awesome photo of tornado on the beach, taken from alt.talk.weather:

http://drudgereport.com/twister.gif

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hey everyone,
long time, no speak (write). yes there is quite a few emails each day on
the weather list. there is no way i can read them all, so i just scan over
the subject lines to see what sounds interesting.
we can try to adapt to what we tried once before by calling the subject
PHOTOS: for links to some new photos, or LINKS: for websites, SATPIC:
satpics and so on, etc, yadda yadda yadda aaand so forth!!
it would make it easier for everybody.
thats all from me, thanx




At 01:36 PM 11/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
>>Hi Jason and all,
>>
>>That is again a sad case. As I have said in the past, read the e-mails 
>>which interest you. 
>>....
>>....
>>The "Aussie-weather List" is all about management of reading.
>>
>>Jimmy Deguara
>
>Sorry to add to the torrent of email! but you can also get the aussie list
>through
>a digest (if you don't already know?). This is very easy to skim, and avoids
>flooding 
>you inbox with email subject lines.
>
>As for using the weatherzone, I think the independence of ASWA and the
>aussie email
>list from ANY and ALL companies/organisations is extremely important.
>Personally, I have 
>found debate to be stifled and guided in vested interest directions when
>it occurs on a site managed by a group with a clear interest in the subject.
>I wouldn't for one moment accuse the weatherzone of this, but absolute
>independence is important
>and the current list gives us that. 
>
>Cheers,
>
>David
>                                                              
>Dr David Jones                                               
>                                                            
>Climate Analysis Section                                   
>National Climate Centre                                    
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Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:39:21 +1000
From: Andrew Miskelly <amiskelly at ozemail.com.au>
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Ben,

Spot on.

We are still waiting for a nice 'antarctic', deep southerly cold
outbreak yet this year.

Andrew.


Ben Tichborne wrote:
> 
>  But it has eased off here in Christchurch overnight with a southerly front
> bringing a bit of light rain I think - ground was wet, not frozen this
> morning (but patches of ice on shaded footpaths from last night before the
> front). It's fine again today - could be back to frostiness tonight. Inland
> the freezing weather continues - nights down to - 10 C or lower, hoar frosts
> resembling snow, and frozen water supplies. The longer high pressure and
> clear skies continue, the worse it may get - more heat (if there's any left
> at all!) lost at night than gained from sunshine during the day. Plus some
> places like Arther's Pass and Hanmer Springs are rimmed by mountains so they
> get less sun during the day, making night frosts even worse. Freezing fogs
> have also prevented daytime highs from getting above 0 C in Central Otago
> (not particularly unusual) and even on parts of the Canterbury Plains. (very
> unusual)
> 
>  I notice the that the recent snowfalls on the NSW Tablelands don't seem to
> be as a result of cold air from high latitudes. What's been producing them -
> a cold poool in the upper atmosphere?
> 
> Ben
> Christchurch
> NZ
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For the newbies and those with a short memory, here was Jane's original
post (from 5th August 2000!) regarding the subject line:

"
What about prefacing messages like this:
OFFTOPIC - not directly to do with weather, eg:setting up cars,
temperature probes, CB use etc
OUTLOOK - forecasting, discussions of forecasts, atmospheric physics
WEATHER - current weather reports
STORM - reports of current storm activity
CHASE - I think you can guess this one!
REPORT - chase reports

It'd make it really easy to sort through 100+ messages on a busy day and
follow discussion threads more easily.  It would also sort out things
like last week where people were using a message about 'shovelling snow'
to reply to and then talking about the temperature in Sydney....
"

But then, you may just decide to delete this based on the subject line
anyhow and still be without a clue. :)


On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, steve baynham wrote:

> hey everyone,
> long time, no speak (write). yes there is quite a few emails each day on
> the weather list. there is no way i can read them all, so i just scan over
> the subject lines to see what sounds interesting.
> we can try to adapt to what we tried once before by calling the subject
> PHOTOS: for links to some new photos, or LINKS: for websites, SATPIC:
> satpics and so on, etc, yadda yadda yadda aaand so forth!!
> it would make it easier for everybody.
> thats all from me, thanx
> 


Cheers

--

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Department of Mathematics and Statistics
Monash University
Clayton, Vic 3800
Australia

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It was a welcome return to the wet stuff. More exciting is the prospect for
some decent falls late Thursday, all depends what position the low forms. To
far south and the winds will stay SW.

The new system is moving in rather rapidly, it quickly pushed the rain and
showers from the old system out to sea late today. Just a bit worried as so
far as it has stablised, not destablised weather.

Michael


> Hi all.
> Congratulations to the storm surfer Mic. T. at last after months of
winging
> about rain everywhere except Wollongong its finally happening there, looks
> to be this area will get lots more over the next 12 hours. Break out the
> lifeboats and hang on ..regards Clyve H.
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Hello Met!

11 Jul 01 10:34, you wrote to All:

 MS> Don't forget there is the Weather Forum on the weatherzone site which
 MS> is threaded so you don't have to download topics you are not
 MS> interested in: just go to http://beta.weatherzone.com.au and then
 MS> click on Weather Forum. Even if everyone were to migrate to the Forum,
 MS> this list is still very useful for significant weather that is
 MS> evolving - severe storms, cyclones etc.. etc..Since it is e-mailed
 MS> directly to you. Cheers, Paul G.

Well, I much prefer a mailing list.  Even if I'm selective about threads on a
web forum, I can still finish the mail quicker, as it's operating at the full
local speed of the PC, not delayed by Internet connections.

Tony, VK3JED
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Hi every1,

I've just finished updating my Australian region Synoptic Archive for June 
2001. It took longer than normal as I had to get used to FTPing all my stuff 
as nearly all free websites have gotten rid of web-updating facilities... 
(not complaining - mainly a chance to learn new skills!) :))

http://wycheproof.www3.50megs.com

On a related note, all my NPMOC URLs (including archived photos) now require 
secure-server access and consequently my archived pix may well be 
considerably reduced in number unless I can find some alternative site for 
Australian Region satpix! For the moment the CIMSS and GHCC sites are still 
active but hitting them when there is a complete Aussie picture seems to be 
very much like Russian Roulette...

Any options??

Cheers,
Kevin from mild Wycheproof.

P.S. I like all the emails to the list (although the one-line replies might 
be kept to a smaller number)....
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From: "islesit" <islesit at tpg.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: RE: 1996 Super storm in Coffs Harbour
Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 22:35:12 +1000
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Dear Jimmy - aussie weatherwatchers,

Without doubt the biggest storm event was the November 1996 (date?), super
storm. And wouldn't you know it, I was away for the weekend! But my family
were still here.

From memory the storm was categorised in the 1 in 200 - 1 in 500 year storm
event. Most flat areas in Coffs Harbour were flooded. But Sawtell a few km's
south didn't receive anything like the downpour.

Rain started on the Friday but the main storm hit on the Saturday and more
particularly Saturday night. I remember looking at this storm as I drove out
on the Friday and thinking geez that looks like a mean storm. Very black
with a towering thunderhead (wont mention cloud type - probably get it
wrong - hopefully ill get better at naming clouds hanging around here).

Coffs Harbour received "officially 16" of rain on the Saturday with 12" of
that falling in a 4 hour period. But reports from up the valleys indicated
much higher rainfall as the storm pushed against a mountain range. Classic
orthographic rainfall (hopefully got that right).

Two valleys - the North Boambee valley and the valley in which Coffs Harbour
sits were particularly heavily hit. Its almost as if a super cell sat over
the ridge line between the two valleys sending water both ways. The mountain
on the northern side of Coffs Harbour is the higher mountain so presents a
blocking problem for onshore winds.

For those who don't know Coffs Harbour, the topography is a narrow coastal
plan backed by hills and mountains up to 800 feet.

With 12" falling in 4 hours in these narrow coastal plains, the result was
extensive flooding - never seen in Coffs Harbour with flood water in the
city mall of about 1metre.

The amazing thing was that the storm finished about midnight and my sister
who was in Coffs Harbour at the time, heard a lot of noise in the street.

She walked outside and although her house wasn't flooded, most of the houses
around her were, the water was about 4 feet deep in the roadway. People were
everywhere, as the flood waters broke through their houses.

This was just on midnight and just as the strongest downpour had ended.

As she stood outside the storm (cant recall her mentioning lightning or
thunder but) drifted out to sea, and the moon and stars came out in an
almost clear sky.

While all around everything was madly flooding with no clouds and no rain.
That's how sudden that was.


Ian Isles

Coffs Harbour

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2001 3:28 PM
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Towers over western sydney

Hi Ian,

Welcome to the list and great to hear from you.

You have got me interested in this department as the area west of Coffs
harbour has remained a mystery until recently. Please do tell about some of
your experiences of storms on the mountains and things you may have heard
such as hailstorms in the area above Coffs Harbour

Jimmy Deguara

At 02:11 PM 10/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Somebody asked for some info from new users.
>
>My name is Ian Isles and I live at Coffs Harbour. This is a great place to
>catch those afternoon thunderstorms in October - January every year.
>
>Ive been interested in weather , especially storms etc most of my life.
>Always enjoy a good storm. Growing up as kid in Coffs you would see these
>huge storm cells building over the land west and southwest of Coffs
Harbour.
>Then about 2.00pm they would come on through.
>
>In my first 20 years I lived overlooking the sea. At night you would have
>these tremendous lightning shows from all that days storms.
>
>Ill try and bring you anything unusual from the Mid north coast of NSW.
>
>Overnight minimum last night 7.6cm
>
>Best wishes
>
>Ian Isles
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Matthew Smith
>Sent: Tuesday, 10 July 2001 1:42 PM
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Towers over western sydney
>
>Small CB just developed off the coast of Newcastle, cumulus has increased
>and
>there are some small towers poking up a little higher... I agree with Jimmy
>some
>heavy showers overnight and into tomorrow are a good possibility.
>
>I have another new email addy since the last ISP was not very good. New one
>is
>tornado at cnn.net.au
>
>Matthew Smith
>
>Jimmy Deguara wrote:
>
> > No I am not on the road but you are correct some interesting towers
> > developing. I detect it is the typical cold air aloft causing sufficient
> > instability to cause larger cumulus. I was surprised when a cumulonimbus
> > developed to our east definitely onland somewhere near the coast and
> > remained active for some time. This is what made me realise that there
was
> > some sufficiently unstable air around. I would expect some showers
>possibly
> > heavy ones and then stabilisation occurring later.
> >
> > Jimmy Deguara
> >
> > At 12:16 PM 10/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
> > >I bet Jimmy is on the road now.  Got a good view of some towers going
> > >up west of Parramatta in the last 30 min or so (11:45 - 12:15)
> > >
> > >PC
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Hi all,

It has taken some time as I have been quite busy and the report is quite 
detailed. It is divided into three episodes:

Episode 1
http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2001/docs/200105-03.htm

Episode 2
http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2001/docs/200105-04.htm

Episode 3
http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2001/docs/200105-05.htm

I tried to capture our emotions during the chase. I hope you do enjoy. In 
the article, there is a map making utility - my laziness at this stage - 
this helps people get an idea where we chased.

-----------------------------------------
Jimmy Deguara
Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher

from
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NSW Australia

e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au

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Great reports Jimmy! Thanks for a great read.

One question - that wouldn't happen to be you driving on the left hand side 
of the road in the second last picture at http://www.k5kj.net/010529.htm 
would it?  ;-)

Tom
Madison, WI, USA

At 10:43 PM 7/11/2001 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>It has taken some time as I have been quite busy and the report is quite 
>detailed. It is divided into three episodes:
>
>Episode 1
>http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2001/docs/200105-03.htm
>
>Episode 2
>http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2001/docs/200105-04.htm
>
>Episode 3
>http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2001/docs/200105-05.htm
>
>I tried to capture our emotions during the chase. I hope you do enjoy. In 
>the article, there is a map making utility - my laziness at this stage - 
>this helps people get an idea where we chased.
>
>-----------------------------------------
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>Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher

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Hi Tom,

Ta re comments.

The cars on those pics were not ours and we drove slowly towards the 
tornado on the right hand side of the road. I think these vehicles were 
closer and passed us in front of us.

Jimmy Deguara

At 09:02 AM 11/07/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Great reports Jimmy! Thanks for a great read.
>
>One question - that wouldn't happen to be you driving on the left hand 
>side of the road in the second last picture at 
>http://www.k5kj.net/010529.htm would it?  ;-)
>
>Tom
>Madison, WI, USA
>
>At 10:43 PM 7/11/2001 +1000, you wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>
>>It has taken some time as I have been quite busy and the report is quite 
>>detailed. It is divided into three episodes:
>>
>>Episode 1
>>http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2001/docs/200105-03.htm
>>
>>Episode 2
>>http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2001/docs/200105-04.htm
>>
>>Episode 3
>>http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/2001/docs/200105-05.htm
>>
>>I tried to capture our emotions during the chase. I hope you do enjoy. In 
>>the article, there is a map making utility - my laziness at this stage - 
>>this helps people get an idea where we chased.
>>
>>-----------------------------------------
>>Jimmy Deguara
>>Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
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Sun is out here in Newcastle and small cu is developing and there is
some weak development to the S/SW. Also large congestus to the SE out to
sea.

Ive got the feeling something may occur later on with the extra heating,
(also im working 2.30pm-9pm so storms are very likely :) fingers crossed
anyway.

Matt Smith

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Yes, I just went out on the balcony and noticed a white top anvil with a 
back end - must be a cumulonimbus. Mario is going crazy along the coast 
watching development there.

You guessed it, I have committed going to a meeting.

Jimmy Deguara

At 12:17 PM 12/07/01 +1000, you wrote:

>Sun is out here in Newcastle and small cu is developing and there is
>some weak development to the S/SW. Also large congestus to the SE out to
>sea.
>
>Ive got the feeling something may occur later on with the extra heating,
>(also im working 2.30pm-9pm so storms are very likely :) fingers crossed
>anyway.
>
>Matt Smith
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From: Blair Trewin <blair at atlas.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado - northern Italy
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As some of you will have gleaned from various local reports, last
weekend saw a massive severe weather outbreak over much of Europe.
There appears to have been major thunderstorm activity stretching from 
the UK to Russia, and from the Mediterranean to the Baltic.

I've only picked up fragments on the consequences. According to a German
newspaper report I saw, 16 people were killed in the SW Germany/NE
France region alone (10 as a result of a tree falling on a crowd at
a concert, the other 6 in individual incidents). This report also
mentioned storm rainfall totals exceeding 100mm in two hours, and
wind speeds of 113 km/h. 

Where I was, in Lithuania, thunderstorms were popping up all over the
place, especially on Sunday (I reckon I could see at least 20
separate Cb's at once from my vantage point - unfortunately I'd
used up the last film in my camera an hour before! - not that a 
single camera shot could do justice to the panorama). Most of them
were about as productive as England's middle-order batting, but a few
went on to bigger and better things, with a very good lightning show 
over Vilnius for an hour or so in the late afternoon. A German couple
I met during the weekend mentioned that they'd seen 2cm hail north-
east of Vilnius.

Lithuania's biggest drawback for chasers is that it's so small - 
anything interesting would quickly end up in Belarus (and, even if
you can get a visa, the time required to cross the Belarus border
by road is typically measured in days).

I'm not sure how this outbreak would rate in a historical perspective,
but it must be fairly rare to have thunderstorms breaking out on
the same day(s) over such a large area (probably 1500km N-S and
2500km W-E). I also can't imagine that such large death tolls from
thunderstorm wind damage are common (although there have been far
worse in flash floods - ~100 killed in a flash flood in the Spanish
Pyrenees in July 1996, for instance). The period of thundery
activity was also quite long-lived - certainly in inland Lithuania
there was development on four successive days, whereas my
previous experiences in Europe are that storms rarely occur on more
than two successive days, and are usually associated with the
impending collapse of a blocking anticyclone.

Blair
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         Beautiful cumulunimbus developments on the ranges in Sydney, very 
crisp and powerful, havent seen anything like it for 5 months, and also the 
deep rolling thunder accompanying it is absolutely fantastic, once the sun 
came out that was it, boom :).. rang a mate in Richmond who said they just 
got the outskirts of it, with close bolts at the foot of the mountains,, 
heading out !.. Rune


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From: Blair Trewin <blair at atlas.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Perth record warmth
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> 
> 
> Great post Phil, Ive always wondered about this. In the short time ive been
> observing the weather here Ive seen it go from killer summers and winters,
> 1990, 1996 and 1994 which gave us many storm days and 14 tornades over
> summer. Also winter 1996 when Mundaring Weir over flowed for the first time
> in 28 years. Just 3 years later it was at 27% full. I also know that the
> Harvey area gets about 70% of the rainfall they used to get pre 1950. Barry
> from the BOM here told me that the early 80's around 82-84 produced over 30
> severe cold fronts and countless tornadoes and numerous heavy rainfall's.
> The SW usually averages 4 severe cold fronts a year, normally that is. Now
> this summer just gone and winter have given some of the all time records
> for lack of rainfall a real nudge. I often wonder if the climate is really
> changing or if this is like u said just part of a bigger pattern that we
> dont understand. Ive noticed that some of Perths all time low records for
> rainfall and hot winters go back to the 1800's. Really accurate weather
> data only goes back a short time in regards to what we need in order to see
> long time patterns. I guess only time will tell...........
> 
> Ira Fehlberg

The decline in south-western WA winter rainfall is well-known in the
scientific community, with a fall of approximately 25% observed over
the 1910-1995 period. This is the most striking observed rainfall
trend (in either direction) in any Australian region. The fall mainly
takes the form of a rapid decline during the 1960's with stabilisation
thereafter, and is mainly reflected in a decline in the frequency of
very wet years - none of the top 20 annual totals in the region 
since 1910 have occurred since 1965. The frequency of dry years has
increased, but not as dramatically.

The decline is almost completely confined to the winter rainfall
region of the south-west - areas further north and east in WA have
seen rainfall increases, especially in summer. (The SW has seen an 
increase in summer rainfall too, but the summer rainfalls there are
so low that they do not make any meaningful contribution to the annual
trend). This, in turn, implies a marked southward movement of the
boundary between the winter and summer rainfall zones in WA over the
last 40 years. I haven't seen any attempt made to quantify that (it's
something I may well do sooner or later).

There's heaps of info on the subject on the web site of Kevin
Hennessy at CSIRO Atmospheric Research - go to:

http://www.dar.csiro.au/publications/Hennessy_2000b.htm

Blair
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado - northern Italy
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Hi!

I am always thrilled by the storms we get in Northern Europe, even though 
they usually can't be compared to the storms further south (and of course, 
the pacific storms). But here in Norway, we've had some amazing thunderstorm 
activity lately. (Unfortunately I've missed the best displays, which 
occurred mostly in the southern areas.) Storm chasing is not easy in this 
country, the terrain is far too jaggered and the CB clouds quickly get out 
of sight...unless you are silly enough to be standing on a cliff, like a few 
people did last week and got struck by the lightening. Lucky for them they 
all survived. Earlier, a girl died from being struck by lightening, she too 
was in an open area. The lightening struck over 6000 times in only 24 hours.
Very rarely we get high wind speeds, but it does happen, and on VERY rare 
occations we've had weak tornadoes.
However, this summer has mostly been dominated by thundery showers, and it's 
only been a big tease for me! Now I'm looking forward to going back to 
South-Australia in August, to hopefully, be experiencing some REAL weather. 
:-)

Cheers,
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From: "Les Crossan" <les.crossan at virgin.net>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado - northern Italy
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:14:13 +0100
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The all Australian supercell is a rare event in Europe, you should try
Northern Italy, the Spanish Plains, Switzerland, Holland or the UK (between
November and March but don't forget to wrap up warm) for action. However
size for size the UK is the most tornadic country in the world and
dispraportionatly so for the T1-2 (F0-1) range - what some people in the US
would call "landspouts" but what we here in the UK call "tornadoes"
especially when they demolish brick built houses!

More here: http://www.nssl.noaa.gov/~brooks/worldwidetor.gif this shows up
the UK tornado anomoly quite well!

This year has been quite exceptional for multicell / MCS / severe pulse
sometimes with continuous lightning in the range of thousands an hour with
plenty of footage of long duration CG superbolts in both the UK and Europe
if you check
news://uk.sci.weather we've had the odd anafront thrown in for good
measure..


Perhaps you should try chasing in the UK sometime but get that second
mortgage out for the extortionate fuel costs...

With Norway being dominated by maritime air you can't see the overshooting
tops for the haze...

Les
Les Crossan and Christine Challen,
Wallsend, Tyne & Wear 55N 01-30W
les.crossan at virgin.net
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:35:59 +1000
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From: Geoff Thurtell <gthurtel at ihug.com.au>
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Hi Tom and Jimmy,

One small detail that you both missed is that the road in those photos 
(route 60?) is divided by a wide grass "island" with each direction having 
two lanes and a nice wide sealed shoulder (wouldn't it be great if we had 
more roads like that in Australia?). So the cars in those photos are being 
driven legally.

Back to the weather: Driving home from work tonight from Pymble to 
Schofields, northern suburbs of Sydney to north-western suburbs, I saw a 
few cc's but nothing spectacular...then, just before I turned off Windsor 
Road into Schofields Road, right in front of me I saw a fantastic forked cg 
with another higher fork doing a slight imitation of an anvil 
crawler...what a cure for SDS! I think the storm would have been just north 
of Windsor at the time. Unfortunately, I did not observe any more 
lightning. The storm itself seemed to be very low topped and not 
particularly impressive. A typical winter storm.

Enough for now!

Geoff

At 10:14 AM 12/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi Tom,
>
>Ta re comments.
>
>The cars on those pics were not ours and we drove slowly towards the 
>tornado on the right hand side of the road. I think these vehicles were 
>closer and passed us in front of us.
>
>Jimmy Deguara
>
>At 09:02 AM 11/07/01 -0500, you wrote:
>>Great reports Jimmy! Thanks for a great read.
>>
>>One question - that wouldn't happen to be you driving on the left hand 
>>side of the road in the second last picture at 
>>http://www.k5kj.net/010529.htm would it?  ;-)
>>
>>Tom
>>Madison, WI, USA


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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: STORMS: Sydneys west  (and a cautionary tale of modems)
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One (one) very loud bang of thunder here at Blackheath about 12.30pm, with
the sky 6 oktas small cu, and a small dark patch to the north. It was
enough, however, to do some sort of damage to my modem. I was online at the
time; the download stopped and all attempts to log back on to Ozemail were
fruitless. Seven hours later, I am back online at reduced speed with a
command (at) line stabiliser in my modem configuration, having taken a long
time to work out that the problem was mine -- the thunder came from the
direction of Lithgow, and I figured Ozemail's POP there (where I log in) had
suffered.

This is my third storm-related modem problem in a year. A storm last year
killed a modem that I inadvertently left plugged in (though switched off).
Then a lightning strike on the phone pole outside our house in January fused
wires together and dropped line voltage, leading to several weeks of trying
to work out why my connections were intermittently bad with occasional
dropouts. A Telstra tech with new wires fixed it. But this? -- One bang out
of a harmless sky and it looks like the circuitry is at least partly fried!

Retires, snivelling, to consult bank balance.

Laurier


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> Peitersen
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>
>
>          Beautiful cumulunimbus developments on the ranges in
> Sydney, very
> crisp and powerful, havent seen anything like it for 5 months,
> and also the
> deep rolling thunder accompanying it is absolutely fantastic,
> once the sun
> came out that was it, boom :).. rang a mate in Richmond who said
> they just
> got the outskirts of it, with close bolts at the foot of the mountains,,
> heading out !.. Rune
>
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You need an EMP hardened modem Laurier.

Laurier Williams wrote:
> 
> One (one) very loud bang of thunder here at Blackheath about 12.30pm, with
> the sky 6 oktas small cu, and a small dark patch to the north. It was
> enough, however, to do some sort of damage to my modem. I was online at the
> time; the download stopped and all attempts to log back on to Ozemail were
> fruitless. Seven hours later, I am back online at reduced speed with a
> command (at) line stabiliser in my modem configuration, having taken a long
> time to work out that the problem was mine -- the thunder came from the
> direction of Lithgow, and I figured Ozemail's POP there (where I log in) had
> suffered.
> 
> This is my third storm-related modem problem in a year. A storm last year
> killed a modem that I inadvertently left plugged in (though switched off).
> Then a lightning strike on the phone pole outside our house in January fused
> wires together and dropped line voltage, leading to several weeks of trying
> to work out why my connections were intermittently bad with occasional
> dropouts. A Telstra tech with new wires fixed it. But this? -- One bang out
> of a harmless sky and it looks like the circuitry is at least partly fried!
> 
> Retires, snivelling, to consult bank balance.
> 
> Laurier
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> > [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Rune
> > Peitersen
> > Sent: Thursday, 12 July, 2001 2:57 PM
> > To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> > Subject: aus-wx: STORMS: Sydneys west
> >
> >
> >          Beautiful cumulunimbus developments on the ranges in
> > Sydney, very
> > crisp and powerful, havent seen anything like it for 5 months,
> > and also the
> > deep rolling thunder accompanying it is absolutely fantastic,
> > once the sun
> > came out that was it, boom :).. rang a mate in Richmond who said
> > they just
> > got the outskirts of it, with close bolts at the foot of the mountains,,
> > heading out !.. Rune
> >
> >
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From: "Nick Sykes" <nicksykes at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Webpage updates, new photos
Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:25:37 +1000
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I have updated my webpage and moved it to a new server. To get to it
directly goto

http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/

or goto www.vicstorms.com  to get rid of advertising click the square saying
(click here to refesh/bookmark)

The photos section is now up, though will undergo some moderfication, ie sub
sections for cloud classes, features etc.

I will no longer be doing the notes on the sat pic as it takes too much time
and gmsd is too unreliable now.

I will be continuing my model discussion section

I am working on an idea where there can be a central SMS contact area for
chases, and a SMS briefing service (this is in early development but looks
promising, will take a while to impliment). ie has a list of people that can
be contacted, if they are currently chasing, if they want updates etc. The
extent of this service will depend on time, working lots of overtime atm to
save for the storm season (only 2 months away :)))

Anyway, go have a look and if have any advice, yell out.

Nick

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Hi Geoff

>Back to the weather: Driving home from work tonight from Pymble to
>Schofields, northern suburbs of Sydney to north-western suburbs, I saw a
>few cc's but nothing spectacular...then, just before I turned off Windsor
>Road into Schofields Road, right in front of me I saw a fantastic forked cg
>with another higher fork doing a slight imitation of an anvil
>crawler...what a cure for SDS!

It was looking quite nice (for this time of year that is) when I left work. 
Of course, since I head home east along Mona Vale rd the view from Pymble 
was as good as it got for me :-( Glad you got a quick show out west!

You are right about hwy 60 - although, at one stage we were considering 
going back the wrong way when things got a bit hairy - the tornado was 
rapidly widening and becoming rain  wrapped.

ps loved the reports Jimmy - you have a good memory!!
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Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 05:55:28 -0500
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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:58:16 +1000
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Hi Adele.
The land of the big sky will welcome you.regards Clyve H.
----- Original Message -----
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> Hi!
>
> I am always thrilled by the storms we get in Northern Europe, even though
> they usually can't be compared to the storms further south (and of course,
> the pacific storms). But here in Norway, we've had some amazing
thunderstorm
> activity lately. (Unfortunately I've missed the best displays, which
> occurred mostly in the southern areas.) Storm chasing is not easy in this
> country, the terrain is far too jaggered and the CB clouds quickly get out
> of sight...unless you are silly enough to be standing on a cliff, like a
few
> people did last week and got struck by the lightening. Lucky for them they
> all survived. Earlier, a girl died from being struck by lightening, she
too
> was in an open area. The lightening struck over 6000 times in only 24
hours.
> Very rarely we get high wind speeds, but it does happen, and on VERY rare
> occations we've had weak tornadoes.
> However, this summer has mostly been dominated by thundery showers, and
it's
> only been a big tease for me! Now I'm looking forward to going back to
> South-Australia in August, to hopefully, be experiencing some REAL
weather.
> :-)
>
> Cheers,
> Adele Jaunn.
>
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From: "Simon Angell" <simon at winnet.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Canberra this morning(12-7-01)
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 01:50:19 +1000
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Just&nbsp;when i was about to finally turn my tv 
off and go to sleep(5:10am) i heard a distant rumble of thunder.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I quickly got on the net to see what was going on 
around me, suspecting that the rain near wagga earlier had finally made its way 
over canberra. 
(bbbbbbbbbrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm) again 
another rumble. Weatherzone loaded up and the rain had hardly moved and no 
lightning detection (i know it only detects CGs) i looked out my window and 
couldnt see any lightning and then bbbrrrmmmmm one last rumble and it was gone 
it was now about 6:30am and ive got to get up for work at 12...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Also it was relativly warm this morning my thermo 
never went under 8*c all night!!!!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>CU :-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Simon Angell</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Canberra ACT</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Currently 3.3 and a mean fog hanging 
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From: "James Chambers" <jamestorm at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Off topic - virus
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 02:49:42 +1000
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Hi all

On Monday a virus on my computer decided to start sending emails to most
people in my address book several times.  I believe these emails had very
strange subjects and had an *.exe attachment.  It's probably too late to say
this, but if any of you have this sort of email from me then you should
delete it right away.  I would have emailed you sooner about this but I only
was able to fix the problems this morning and didn't want to risk
unintentionally sending more.  (The virus sent emails to most on my address
book, but also stuffed up my CD ROM drive)

Anyway after much fiddling, I was able to use the CD ROM drive and install
an updated version of my anti-virus software.  Hopefully now there won't be
a problem.  If you start to receive more "strange" looking emails from me
(or from anyone), please delete.  I apologise to the people who received
these virus emails!  It's not like I deliberately did it.

If you want to reply to this email, please do privately to
jamestorm at ozemail.com.au and not to the list :-)

Regards
James Chambers

PS: As at 2.45am it's 6.6C (DP 6.3C) here in Logan with mist and fog
patches.

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Thank you very much! :-)
-Adele

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>Hi Adele.
>The land of the big sky will welcome you.regards Clyve H.

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This seems to have got lost ...

>Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:02:24 +1000
>To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>From: Michael Bath <mbath at ozemail.com.au>
>Subject: Re: 1996 Super storm in Coffs Harbour
>
>Hi Ian and all,
>
>A little information on this event is here:
>http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/1996/docs/9611-02.htm
>
>cheers, Michael
>
>
>At 10:35 PM 11/7/2001 +1000, you wrote:
>>Dear Jimmy - aussie weatherwatchers,
>>
>>Without doubt the biggest storm event was the November 1996 (date?), super
>>storm. And wouldn't you know it, I was away for the weekend! But my family
>>were still here.
>>
>> From memory the storm was categorised in the 1 in 200 - 1 in 500 year storm
>>event. Most flat areas in Coffs Harbour were flooded. But Sawtell a few km's
>>south didn't receive anything like the downpour.
>>
>>Rain started on the Friday but the main storm hit on the Saturday and more
>>particularly Saturday night. I remember looking at this storm as I drove out
>>on the Friday and thinking geez that looks like a mean storm. Very black
>>with a towering thunderhead (wont mention cloud type - probably get it
>>wrong - hopefully ill get better at naming clouds hanging around here).
>>
>>Coffs Harbour received "officially 16" of rain on the Saturday with 12" of
>>that falling in a 4 hour period. But reports from up the valleys indicated
>>much higher rainfall as the storm pushed against a mountain range. Classic
>>orthographic rainfall (hopefully got that right).
>>
>>Two valleys - the North Boambee valley and the valley in which Coffs Harbour
>>sits were particularly heavily hit. Its almost as if a super cell sat over
>>the ridge line between the two valleys sending water both ways. The mountain
>>on the northern side of Coffs Harbour is the higher mountain so presents a
>>blocking problem for onshore winds.
>>
>>For those who don't know Coffs Harbour, the topography is a narrow coastal
>>plan backed by hills and mountains up to 800 feet.
>>
>>With 12" falling in 4 hours in these narrow coastal plains, the result was
>>extensive flooding - never seen in Coffs Harbour with flood water in the
>>city mall of about 1metre.
>>
>>The amazing thing was that the storm finished about midnight and my sister
>>who was in Coffs Harbour at the time, heard a lot of noise in the street.
>>
>>She walked outside and although her house wasn't flooded, most of the houses
>>around her were, the water was about 4 feet deep in the roadway. People were
>>everywhere, as the flood waters broke through their houses.
>>
>>This was just on midnight and just as the strongest downpour had ended.
>>
>>As she stood outside the storm (cant recall her mentioning lightning or
>>thunder but) drifted out to sea, and the moon and stars came out in an
>>almost clear sky.
>>
>>While all around everything was madly flooding with no clouds and no rain.
>>That's how sudden that was.
>>
>>
>>Ian Isles
>>
>>Coffs Harbour
>


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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: Victorian fog, no ....make that storms
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 07:42:26 +1000
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The 0530 forecast this morning was um, not very exciting - with fog forecast
to last all day in some places in the north of the state ....but a check of
the Lightning Tracker at 6am showed storms between Albury & Wagga, around
Wangaratta & in Bass Strait.  Driving to work I could see tops in Bass
Strait & AcCas along the ranges to the north of Melbourne.  Instability at
this time of day in Victoria is definitely worth watching - and is only
conducive to fog in valleys.........

I guess someone missed something somewhere.......

Jane

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From: "Patrick Tobin" <patricktobin at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Victorian fog, no ....make that storms
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 08:31:07 +1000
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Thanks Jane for your post - wasn't going to look at the radar this morning -
with fog all around in Canberra atm.

Have now checked the radar ..... and it looks promising....

Patrick
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Hi All,

I am new to this list and read these emails with great interest.  I don't have time most days to sift through all of them though, and am particularly interested in weather in Brisbane and surrounding areas.  A subject line that includes the location is really helpful!  (Eg: CB observed east of Brisbane)

Thanks
Seona
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From: Robert Goler <robert at mail.maths.monash.edu.au>
Sent: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:59:11 +1000 (EST)
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: Re: aus-wx: IDEA: floods of emails!


For the newbies and those with a short memory, here was Jane's original
post (from 5th August 2000!) regarding the subject line:

"
What about prefacing messages like this:
OFFTOPIC - not directly to do with weather, eg:setting up cars,
temperature probes, CB use etc
OUTLOOK - forecasting, discussions of forecasts, atmospheric physics
WEATHER - current weather reports
STORM - reports of current storm activity
CHASE - I think you can guess this one!
REPORT - chase reports

It'd make it really easy to sort through 100+ messages on a busy day and
follow discussion threads more easily.  It would also sort out things
like last week where people were using a message about 'shovelling snow'
to reply to and then talking about the temperature in Sydney....
"

But then, you may just decide to delete this based on the subject line
anyhow and still be without a clue. :)


On Wed, 11 Jul 2001, steve baynham wrote:

> hey everyone,
> long time, no speak (write). yes there is quite a few emails each day on
> the weather list. there is no way i can read them all, so i just scan over
> the subject lines to see what sounds interesting.
> we can try to adapt to what we tried once before by calling the subject
> PHOTOS: for links to some new photos, or LINKS: for websites, SATPIC:
> satpics and so on, etc, yadda yadda yadda aaand so forth!!
> it would make it easier for everybody.
> thats all from me, thanx
> 


Cheers

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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Vic: conditionally unstable.
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 11:04:59 +1000
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Hi weather people,.
After listening to the comments of a senior forecaster at the Mel BOM this
morning (774 3LO) it would be apparent  that most listeners would go away
not expecting any weather at all!. Anyway, back to reality.After I heard the
comments I went looking for a CB!, and found one just 10klm north of
Geelong, this isolated shower proceeded to dump 5mm in 5 minutes (not bad
for Leopold) before drifting off towards Bass Strait,but what it did show
was that the mid levels were rather unstable and that will be the case for
Victoria today. The airmass across the state is conditionally unstable with
the risk of substantial showers in some places especially near the ranges
and in the south of the state, may even be the odd spark, the only problem
is the low amount of heating but never the less keep a lookout..best wishes
Clyve Herbert..

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11.00 Some very heavy showers now passing over Canberra. No thunder though - 
err we'll just change that to one or rumbles :-)).

A bad couple of days for the local BoM - yesterday rain periods were 
forecast - nothing eventuated. Today was forecast to be fine....

Not an easy job...

Patrick
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Hi Blair,

Interesting topic indeed.  I think the significant thing about Perth's
winter rainfall is that it is basically unrelated to local changes.  What I
mean is, many folk have blamed the decline in rainfall to clearing and
associated activities which remove native vegatation.  But the reality is
that WA's winter rainfall comes from Westerly on-shore moisture streams
which are very unlikely to be impacted by these local activities, and have
the entire fetch of the Southern Indian ocean as the origin of moisture (an
altered circumstance exists in Summer of course).  In other words, if one
was looking for long term environmental impact caused by global heating,
places like Perth and the west coast of Tassie are the locations one would
prefer to observe as they would be least affected by regional development.

John W.
>snip

Subject: Re: aus-wx: Perth record warmth


>
>
> Great post Phil, Ive always wondered about this. In the short time ive
been
> observing the weather here Ive seen it go from killer summers and winters,
> 1990, 1996 and 1994 which gave us many storm days and 14 tornades over
> summer. Also winter 1996 when Mundaring Weir over flowed for the first
time
> in 28 years. Just 3 years later it was at 27% full. I also know that the
> Harvey area gets about 70% of the rainfall they used to get pre 1950.
Barry
> from the BOM here told me that the early 80's around 82-84 produced over
30
> severe cold fronts and countless tornadoes and numerous heavy rainfall's.
> The SW usually averages 4 severe cold fronts a year, normally that is. Now
> this summer just gone and winter have given some of the all time records
> for lack of rainfall a real nudge. I often wonder if the climate is really
> changing or if this is like u said just part of a bigger pattern that we
> dont understand. Ive noticed that some of Perths all time low records for
> rainfall and hot winters go back to the 1800's. Really accurate weather
> data only goes back a short time in regards to what we need in order to
see
> long time patterns. I guess only time will tell...........
>
> Ira Fehlberg

The decline in south-western WA winter rainfall is well-known in the
scientific community, with a fall of approximately 25% observed over
the 1910-1995 period. This is the most striking observed rainfall
trend (in either direction) in any Australian region. The fall mainly
takes the form of a rapid decline during the 1960's with stabilisation
thereafter, and is mainly reflected in a decline in the frequency of
very wet years - none of the top 20 annual totals in the region
since 1910 have occurred since 1965. The frequency of dry years has
increased, but not as dramatically.

The decline is almost completely confined to the winter rainfall
region of the south-west - areas further north and east in WA have
seen rainfall increases, especially in summer. (The SW has seen an
increase in summer rainfall too, but the summer rainfalls there are
so low that they do not make any meaningful contribution to the annual
trend). This, in turn, implies a marked southward movement of the
boundary between the winter and summer rainfall zones in WA over the
last 40 years. I haven't seen any attempt made to quantify that (it's
something I may well do sooner or later).

There's heaps of info on the subject on the web site of Kevin
Hennessy at CSIRO Atmospheric Research - go to:

http://www.dar.csiro.au/publications/Hennessy_2000b.htm

Blair
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Thats pretty interesting, we haven't had above average winter rainfalls in
Perth for serveral years now.

By the way, it got down to 0.7C last night, Jandakot in the southern
suburbs got down to -1C (rounded).

Jacob

At 02:48 PM 13/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi Blair,
>
>Interesting topic indeed.  I think the significant thing about Perth's
>winter rainfall is that it is basically unrelated to local changes.  What I
>mean is, many folk have blamed the decline in rainfall to clearing and
>associated activities which remove native vegatation.  But the reality is
>that WA's winter rainfall comes from Westerly on-shore moisture streams
>which are very unlikely to be impacted by these local activities, and have
>the entire fetch of the Southern Indian ocean as the origin of moisture (an
>altered circumstance exists in Summer of course).  In other words, if one
>was looking for long term environmental impact caused by global heating,
>places like Perth and the west coast of Tassie are the locations one would
>prefer to observe as they would be least affected by regional development.
>
>John W.
>>snip
>
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Perth record warmth
>
>
>>
>>
>> Great post Phil, Ive always wondered about this. In the short time ive
>been
>> observing the weather here Ive seen it go from killer summers and winters,
>> 1990, 1996 and 1994 which gave us many storm days and 14 tornades over
>> summer. Also winter 1996 when Mundaring Weir over flowed for the first
>time
>> in 28 years. Just 3 years later it was at 27% full. I also know that the
>> Harvey area gets about 70% of the rainfall they used to get pre 1950.
>Barry
>> from the BOM here told me that the early 80's around 82-84 produced over
>30
>> severe cold fronts and countless tornadoes and numerous heavy rainfall's.
>> The SW usually averages 4 severe cold fronts a year, normally that is. Now
>> this summer just gone and winter have given some of the all time records
>> for lack of rainfall a real nudge. I often wonder if the climate is really
>> changing or if this is like u said just part of a bigger pattern that we
>> dont understand. Ive noticed that some of Perths all time low records for
>> rainfall and hot winters go back to the 1800's. Really accurate weather
>> data only goes back a short time in regards to what we need in order to
>see
>> long time patterns. I guess only time will tell...........
>>
>> Ira Fehlberg
>
>The decline in south-western WA winter rainfall is well-known in the
>scientific community, with a fall of approximately 25% observed over
>the 1910-1995 period. This is the most striking observed rainfall
>trend (in either direction) in any Australian region. The fall mainly
>takes the form of a rapid decline during the 1960's with stabilisation
>thereafter, and is mainly reflected in a decline in the frequency of
>very wet years - none of the top 20 annual totals in the region
>since 1910 have occurred since 1965. The frequency of dry years has
>increased, but not as dramatically.
>
>The decline is almost completely confined to the winter rainfall
>region of the south-west - areas further north and east in WA have
>seen rainfall increases, especially in summer. (The SW has seen an
>increase in summer rainfall too, but the summer rainfalls there are
>so low that they do not make any meaningful contribution to the annual
>trend). This, in turn, implies a marked southward movement of the
>boundary between the winter and summer rainfall zones in WA over the
>last 40 years. I haven't seen any attempt made to quantify that (it's
>something I may well do sooner or later).
>
>There's heaps of info on the subject on the web site of Kevin
>Hennessy at CSIRO Atmospheric Research - go to:
>
>http://www.dar.csiro.au/publications/Hennessy_2000b.htm
>
>Blair
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From: Blair Trewin <blair at atlas.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Heavy showers in Canberra
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> 
> 11.00 Some very heavy showers now passing over Canberra. No thunder though - 
> err we'll just change that to one or rumbles :-)).
> 

There have been only 8 previous instances of thunder in July in
Canberra in 62 years of record, so this is a pretty unusual event.

Blair

(who managed to find himself underneath one of the 8 previous storms
during a run in July 1990)
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Now that the rain has cleared I can see the hills to the east - hail is
lying on them like snow! It draws a line of the path where the center of
the cell tracked.

There was no lightning or thunder with any of this, but the cell looks
to be intensifying - I can now see the back end of it.

I would chase it if there was actually a road out there!

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From: Blair Trewin <blair at atlas.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado - northern Italy
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> 
> Hi!
> 
> I am always thrilled by the storms we get in Northern Europe, even though 
> they usually can't be compared to the storms further south (and of course, 
> the pacific storms). But here in Norway, we've had some amazing thunderstorm 
> activity lately. (Unfortunately I've missed the best displays, which 
> occurred mostly in the southern areas.) Storm chasing is not easy in this 
> country, the terrain is far too jaggered and the CB clouds quickly get out 
> of sight...unless you are silly enough to be standing on a cliff, like a few 
> people did last week and got struck by the lightening. Lucky for them they 
> all survived. Earlier, a girl died from being struck by lightening, she too 
> was in an open area. The lightening struck over 6000 times in only 24 hours.
> Very rarely we get high wind speeds, but it does happen, and on VERY rare 
> occations we've had weak tornadoes.
> However, this summer has mostly been dominated by thundery showers, and it's 
> only been a big tease for me! Now I'm looking forward to going back to 
> South-Australia in August, to hopefully, be experiencing some REAL weather. 
> :-)

Hard to imagine a worse country for chasing than Norway (because of
the aforementioned mountains - to make matters even worse, many of
the roads go N-S or NW-SE, at right angles to the general direction of
storm movement). Impressive storms happen, though; I was underneath
a very substantial hailstorms south of Trondheim in August 1998.

There are virtually NO substantial areas of flat land (less than 100m 
elevation change within a 5km radius) anywhere in Norway, except in
the far north. This is a dramatic contrast with Sweden (except along
the Norwegian border) and Finland.

Incidentally, if I interpret the Finnish met. service's web page
correctly, there was a tornado in the Finnish Arctic on 8 June. I 
haven't previously heard of tornadoes so far north.

Blair
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There is another country which could be almost as frustrating as Norway - 
Hong Kong. Twenty minutes north of here is the border, where it is 
possible to import/export a car if you give a good enough reason, but not 
before the storm is a long distant memory!
Within HK, outside of the urban areas, almost all of the territory is 
mountainous with precipitous slopes dropping straight into the sea.  We 
have one major highway which follows a loop around the entire territory 
with a couple of 30 km/h serpentine connecting roads open to the public.  
Apart from that, every road which wanders any distance from the main ones 
requires application for a written permit from the appropriate 
authorities giving good reasons for driving thereon, such permits being 
valid for the specified day only.
Here the storm chaser has to sit and wait for the storms to chase him!
Having said that, we have had some real doozies in the time I have lived 
here including four direct hits by typhoons with two eye passages within 
a few months in 1999.  Reports on these are linked from my typhoons page 
at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm for those with SDS.
A couple of times I have got out in the car when a storm is around, but 
had to turn around and go home when the storm went across the mountains 
at right-angles to any usable road.  Once signal eight or higher is 
hoisted, you are not allowed out in a car unless you have some valid 
reason anyway.


Phil
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From: Blair Trewin <blair at atlas.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 16:51:46 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Tornado - northern Italy

> > 
> > Hi!
> > 
> > I am always thrilled by the storms we get in Northern Europe, even
> though 
> > they usually can't be compared to the storms further south (and of
> course, 
> > the pacific storms). But here in Norway, we've had some amazing
> thunderstorm 
> > activity lately. (Unfortunately I've missed the best displays, which 
> > occurred mostly in the southern areas.) Storm chasing is not easy in
> this 
> > country, the terrain is far too jaggered and the CB clouds quickly
> get out 
> > of sight...unless you are silly enough to be standing on a cliff,
> like a few 
> > people did last week and got struck by the lightening. Lucky for them
> they 
> > all survived. Earlier, a girl died from being struck by lightening,
> she too 
> > was in an open area. The lightening struck over 6000 times in only 24
> hours.
> > Very rarely we get high wind speeds, but it does happen, and on VERY
> rare 
> > occations we've had weak tornadoes.
> > However, this summer has mostly been dominated by thundery showers,
> and it's 
> > only been a big tease for me! Now I'm looking forward to going back
> to 
> > South-Australia in August, to hopefully, be experiencing some REAL
> weather. 
> > :-)
> 
> Hard to imagine a worse country for chasing than Norway (because of
> the aforementioned mountains - to make matters even worse, many of
> the roads go N-S or NW-SE, at right angles to the general direction of
> storm movement). Impressive storms happen, though; I was underneath
> a very substantial hailstorms south of Trondheim in August 1998.
> 
> There are virtually NO substantial areas of flat land (less than 100m 
> elevation change within a 5km radius) anywhere in Norway, except in
> the far north. This is a dramatic contrast with Sweden (except along
> the Norwegian border) and Finland.
> 
> Incidentally, if I interpret the Finnish met. service's web page
> correctly, there was a tornado in the Finnish Arctic on 8 June. I 
> haven't previously heard of tornadoes so far north.
> 
> Blair
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Half an hour of heavy showers with pea sized hail here and there has
just finished in Taralga. The echos are no stronger than yellow on the
Sydney radar - I think they would be higher if Wagga Wagga wasn't out at
the moment.

There are still a few more CJs to the west of here too.

I'm surprised the forecast for the Ilawwara tonight is 'fine'. I expect
they'll have a few showers from the remains of these as they move ESE.

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From: "Andrew" <macca_wx at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Vic: conditionally unstable.
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 18:09:48 +1000
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Hi Clyve and all,

I've just spent the last 3 days down at my beachhouse on the great ocean
road and the last two days (as in Wed and Thurs) has seen some decent Cu
situated well off the coast (est. 80km away).  Late Wednesday a lone Cb
developed S of Lorne by about 80km - it looked fairly weak but it was nice
to see.  Thursday saw more Cu off the coast (same distance) and a few Cb's
developed off the coast.  After getting back from Melbourne (we drove up to
Melbourne for a concert in the late afternoon Thursday and back down to
Lorne later that night) and while having a few (lots) of beverages I saw a
flash off the coast in the vicinity of the stuff i'd seen earlier and the
cell proceeded to produce 4 more flashes and I don't recall much more of the
evening after that...I can't remember if I stopped watching or if the cell
died.  Either way it was nice to see.

This morning, Cb's developed off the coast by 11am and whilst driving back
to Melbourne this afternoon I saw several nice Cb's near Geelong (probably
over Port Phillip Heads area).

An interesting few days of weather.  Time for me to get some sleep.

(See all the Vics tomorrow at the meeting)

Macca


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> Hi weather people,.
> After listening to the comments of a senior forecaster at the Mel BOM this
> morning (774 3LO) it would be apparent  that most listeners would go away
> not expecting any weather at all!. Anyway, back to reality.After I heard
the
> comments I went looking for a CB!, and found one just 10klm north of
> Geelong, this isolated shower proceeded to dump 5mm in 5 minutes (not bad
> for Leopold) before drifting off towards Bass Strait,but what it did show
> was that the mid levels were rather unstable and that will be the case for
> Victoria today. The airmass across the state is conditionally unstable
with
> the risk of substantial showers in some places especially near the ranges
> and in the south of the state, may even be the odd spark, the only problem
> is the low amount of heating but never the less keep a lookout..best
wishes
> Clyve Herbert..
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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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The weak cumulus could be seen clearly at sunset to the west. But as it
crossed the escarpment was spreading out into junky flat strat-cu. Like
yesterday another 5C at the surface and the two days would have went off.
Still we got a very light shower about 6pm from it.

Michael

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> Half an hour of heavy showers with pea sized hail here and there has
> just finished in Taralga. The echos are no stronger than yellow on the
> Sydney radar - I think they would be higher if Wagga Wagga wasn't out at
> the moment.
>
> There are still a few more CJs to the west of here too.
>
> I'm surprised the forecast for the Ilawwara tonight is 'fine'. I expect
> they'll have a few showers from the remains of these as they move ESE.
>
> Andrew.
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From: "Phill and Nicky Petrovic" <petrovic at tower.net.au>
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We're going to Tasmania in mid-late August and staying in Hobart, Strahan
and Cradle Mountain.

Does anyone know whether Cradle Mountain gets much snow in August?
Or whether Mt Wellington in Hobart gets much?

We're hoping to see some.


Thanks,

Phill Petrovic

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I dont know Phill, but i was there 4 weeks ago, and went for a bushwalk with
the temp at -9 and that was about 7am.


Max
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> We're going to Tasmania in mid-late August and staying in Hobart, Strahan
> and Cradle Mountain.
>
> Does anyone know whether Cradle Mountain gets much snow in August?
> Or whether Mt Wellington in Hobart gets much?
>
> We're hoping to see some.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Phill Petrovic
>
> My weather site...
> http://www.tower.net.au/~petrovic/
>
>
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Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 05:54:24 -0500
From: Sam Barricklow <k5kj at pulse.net>
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Emmett Redd wrote:

> Where does one look for it?

Here's the URL for a finder chart:
http://encke.jpl.nasa.gov/images/01A2/LINEAR-A2-2.gif

More information on Comet Linear is here:
http://www.skypub.com/sights/comets/comets.shtml
and
http://www.skypub.com/sights/comets/0007linearS4.html

With additional links here:
http://www.k5kj.net/astro.htm#Comets

Sam

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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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Phill, the answer is yes in both cases.

Cradle Valley (where the road ends at around 900m) is fairly likely to have
snow on the ground, while snow on the plateau (about 1200m, to the right of
Dove Lake as you look at Cradle Mountain) is a certainty. Cradle summit is
~1500m. Take care if you go walking; there have been many deaths due to
exposure in this area.

Laurier


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> Nicky Petrovic
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> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
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>
>
> We're going to Tasmania in mid-late August and staying in Hobart, Strahan
> and Cradle Mountain.
>
> Does anyone know whether Cradle Mountain gets much snow in August?
> Or whether Mt Wellington in Hobart gets much?
>
> We're hoping to see some.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Phill Petrovic
>
> My weather site...
> http://www.tower.net.au/~petrovic/
>
>
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<x-flowed>
Hi all,

It seems as though once in a while we get a virus attack which I suppose is 
nothing unusual. I must say that I was infected once and therefore for the 
first time in 11 years or so, I had to get a virus checker. I have also 
found that you have to keep up to date even daily is not out of the 
question but at least once or twice a week!!!

My main concern though since getting a firewall set up is the concern of 
others perhaps having trojans on their computer. I would like advice and 
perhaps a thread for the best awareness and protection strategies and 
information about trojans and if they can spread by those who are IT 
experts eg for their companies. I feel that since having the firewall, 
attacks have increased. I am also concerned that whilst on ICQ with some 
people conversing, there have been attacks recorded. Does anyone know why?

I hope this is a positive post aimed to get people aware and thence 
equipped if necessary.

See the NSW guys at the meeting

See the Vics in Melbourne later next week I hope. I will take the tape for 
those required. Cheers

-----------------------------------------
Jimmy Deguara
Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher

from
Schofields, Sydney
NSW Australia

e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au

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Australian Severe Weather Home Page
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From: "Bussie" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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Some storm deprived humour.
National Weather Service

In October, the Indians asked their Chief if the coming winter was going to
be cold or not. Not really knowing the answer, the chief replied that the
winter will be cold and that the members of the village should collect wood
to be prepared.Being a good leader, he then went to a phone booth, called
the National Weather Service and asked, "Is this winter to be cold?"
The man on the phone responded, "This winter is indeed going to be very
cold."
So the Chief went back to encourage his people to collect even more wood to
be prepared. A week later he called the National Weather Service again, and
asked again, "Is it going to be a very cold winter?"
"Yes," the man replied, "it's going to be a very cold winter."
The Chief went back to his people and ordered them to go out and bring back
every scrap of wood they could find.
Two weeks later he called the National Weather Service again. "Are you
absolutely sure that this winter is going to be very cold?"
"Absolutely" the man replies, "the Indians are collecting wood like crazy!"

Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)

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Hi all

With the frontal passage today came some action down south along the
Mornington Peninsula.  After todays Vic ASWA meeting, and checking the
radar situation, I headed south around 3pm.  Pictures are here:

http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_07_14/today.html

with a couple of movies. But once again the movies don't show anything
really dramatic. 

I should point out that on a previous chase page I posted, the images
were all crappy and very pixelated.  I didn't find this out until I looked
on another computer, as with the 1280x1000 res that I use here, everything
tends to look good no matter what!  So, hopefully there shouldn't be the
same problem here.


Cheers

--

Robert A. Goler        

Department of Mathematics and Statistics
Monash University
Clayton, Vic 3800
Australia

ph. +61 3 9905 4424
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Please note that I may have sent a virus to the list this morning (though I
havnt seen a message posted as yet).

Please delete it - the virus is the PE.Magistr.A virus. I "caught" it off
someone from another weather list who also got affected unknowingly.

If you do receive an email form me please confirm and DO NOT open the
attachment.

Rgds, Paul.

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Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 06:42:19 -0500
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Charles Edwards noted that one of the articles I referenced was for a
comet visible during 2000.  Apparently, there is more than one Comet
Linear.  See:

http://encke.jpl.nasa.gov/whats_visible.html

Sam

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Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 07:35:00 -0500
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Here's more info on Comet Linear (A2)

http://cometography.com/lcomets/2001a2.html

and other comets currently visible

http://cometography.com/current_comets.html

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From: "Les Crossan" <les.crossan at virgin.net>
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Subject: aus-wx: WS off Felixstowe, southern UK
Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 13:06:35 +0100
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Everyone -

Temporary cure for SDS:

Ignore the cringeworthy text and see the pic...

http://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13861685

Les (UK)


Les Crossan and Christine Challen,
Wallsend, Tyne & Wear 55N 01-30W
les.crossan at virgin.net
www.uksevereweather.org.uk
Wallsend StormCam: www.cc0020209.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/wallsendstormcam.htm
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From: "James Chambers" <jamestorm at ozemail.com.au>
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Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 5:49 PM
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> Hi all
>
> On Monday a virus on my computer decided to start sending emails to most
> people in my address book several times.  I believe these emails had very
> strange subjects and had an *.exe attachment.  It's probably too late to
say
> this, but if any of you have this sort of email from me then you should
> delete it right away.  I would have emailed you sooner about this but I
only
> was able to fix the problems this morning and didn't want to risk
> unintentionally sending more.  (The virus sent emails to most on my
address
> book, but also stuffed up my CD ROM drive)
>
> Anyway after much fiddling, I was able to use the CD ROM drive and install
> an updated version of my anti-virus software.  Hopefully now there won't
be
> a problem.  If you start to receive more "strange" looking emails from me
> (or from anyone), please delete.  I apologise to the people who received
> these virus emails!  It's not like I deliberately did it.
>
> If you want to reply to this email, please do privately to
> jamestorm at ozemail.com.au and not to the list :-)
>
> Regards
> James Chambers
>
> PS: As at 2.45am it's 6.6C (DP 6.3C) here in Logan with mist and fog
> patches.
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From: "A&K Wall" <astroman at chariot.net.au>
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Hi Sam, all

Comet Linear A2 certainly looked okay as it brightened to around magnitude 3
as it got close to earth, although not the most spectacular comet to look
at, it certainly kept the interest in comet observing alive. Although I have
only seen 4 comets (Halley's, Hyakutake, Hale-Bopp, and Linear A2)they
always keep me interested with their movements across the night sky. Linear
was breaking apart and as it was moving further away from the sun it was
getting dimmer, but it flared up again, possibly the result from another
piece breaking off. Anyway thanks for the links Sam.

regards
Andrew Wall
Amateur Astronomer
Storm Chaser
Ham.

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Charles Edwards noted that one of the articles I referenced was for a
comet visible during 2000.  Apparently, there is more than one Comet
Linear.  See:

http://encke.jpl.nasa.gov/whats_visible.html

Sam

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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: Bass Strait Cbs / South Pole
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 10:34:26 +1000
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Morning all,

Sometimes someone is in the right place at the right time!!  Macca is
sitting down the coast in Lorne watching 10 !!!!! separate Cbs over Bass
Strait & a check of the radar confirms this <sigh>

Melbourne had some rather grunty Cjs to the east at about 8am, but it's
now LLC from horizon to horizon here.

and.....

Sunday light reading for weather & science nuts - the answers to the
questions that you've always wanted to ask, but didn't know who to
ask..........

Location: South Pole
Weather: cold

Subject: Moving the (Geographic) South Pole
http://astro.uchicago.edu/cara/outreach/resources/other/movepole.html

Subject: Will the Real South Pole Please Stand Up
http://astro.uchicago.edu/cara/outreach/resources/other/poles.html

Jane
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Jane ONeill - Melbourne
cadence at stormchasers.au.com

Melbourne Storm Chasers
http://www.stormchasers.au.com

ASWA - Victoria
http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Subject: aus-wx: Fw: Rain Port Hedland
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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Snow Reports - Can you believe them !
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I was going to do a post on this about two weeks ago after a few misleading
reports by certain TV networks. Anyway it appears that somebody else has
taken the problem all the way to the ACCC. They say that the report on Mount
Buller on the net was nothing like the conditions that they encountered when
they arrived.

I must agree that snow reports, especially the TV ones have sunk to new lows
this year. This was really evident before the falls of last week.

I remember watching one national network's report about two weeks ago, when
at the time the only snow was man made. Not to put off the visitors the
report talked of the glorious perfect weather and the chilly nights which
had been perfect for snow making. They even described the conditions as
good. I would hate to see Poor. The report was misleading for what it did
not mention, that all snow was man made, that bugger all lifts would be
running and proper skiing would be a joke.

Michael Thompson
http://ozthunder.com


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From: "Carolyn" <carolyn at netcentral.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Snow Reports - Can you believe them !
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:07:28 +1000
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The snow conditions are even worse now!!!!  Any snow that was there has been
washed away by the rain over the last two weeks. There wasn't even enough
for family friends to go cross country skiing in the last week.

I have just spent last week in Cooma, where it has been raining off and on
for two weeks, and not much else in the region.  The temps have been very
warm for the winter, up to 13 degrees during the day and very few below zero
nights.  There were very foggy days, but not too bad.

I did notice that there was a lot of low level cloud around, can anyone
explain that to me please.

Carolyn

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From: "Ben Quinn" <benquinn at optushome.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Fw: [Lightning] Ball Lightning?
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 15:31:52 +1000
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Hi all

This just came in through the lightning list

If you're not on the lightning list it's definately worth joining,  there is
a solid stream of excellent photos being posted at the moment.  You can join
here

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Lightning


From: "Joe Lawton" <sciguy2 at hotmail.com>
To: <Lightning at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 2:18 PM
Subject: [Lightning] Ball Lightning?


> I need everyone's opinion here if possible.
>
> I uploaded to my website a videoclip with stills I recorded back in
> June of 2000 that may contain ball lightning.  I say "may" because I
> can't be 100% sure it is.  At the time of this event, I wasn't
> watching the skies while my camcorder recorded the storm.  It wasn't
> a very active storm, so I was sitting on the couch drawing or doing
> something...but not watching the storm.  I was trying to get some
> nice CG shots to record to my computer...possibly pull a good still
> from (this is before I had my digital camera or my 35mm SLR).
>
> But anyway, I put all of this on my website.  It's not directly
> linked from the main page, so you'll have to use this address to get
> to it.  http://www.geocities.com/sci_guy2/wierd.htm
>
> Now, as all of you will question and ask...
>
> Location: Owensville, Missouri (my home) apx. 75mi west of STL
>
> There was lightning bugs out that night.  I did get a few on tape.
> But this clip is very different.
>
> The view crosses the highway.  However, there were no cars that drove
> by during this scene.  I edited the clip to allow smaller file size,
> but I have the longer one and all you see is blackness (you would of
> seen the headlights had they passed).
>
> The camcorder was in perfect working condition at the time.
>
> Details on the camcorder: Panasonic PV-209D Palmcorder  VHS-C
>
> Notice how at the end of it (although it goes next to / behind a
> tree) there is a flash of lightning.  (Similar to Lauren's account?)
> I don't think it came out on the converted file (the one on the
> website), but there was a small flash of lightning before it appeared
> on the left side.
>
> The camera wasn't zoomed-in...to allow maximum viewing of the storm
> from my window.  So it's not the best shot, but you can see all of
> the movement.
>
> Just look at it and tell me what you think.  If you have any problems
> viewing the video, email me  at  sciguy2 at hotmail.com and I'll try to
> find something for ya.  I'm still learning the conversions and stuff.
>
> Thanks,
> Joe
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>

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TV met is a joke.  None of them do much more than a poor job, and some
are just performing clowns.

On a more practical note, I have just done some trajectory modelling
to see what the next week or so brings.

Have a look at these.  All are trajectories for three levels, 500,
1000 and 1500 metre initial heights.

On the third one, (Run 1481) the 850 temps get down to -8C over Tassy.


First Run:	Starting Lat -35 Lon 140 ie near Adelaide.

Hysplit4 Run 1478

http://www.arl.noaa.gov/data/ready/usr/1478_trj001.gif
http://www.arl.noaa.gov/data/ready/usr/1478_trjcross001.gif
http://www.arl.noaa.gov/data/ready/usr/1478_trjcross002.gif
http://www.arl.noaa.gov/data/ready/usr/1478_trjcross003.gif
http://www.arl.noaa.gov/data/ready/usr/tdump.1478.txt


Second Run:	Starting Lat -40 Lon 140 ie 300nm south of Adelaide.

Hysplit4 Run 1480

http://www.arl.noaa.gov/data/ready/usr/1480_trj001.gif
http://www.arl.noaa.gov/data/ready/usr/1480_trjcross001.gif
http://www.arl.noaa.gov/data/ready/usr/1480_trjcross002.gif
http://www.arl.noaa.gov/data/ready/usr/1480_trjcross003.gif



Third Run:	Starting Lat -45 Lon 140 ie 600nm south of Adelaide, ie SW
of Tassy.

Hysplit4 Run 1481

http://www.arl.noaa.gov/data/ready/usr/1481_trj001.gif
http://www.arl.noaa.gov/data/ready/usr/1481_trjcross001.gif
http://www.arl.noaa.gov/data/ready/usr/1481_trjcross002.gif
http://www.arl.noaa.gov/data/ready/usr/1481_trjcross003.gif

PeterC


Carolyn wrote:
> 
> The snow conditions are even worse now!!!!  Any snow that was there has been
> washed away by the rain over the last two weeks. There wasn't even enough
> for family friends to go cross country skiing in the last week.
> 
> I have just spent last week in Cooma, where it has been raining off and on
> for two weeks, and not much else in the region.  The temps have been very
> warm for the winter, up to 13 degrees during the day and very few below zero
> nights.  There were very foggy days, but not too bad.
> 
> I did notice that there was a lot of low level cloud around, can anyone
> explain that to me please.
> 
> Carolyn
> 
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Hi All

Thanks to all that were at the ASWA meeting Sat, I enjoyed it apart from the 
farking laser! Somehow I left the lights on (WTF?) and yeah the battery was 
dead flat! So lucky there was a few car yard/service centres around, I found 
a bloke to help me out from the Land Rover car yard across the road, so 
eventially I got the bastard thing going! Fark! Yes a fear few colourfull 
words where coming out of my mouth at that time, looked lie a rainbow! 
Anyway I was on my way, I had to visit a friend of mine in Brunswick but I 
couldn't stop the car because I didn't know whether she'd start up again. 
but yeah I observed the day becoming very interesting indeed, some nice 
Turreted Alto Cu developed over melb and thins where looking good out to the 
west. With petrol being rather cheap in Melb I decide I'd go to Colac and 
see my rellies, and have a few beers with my uncle who was OS.

So heading off on my adventure I witnessed many a Cb developing! it was 
awesome! Unfortunatally I didn't have my camera! It was great! So I got to 
Colac with Cb fever, with a nice squall line ready to roll through at about 
6pm. It dumped down, prob would have been in the green on the radar perhaps 
more. Poured for about 30mins, with Cb after Cb going though, to flashs of 
lightning which was nice and a couple of booms to go with it. but it wasn't 
over

After having copious amounts of beer that night I woke up to very very very 
heavy rain, now this would have been in the red, Cold Air Cbs zoomed in mid 
moring, with heavy speratic showers. Then I was going home, finally and it 
was all quiet, got home and checked my rain guage, ballarat must have missed 
out, only 1.3mm in the guage! So I was lucky that I went to Colac in the end

Cheers

Les Baxter
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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Snow Reports - Can you believe them !
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:20:21 +1000
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Only one Bureau site in Australia officially reports snow depth -- Falls
Creek. As of this morning, the depth there was 7cm. Falls Ck is an AWS, but
has additional manual observer obs added at 9am (and possibly 3pm). The only
other manual alpine obs are Perisher Valley, Charlotte Pass and (depending
on your definition) Thredbo Village. None of these routinely report snow
depth. One has to wonder why. While there may be some objection on site
suitability grounds to the Perisher site (close to carpark and other
obstructions), the Charlotte Pass site is on level ground with no
obstructions within 100m or so.

The Snowy Hydro has snowdepth graphs at
http://www.snowyhydro.com.au/data/snow.cfm for Spencer Creek (1830m), Deep
Creek (1620) and Three Mile Dam (1460), but only the Spencer Ck graph shows
anything at present, and it is currently sitting on ~40cm. There's a useful
set of comparison charts from 1954 to 2000 at
http://www.snowyhydro.com.au/data/pdf/snowdepths.pdf

Laurier

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> Thompson
> Sent: Sunday, 15 July, 2001 1:02 PM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: aus-wx: Snow Reports - Can you believe them !
>
>
> I was going to do a post on this about two weeks ago after a few
> misleading
> reports by certain TV networks. Anyway it appears that somebody else has
> taken the problem all the way to the ACCC. They say that the
> report on Mount
> Buller on the net was nothing like the conditions that they
> encountered when
> they arrived.
>
> I must agree that snow reports, especially the TV ones have sunk
> to new lows
> this year. This was really evident before the falls of last week.
>
> I remember watching one national network's report about two weeks
> ago, when
> at the time the only snow was man made. Not to put off the visitors the
> report talked of the glorious perfect weather and the chilly nights which
> had been perfect for snow making. They even described the conditions as
> good. I would hate to see Poor. The report was misleading for what it did
> not mention, that all snow was man made, that bugger all lifts would be
> running and proper skiing would be a joke.
>
> Michael Thompson
> http://ozthunder.com
>
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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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Sorry for the response-by-instalments. This is the last.

The Bureau's NSW Snowy Mountains forecast, at
http://www.bom.gov.au/cgi-bin/wrap_fwo.pl?IDN10103.txt, gives the Snowy
Hydro snowdepths weekly:

********
SNOWY MOUNTAINS HYDRO-ELECTRICITY AUTHORITY SNOW DEPTH
WEEKLY READINGS AS AT  12 / 7 / 2001
Spencers Creek (1830 m - out from Charlotte Pass)  41.2 cm
Deep Creek (1620 m - SW of Cabramurra)  nil
Three Mile Dam (1460 m - below Mt Selwyn)  nil
 NOTE: Snow making facilities are used at the resorts to enhance snow
depths.
********

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Correction, Falls Ck snowdepth this morning (Sunday) reported as 4cm.
Thredbo Village sent in a snowdepth with their 3pm report today of 15cm.

The snowdepths usually make it onto my severe weather observations
(synoptic) at http://www.australianweathernews.com/current_severe.html --
they are as coded by the observer, and are in the observer notes column on
the righthand side. Look for a 5-digit code beginning with 5. E.g. 50015 =
15cm snow on ground. I'll recode the program that extracts the "severe" obs
and get it to add all reports with snowdepth reported.

To the best of my knowledge, this information is not published by the Bureau
on any of its products, even when it is reported. Could it be that to report
4cm snowdepth at Falls Creek might cause marketing mayhem?

Laurier

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From: "Max King" <mnk at dingoblue.net.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: The Journey from Melb to colac via Geelong
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 17:48:03 +1000
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Seems to have been the weekend for flat batteries Les.
Mine died as well, had to replace it today :(

Max
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From: "Leslie Baxter" <mrt1000 at hotmail.com>
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Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 6:32 AM
Subject: aus-wx: The Journey from Melb to colac via Geelong


>
> Hi All
>
> Thanks to all that were at the ASWA meeting Sat, I enjoyed it apart from
the
> farking laser! Somehow I left the lights on (WTF?) and yeah the battery
was
> dead flat! So lucky there was a few car yard/service centres around, I
found
> a bloke to help me out from the Land Rover car yard across the road, so
> eventially I got the bastard thing going! Fark! Yes a fear few colourfull
> words where coming out of my mouth at that time, looked lie a rainbow!
> Anyway I was on my way, I had to visit a friend of mine in Brunswick but I
> couldn't stop the car because I didn't know whether she'd start up again.
> but yeah I observed the day becoming very interesting indeed, some nice
> Turreted Alto Cu developed over melb and thins where looking good out to
the
> west. With petrol being rather cheap in Melb I decide I'd go to Colac and
> see my rellies, and have a few beers with my uncle who was OS.
>
> So heading off on my adventure I witnessed many a Cb developing! it was
> awesome! Unfortunatally I didn't have my camera! It was great! So I got to
> Colac with Cb fever, with a nice squall line ready to roll through at
about
> 6pm. It dumped down, prob would have been in the green on the radar
perhaps
> more. Poured for about 30mins, with Cb after Cb going though, to flashs of
> lightning which was nice and a couple of booms to go with it. but it
wasn't
> over
>
> After having copious amounts of beer that night I woke up to very very
very
> heavy rain, now this would have been in the red, Cold Air Cbs zoomed in
mid
> moring, with heavy speratic showers. Then I was going home, finally and it
> was all quiet, got home and checked my rain guage, ballarat must have
missed
> out, only 1.3mm in the guage! So I was lucky that I went to Colac in the
end
>
> Cheers
>
> Les Baxter
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From: "Tina Jones" <bjones14 at postoffice.csu.edu.au>
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Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:23:21 +1000
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Dear Carolyn,

I don't know where they were planning on skiing because I went XC skiing
with my kids yesterday, and they were skiing at Thredbo today and most of
last week???

The Victorian resorts got lots of rain, but NSW is OK (note I am only saying
OK, not fantastic or great!).

Tina :-)
PS:  I live in the Jindabyne
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> The snow conditions are even worse now!!!!  Any snow that was there has
been
> washed away by the rain over the last two weeks. There wasn't even enough
> for family friends to go cross country skiing in the last week.
>
> I have just spent last week in Cooma, where it has been raining off and on
> for two weeks, and not much else in the region.  The temps have been very
> warm for the winter, up to 13 degrees during the day and very few below
zero
> nights.  There were very foggy days, but not too bad.
>
> I did notice that there was a lot of low level cloud around, can anyone
> explain that to me please.
>
> Carolyn
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From: "Tina Jones" <bjones14 at postoffice.csu.edu.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fw: [Lightning] Ball Lightning?
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 19:27:21 +1000
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I can't get the link below to work?   Any ideas??

Tina :-)
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From: "Ben Quinn" <benquinn at optushome.com.au>
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Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 3:31 PM
Subject: aus-wx: Fw: [Lightning] Ball Lightning?


> Hi all
>
> This just came in through the lightning list
>
> If you're not on the lightning list it's definately worth joining,  there
is
> a solid stream of excellent photos being posted at the moment.  You can
join
> here
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Lightning
>
>
> From: "Joe Lawton" <sciguy2 at hotmail.com>
> To: <Lightning at yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 2:18 PM
> Subject: [Lightning] Ball Lightning?
>
>
> > I need everyone's opinion here if possible.
> >
> > I uploaded to my website a videoclip with stills I recorded back in
> > June of 2000 that may contain ball lightning.  I say "may" because I
> > can't be 100% sure it is.  At the time of this event, I wasn't
> > watching the skies while my camcorder recorded the storm.  It wasn't
> > a very active storm, so I was sitting on the couch drawing or doing
> > something...but not watching the storm.  I was trying to get some
> > nice CG shots to record to my computer...possibly pull a good still
> > from (this is before I had my digital camera or my 35mm SLR).
> >
> > But anyway, I put all of this on my website.  It's not directly
> > linked from the main page, so you'll have to use this address to get
> > to it.  http://www.geocities.com/sci_guy2/wierd.htm
> >
> > Now, as all of you will question and ask...
> >
> > Location: Owensville, Missouri (my home) apx. 75mi west of STL
> >
> > There was lightning bugs out that night.  I did get a few on tape.
> > But this clip is very different.
> >
> > The view crosses the highway.  However, there were no cars that drove
> > by during this scene.  I edited the clip to allow smaller file size,
> > but I have the longer one and all you see is blackness (you would of
> > seen the headlights had they passed).
> >
> > The camcorder was in perfect working condition at the time.
> >
> > Details on the camcorder: Panasonic PV-209D Palmcorder  VHS-C
> >
> > Notice how at the end of it (although it goes next to / behind a
> > tree) there is a flash of lightning.  (Similar to Lauren's account?)
> > I don't think it came out on the converted file (the one on the
> > website), but there was a small flash of lightning before it appeared
> > on the left side.
> >
> > The camera wasn't zoomed-in...to allow maximum viewing of the storm
> > from my window.  So it's not the best shot, but you can see all of
> > the movement.
> >
> > Just look at it and tell me what you think.  If you have any problems
> > viewing the video, email me  at  sciguy2 at hotmail.com and I'll try to
> > find something for ya.  I'm still learning the conversions and stuff.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Joe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
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Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 20:04:24 +1000
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Hello Everyone

I was having a look at the University of Tasmania  Antarctic
Co-operative Research Centre web site and found this statement.

Chas
Strahan Tasmania



POLAR ICE SHEETS, CLIMATE and SEA-LEVEL RISE


                     A Position Statement (10 February 2000)

At the end of the last ice age the melting of the ice-sheets on North
America and Europe
caused sea level to rise by 120 meters1.

There is popular speculation that greenhouse warming of two or three
degrees over the next
century2 might trigger a similarly large change in association with
melting of the two
remaining ice-sheets of Greenland and Antarctica.

The Greenland ice-sheet is the smaller of the two. It contains an amount
of ice which, if melted
completely, would raise the level of the world's oceans by 6 meters.
Calculations suggest a
warming of a few degrees might trigger the melting of much of the
Greenland ice-sheet. The
process would take perhaps one or two thousand years.

The Antarctic ice-sheet is much larger. Its effective volume is
equivalent to 55 meters of
global sea level. It is not expected that it would melt as a result of a
warming of two or three
degrees. This is because temperatures in most of Antarctica are well
below the melting point
of ice.

In many places around Antarctica, outward flowing glaciers fan out into
vast ice shelves
floating on the ocean. They may disappear quite quickly with global
warming of a few
degrees. Since they are floating, the process would not directly affect
sea level. However it
may allow grounded ice behind the shelves to flow faster into the ocean.
Calculations suggest
this extra flow could contribute one or two meters to sea level over the
next one or two
thousand years.

In the shorter term - that is, over the next century or two - it is
expected that there will be
relatively little melting of the ice-sheets. Indeed it is expected that
the volume of Antarctic ice
will increase slightly because greater snowfall caused by higher
evaporation from the warmer
oceans will outweigh any increase in melting.

Thus for the next century or two the rise of world-wide sea level will
be determined mainly by
thermal expansion of the oceans and the melting of non-polar glaciers3.
The best estimate is
a rise at the rate of 'several tens of centimeters per century'4. It is
difficult to be more precise
because, among other things, it is hard to estimate how quickly the
warming of the surface
will penetrate into the deeper ocean. The relevant processes in the
Southern Ocean and in
the northern Atlantic are not sufficiently well understood.

Certain regions of the modern world already have experience of rates of
sea level change of
this order5. These are regions where the land is rising or falling
relative to the sea surface
because of geological processes.


-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

     1. The last great ice-age had its peak about 18 thousand years ago
and retreated to roughly the present situation
     by about 11 thousand years ago. It is thought that the process was
triggered by slight changes in the orbit and
     inclination of the Earth, which in turn altered the ratio of summer
to winter solar heating at high latitudes.

     2. One scenario of global warming in the context of the 'enhanced
greenhouse effect' involves a tripling of the
     concentration of atmospheric carbon dioxide over the next hundred
years and, as a consequence, a rise of two or
     three degrees in the world's average surface temperature. The
scenario assumes that the increase of carbon
     dioxide will level out after a hundred years.

     3. Another possible contributor to sea level change is variation in
the volume of water in artesian basins and in
     the storage of water by man. The uncertainties are large, but it is
believed that any contribution to sea level
     (which might be positive or negative) will be small.

     4. Thermal expansion is likely to continue for at least several
centuries until all the world's ocean takes up the
     increase of surface temperature.

     5. Parts of the coastline of Scandinavia are rising about 80
centimeters per century. Much of the east coast of
     Japan is falling at 80 or more centimeters per century. Parts of
coastal Holland are falling at about 20 centimeters
     per century. Some Pacific islands are rising and some are falling
at rates of the order of 10 centimeters per
     century, as are parts of the east coast of the United States and
Canada.






Antarctic CRC


February 10, 2000

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Hi all

I again headed down to Mornington Peninsula again for some Cbs and Cjs,
and here is what I saw:

http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_07_15/today.html


Cheers

--

Robert A. Goler        

Department of Mathematics and Statistics
Monash University
Clayton, Vic 3800
Australia

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From: "Nick Sykes" <nicksykes at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: SMS Service and SMS chase contact list
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 21:25:57 +1000
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I have finished construction of the SMS contact list on my webpage
goto http://home.iprimus.com.au/nicksykes/smsindex.html

It has instructions on how to sign up to the service etc.

The more people that join, the better it will be.

This service is completly free called and uses the 1rstwap application, it
has a web interface as well as a prgram you can download. It works with all
the mobile networks (Vodaphone, Telstra and Optus). Messages sent are
recieved instantly (within 5sec. You can send unlimited number of SMS
messages. The service works with any mobile that can send SMS messages.

Anyway go to the link above and give it a go, the more that sign up, the
better the SMS chaser network will become :)

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<x-flowed>
Not to get too involved in this, but I have suspected this before that when 
it comes to the prospect of something important and loss of business, there 
is pressure put onto some of the weather presenters. I suppose a little 
like match fixing in cricket. Sad really.

I have noticed this more often in the city where the expectation of the 
general population is to have fine weather wherever possible so the 
forecasts are made to feel as positive as possible. Anyway, doesn't worry 
me because I don't watch TV weather forecasts except accidently.

Jimmy Deguara

At 03:50 PM 15/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
>TV met is a joke.  None of them do much more than a poor job, and some
>are just performing clowns.
>
>On a more practical note, I have just done some trajectory modelling
>to see what the next week or so brings.
>
>Have a look at these.  All are trajectories for three levels, 500,
>1000 and 1500 metre initial heights.
>
>On the third one, (Run 1481) the 850 temps get down to -8C over Tassy.
>
>
>First Run:      Starting Lat -35 Lon 140 ie near Adelaide.
>
>Hysplit4 Run 1478
>
>http://www.arl.noaa.gov/data/ready/usr/1478_trj001.gif
>http://www.arl.noaa.gov/data/ready/usr/1478_trjcross001.gif
>http://www.arl.noaa.gov/data/ready/usr/1478_trjcross002.gif
>http://www.arl.noaa.gov/data/ready/usr/1478_trjcross003.gif
>http://www.arl.noaa.gov/data/ready/usr/tdump.1478.txt
>
>
>Second Run:     Starting Lat -40 Lon 140 ie 300nm south of Adelaide.
>
>Hysplit4 Run 1480
>
>http://www.arl.noaa.gov/data/ready/usr/1480_trj001.gif
>http://www.arl.noaa.gov/data/ready/usr/1480_trjcross001.gif
>http://www.arl.noaa.gov/data/ready/usr/1480_trjcross002.gif
>http://www.arl.noaa.gov/data/ready/usr/1480_trjcross003.gif
>
>
>
>Third Run:      Starting Lat -45 Lon 140 ie 600nm south of Adelaide, ie SW
>of Tassy.
>
>Hysplit4 Run 1481
>
>http://www.arl.noaa.gov/data/ready/usr/1481_trj001.gif
>http://www.arl.noaa.gov/data/ready/usr/1481_trjcross001.gif
>http://www.arl.noaa.gov/data/ready/usr/1481_trjcross002.gif
>http://www.arl.noaa.gov/data/ready/usr/1481_trjcross003.gif
>
>PeterC
>
>
>Carolyn wrote:
> >
> > The snow conditions are even worse now!!!!  Any snow that was there has 
> been
> > washed away by the rain over the last two weeks. There wasn't even enough
> > for family friends to go cross country skiing in the last week.
> >
> > I have just spent last week in Cooma, where it has been raining off and on
> > for two weeks, and not much else in the region.  The temps have been very
> > warm for the winter, up to 13 degrees during the day and very few below 
> zero
> > nights.  There were very foggy days, but not too bad.
> >
> > I did notice that there was a lot of low level cloud around, can anyone
> > explain that to me please.
> >
> > Carolyn
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http://www.birdcagesoft.com.au/util_software.html

Take a look apparently it deals with Australian weather stats

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Hi all,

There have been updates for the months march to june observations at 
Schofields at:

http://australiasevereweather.com/observations/schofields.htm

Ummm Question. Can anyone explain why some of the data or observations are 
missing. I will leave it to you...


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Yeah, is quite a good program Jimmy. An example of the stats you get off it

BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY
http://www.bom.gov.au

Horsham Ap
Date / Time = 15 23:00
Temperature = 6.8 C
Dew Point = 5.5 C
Relative Humidity = 91 %
Wind Direction = N
Wind Speed = 11 km/h
Nautical Wind Speed = 6 knots
Wind Gust = 13 km/h
Nautical Wind Gust = 7 knots
Barometric Pressure = 1020.8 hPa
Rain Since 9am = 0.0 mm

© Copyright Commonwealth of Australia 2001, Bureau of Meteorology.

PaulY

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http://www.birdcagesoft.com.au/util_software.html

Take a look apparently it deals with Australian weather stats

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From: "Simon Angell" <simon at winnet.com.au>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Today (15/7) when leaving for work i stepped 
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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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I think for Cooma the winds were just right for maximum moisture. Much of
the rain would have been wrung out in the Bombala area, but enough was left
for Cooma too.

Under your classic snow conditions ( for the alps ) Cooma is very
rainshadowed, firstly by the main ranges, then secondly anything that
survived that would get squeezed again over the ridge from Cooma to
Jindabyne.

Michael

>
> I did notice that there was a lot of low level cloud around, can anyone
> explain that to me please.
>
> Carolyn
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Hi Michael,and all.
On occasions, (the few times I have been to cooma) Strong lee wave clouds
develop (in winter northwest to southwest flow patterns), although
frequently of high lee cirrus, sometimes waves of alto cu and alto stratus
mix occur, on at least one occasion I saw these waves  glaciate and produce
light rain or sleet usually of a very low yield, regards Clyve Herbert.
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> I think for Cooma the winds were just right for maximum moisture. Much of
> the rain would have been wrung out in the Bombala area, but enough was
left
> for Cooma too.
>
> Under your classic snow conditions ( for the alps ) Cooma is very
> rainshadowed, firstly by the main ranges, then secondly anything that
> survived that would get squeezed again over the ridge from Cooma to
> Jindabyne.
>
> Michael
>
> >
> > I did notice that there was a lot of low level cloud around, can anyone
> > explain that to me please.
> >
> > Carolyn
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There has been a good response so far with 7 people signed up and by all
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Interesting forecast for Vic the next few days

Victoria
Monday:    Fog patches in the north clearing early afternoon. Mostly cloudy
with
scattered showers, mainly over southern and mountain areas.  Local hail
possible
in the south, particularly along the coast. Cool to cold with a moderate to
fresh northwest to westerly winds, strong along the coast.

Tuesday:   Scattered showers over southern and mountain areas. Hail and
squally
winds along the coast.  Alpine snow.  Cold.
Wednesday: Showers over southern and mountain areas. Windy near the coast.
Generally cold and cloudy.
Thursday:  Showers in the south decreasing. Morning fog or frost in the
north.
Cold southwest wind easing.

Looks like down the coast is the go, Tony M from Wonthaggi will be loving
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From: Blair Trewin <blair at atlas.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Snow Reports - Can you believe them !
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> I remember watching one national network's report about two weeks ago, when
> at the time the only snow was man made. Not to put off the visitors the
> report talked of the glorious perfect weather and the chilly nights which
> had been perfect for snow making. They even described the conditions as
> good. I would hate to see Poor. The report was misleading for what it did
> not mention, that all snow was man made, that bugger all lifts would be
> running and proper skiing would be a joke.
> 

This wouldn't, by any chance, be the same national TV network that
owns Perisher Blue? It's something that the late and deeply lamented
'Media Watch' ought to have had a field day with.

On the general subject of meteorological reports and marketing, I
can assure you that the Bureau's files are bulging with correspondence
from various local governments, chambers of commerce et al. complaining
that the conditions reported from their area are detracting from
their marketing efforts - the usual complaint is that the observations
are too cold (normally when a site has moved from a poorly-exposed
town centre to an airport site or similar). The Ballarat City Council,
who seem exceedingly reluctant to accept that Ballarat is a cold place,
have been particularly persistent offenders over a period of at least
20 years. (On the other side of the coin, Stanthorpe - who have
turned their status as the frequently-coldest place in Queensland into
a selling point of its own - asked us to refer to the Applethorpe 
research farm site, 5km up the road, as 'Stanthorpe' when the
Stanthorpe PO site closed a few years ago, as they wanted to keep
appearing on the news as the coldest place in the state!).

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That's interesting Clyve. The Illawarra is no stranger to lee clouds,
particularly great masses of lenticular alto-cu.

These sometimes get very black and look threatening, I used to field
statements from workmates about " look at the storm that's brewing ".

Only once in my life did I ever see precipitation from a lenticular cloud,
and it was very light.

Michael


> Hi Michael,and all.
> On occasions, (the few times I have been to cooma) Strong lee wave clouds
> develop (in winter northwest to southwest flow patterns), although
> frequently of high lee cirrus, sometimes waves of alto cu and alto stratus
> mix occur, on at least one occasion I saw these waves  glaciate and
produce
> light rain or sleet usually of a very low yield, regards Clyve Herbert.
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 5:01 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Snow Reports - Can you believe them !
>
>
> > I think for Cooma the winds were just right for maximum moisture. Much
of
> > the rain would have been wrung out in the Bombala area, but enough was
> left
> > for Cooma too.
> >
> > Under your classic snow conditions ( for the alps ) Cooma is very
> > rainshadowed, firstly by the main ranges, then secondly anything that
> > survived that would get squeezed again over the ridge from Cooma to
> > Jindabyne.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > >
> > > I did notice that there was a lot of low level cloud around, can
anyone
> > > explain that to me please.
> > >
> > > Carolyn
> > >
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Hi Simon,

I guess you were talking about the precipitation over the Brindabellas 
yesterday? There were some good light stream showers over the higher parts 
of the Brindabellas for most of the day - with an occasional light shower 
reaching the Canberra suburbs.

Judging by yesterday's Wagga sounding, freezing level was at the 1793m level 
(http://www-das.uwyo.edu/cgi-bin/sounding?OUTPUT=TEXT&TYPE=SKEWT&HOUR=0&DAY=15&MONTH=7&YEAR=2001&STATION=RIW&au.x=205&au.y=167).

This would have brought snow down to say around 1700m and sleet down to 
possibly 1500m  at its lowest (it was a fairly dry airstream - so melting 
would have been reduced).

Anything that fell in Canberra yesterday would have been well and truly 
liquid.

A lot of people often think they have seen snow/sleet from showers over the 
ranges coming into Canberra when the temps are too high for either (ie 
around +8 or +9C). I sometimes thought this myself when I first came here.

The mechanism responsible is I think the rain shadow effect when we have 
strong westerly winds. The orographic effect causes showers over the 
Brindabellas (which appear to be stationary). As the airstream descends from 
the ranges as it passes over Canberra, it warms and dries. This warming and 
drying results in evaporation of the water droplets and ice particles that 
had precipitated out over the top of the ranges.

The first particles to be evaporated are the smallest - ie the clouds. 
Gradually the larger particles also evaporate but at times their remnants 
will make it into the Canberra suburbs closest to the ranges (and sometimes 
further east). Because the clouds have evaporated, the sun is shining 
strongly through these particles making them look bright and snow/sleet 
like; their very small size enhances this effect; and people think it is 
colder than it is due to enhanced windchill.

Generally the temperature would have to be less (often much less) than 6 
degrees in a very dry airmass for any of these particles to to retain any 
frozen component by the time they have descended to Canberra level. I have 
seen this happen on occasion - but yesterday was much too warm.

From my experience, some of the pointers for snow in Canberra are:
1000-500mb thickness of less than 532dm, 850mb temp of less than -3.5, 
1000-700mb thickness of less than 282dm.

Today is a bit colder than yesterday - freezing level has fallen to 1475m 
and it should get colder tonight. The latest runs of some models are 
suggesting tonight may get us close to some of these parameters - I would 
look out for possible sleet overnight - but we will probably be just a 
couple of degrees too warm.

Regards,

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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:32:56 +1000
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Hi all tropos.
Interesting to see showers coming onto the northeast coast of the NT
drifting from the north, may even see some get onto the north coast later
today. all this is somewhat unusual,but the upper flow patterns there
reflect and are connected to the reappearance of the large baroclinic leaf
across eastern WA and SA,parts of SA must be getting tired of all the cloud
and rain.regards Clyve Herbert.

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Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 13:26:03 +1000
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Hi Patrick.
A good explanation,... other factors of frozen precipitation in cold air
reaching unexpected low levels is the appearance of so called 'soft hail',
at higher altitudes soft hail can often be observer as snow pellets which
are distinctly different to hail having a lighter feel and tend to break on
impact with the ground, on occasions such as you describe in rather dry cold
air snow pellets can fall to surprisingly low levels with temps as high as 6
or 7c but often associated with steep lapse rates near the surface, (snow
pellets when starting to melt appear sludgy and often splatter on the
windscrean) at other times I have seen sleet at low levels with rather high
temps (close to 8c) this occurrence is usually associated with heavy
precipitation and a local resultant lowering of the snow line such events
are found over southern Vic and Tasmania in strong cold unstable outbreaks
and localised large CB development..The small droplet precipitation
described for Canberra with the sun behind and a strong westerly with temps
around 7 or 8c do indeed look like frozen particles and can even sting the
face,the wind chill usually around 0 or 2c.regards Clyve Herbert.
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> Hi Simon,
>
> I guess you were talking about the precipitation over the Brindabellas
> yesterday? There were some good light stream showers over the higher parts
> of the Brindabellas for most of the day - with an occasional light shower
> reaching the Canberra suburbs.
>
> Judging by yesterday's Wagga sounding, freezing level was at the 1793m
level
>
(http://www-das.uwyo.edu/cgi-bin/sounding?OUTPUT=TEXT&TYPE=SKEWT&HOUR=0&DAY=
15&MONTH=7&YEAR=2001&STATION=RIW&au.x=205&au.y=167).
>
> This would have brought snow down to say around 1700m and sleet down to
> possibly 1500m  at its lowest (it was a fairly dry airstream - so melting
> would have been reduced).
>
> Anything that fell in Canberra yesterday would have been well and truly
> liquid.
>
> A lot of people often think they have seen snow/sleet from showers over
the
> ranges coming into Canberra when the temps are too high for either (ie
> around +8 or +9C). I sometimes thought this myself when I first came here.
>
> The mechanism responsible is I think the rain shadow effect when we have
> strong westerly winds. The orographic effect causes showers over the
> Brindabellas (which appear to be stationary). As the airstream descends
from
> the ranges as it passes over Canberra, it warms and dries. This warming
and
> drying results in evaporation of the water droplets and ice particles that
> had precipitated out over the top of the ranges.
>
> The first particles to be evaporated are the smallest - ie the clouds.
> Gradually the larger particles also evaporate but at times their remnants
> will make it into the Canberra suburbs closest to the ranges (and
sometimes
> further east). Because the clouds have evaporated, the sun is shining
> strongly through these particles making them look bright and snow/sleet
> like; their very small size enhances this effect; and people think it is
> colder than it is due to enhanced windchill.
>
> Generally the temperature would have to be less (often much less) than 6
> degrees in a very dry airmass for any of these particles to to retain any
> frozen component by the time they have descended to Canberra level. I have
> seen this happen on occasion - but yesterday was much too warm.
>
> From my experience, some of the pointers for snow in Canberra are:
> 1000-500mb thickness of less than 532dm, 850mb temp of less than -3.5,
> 1000-700mb thickness of less than 282dm.
>
> Today is a bit colder than yesterday - freezing level has fallen to 1475m
> and it should get colder tonight. The latest runs of some models are
> suggesting tonight may get us close to some of these parameters - I would
> look out for possible sleet overnight - but we will probably be just a
> couple of degrees too warm.
>
> Regards,
>
> Patrick
>
>
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Hey all

I found this page, it;s cool

http://www.intellicast.com/DrDewpoint/Library/1032/

cheers

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Hi all

What a strange winter.  Lots of rain but almost no 'severe weather' or
wind/hail/thunder of any sort.  The last two nights we have had weak fronts
through each dumping 5-10mm of rain.  Not much but at least it's weather.
And another one brewing tonight!  I can't remember the last time we had a
frontal passage during the day - March???  Grrrr.

At least the airstream felt properly winter chilled today, although the
vertical development of the Cu in the westerlies was negligable.

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From: "Ben Quinn" <benquinn at optushome.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fw: [Lightning] Ball Lightning?
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Hi Tina

The site might have been down when you tried, it worked OK for me


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 7:27 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fw: [Lightning] Ball Lightning?


> I can't get the link below to work?   Any ideas??
>
> Tina :-)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ben Quinn" <benquinn at optushome.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 3:31 PM
> Subject: aus-wx: Fw: [Lightning] Ball Lightning?
>
>
> > Hi all
> >
> > This just came in through the lightning list
> >
> > If you're not on the lightning list it's definately worth joining,
there
> is
> > a solid stream of excellent photos being posted at the moment.  You can
> join
> > here
> >
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Lightning
> >
> >
> > From: "Joe Lawton" <sciguy2 at hotmail.com>
> > To: <Lightning at yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2001 2:18 PM
> > Subject: [Lightning] Ball Lightning?
> >
> >
> > > I need everyone's opinion here if possible.
> > >
> > > I uploaded to my website a videoclip with stills I recorded back in
> > > June of 2000 that may contain ball lightning.  I say "may" because I
> > > can't be 100% sure it is.  At the time of this event, I wasn't
> > > watching the skies while my camcorder recorded the storm.  It wasn't
> > > a very active storm, so I was sitting on the couch drawing or doing
> > > something...but not watching the storm.  I was trying to get some
> > > nice CG shots to record to my computer...possibly pull a good still
> > > from (this is before I had my digital camera or my 35mm SLR).
> > >
> > > But anyway, I put all of this on my website.  It's not directly
> > > linked from the main page, so you'll have to use this address to get
> > > to it.  http://www.geocities.com/sci_guy2/wierd.htm
> > >
> > > Now, as all of you will question and ask...
> > >
> > > Location: Owensville, Missouri (my home) apx. 75mi west of STL
> > >
> > > There was lightning bugs out that night.  I did get a few on tape.
> > > But this clip is very different.
> > >
> > > The view crosses the highway.  However, there were no cars that drove
> > > by during this scene.  I edited the clip to allow smaller file size,
> > > but I have the longer one and all you see is blackness (you would of
> > > seen the headlights had they passed).
> > >
> > > The camcorder was in perfect working condition at the time.
> > >
> > > Details on the camcorder: Panasonic PV-209D Palmcorder  VHS-C
> > >
> > > Notice how at the end of it (although it goes next to / behind a
> > > tree) there is a flash of lightning.  (Similar to Lauren's account?)
> > > I don't think it came out on the converted file (the one on the
> > > website), but there was a small flash of lightning before it appeared
> > > on the left side.
> > >
> > > The camera wasn't zoomed-in...to allow maximum viewing of the storm
> > > from my window.  So it's not the best shot, but you can see all of
> > > the movement.
> > >
> > > Just look at it and tell me what you think.  If you have any problems
> > > viewing the video, email me  at  sciguy2 at hotmail.com and I'll try to
> > > find something for ya.  I'm still learning the conversions and stuff.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Joe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
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Sorry,

try here one link

http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/recd08.htm

My apologies for the inconvenience.

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from
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Hi all,

Tim Pascoe has some pictures in the links below:

http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/light10.htm

http://australiasevereweather.com/photography/light09.htm

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From: "Anthony Spierings" <as029 at bigpond.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Lightning Photo - 04 Nov 2000 - BNE
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Hi All,

Finally got around to scanning in this photo of lightning from 04
November 2000.  Not the prettiest lightning picture but there is a bit
of a story attached.

I took this with a 35 mm SLR.  After wasting lots of film on sheet
lightning - there was almost no any ground strikes to speak of - I
decided to conserve my film and shoot using reflexes only.  I caught
this one.  Notice how the houses across the road are already dark!
There was a party in full swing at the time.  By the time I had opened
the shutter the circuit breaker at the substation had already tripped.
(Therefore I was at least +500ms after the initial stroke.)  

The closest overhead powerlines (near the strike) is about 1000 metres
away.  One of the strokes did hit the overhead powerlines (somewhere)
and we had a blackout for 2.5 hours.  The interesting thing is that a
person I know lives about 500 metres away.  During that storm they lost
all electrical appliances connected to Foxtel pay-tv (cable decoder, TV,
amp, cd player, etc).  None of her neighbours had any problems.  Since
all services are underground at that location it has me wondering if one
of the strokes in the picture struck near that location as well.  The
moral of the story, even if you have underground services - disconnect
all appliances from the source and from each other during a storm.

While it did not scan in all that well, there are also lots of streamers
descending. 

The address is:

http://users.bigpond.net.au/spierings/storms/04NOV2000.jpg

This picture will have to tide me over until next summer.

Regards,


Anthony Spierings
as029 at bigpond.net.au

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From: "Simon Angell" <simon at winnet.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Sleet in Canberra
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style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think you may have been spot on there. There was 
a&nbsp;light SSW wind and the sun was behind the precipitation. It happened 
again today however it was more rain today. Yesterday it there was most 
definitely ice particles in the mix and it seemed to be very isolated (im 
talking about no more than 200m<SUP>2</SUP> were it was falling at its heaviest 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial 
size=2>&gt; Hi Simon,<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I guess you were talking about the 
precipitation over the Brindabellas <BR>&gt; yesterday? There were some good 
light stream showers over the higher parts <BR>&gt; of the Brindabellas for most 
of the day - with an occasional light shower <BR>&gt; reaching the Canberra 
suburbs.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Judging by yesterday's Wagga sounding, freezing level 
was at the 1793m level <BR>&gt; (</FONT><A 
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face=Arial size=2>).<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; This would have brought snow down to say 
around 1700m and sleet down to <BR>&gt; possibly 1500m&nbsp; at its lowest (it 
was a fairly dry airstream - so melting <BR>&gt; would have been 
reduced).<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Anything that fell in Canberra yesterday would have 
been well and truly <BR>&gt; liquid.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; A lot of people often 
think they have seen snow/sleet from showers over the <BR>&gt; ranges coming 
into Canberra when the temps are too high for either (ie <BR>&gt; around +8 or 
+9C). I sometimes thought this myself when I first came here.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 
The mechanism responsible is I think the rain shadow effect when we have 
<BR>&gt; strong westerly winds. The orographic effect causes showers over the 
<BR>&gt; Brindabellas (which appear to be stationary). As the airstream descends 
from <BR>&gt; the ranges as it passes over Canberra, it warms and dries. This 
warming and <BR>&gt; drying results in evaporation of the water droplets and ice 
particles that <BR>&gt; had precipitated out over the top of the ranges.<BR>&gt; 
<BR>&gt; The first particles to be evaporated are the smallest - ie the clouds. 
<BR>&gt; Gradually the larger particles also evaporate but at times their 
remnants <BR>&gt; will make it into the Canberra suburbs closest to the ranges 
(and sometimes <BR>&gt; further east). Because the clouds have evaporated, the 
sun is shining <BR>&gt; strongly through these particles making them look bright 
and snow/sleet <BR>&gt; like; their very small size enhances this effect; and 
people think it is <BR>&gt; colder than it is due to enhanced windchill.<BR>&gt; 
<BR>&gt; Generally the temperature would have to be less (often much less) than 
6 <BR>&gt; degrees in a very dry airmass for any of these particles to to retain 
any <BR>&gt; frozen component by the time they have descended to Canberra level. 
I have <BR>&gt; seen this happen on occasion - but yesterday was much too 
warm.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; From my experience, some of the pointers for snow in 
Canberra are:<BR>&gt; 1000-500mb thickness of less than 532dm, 850mb temp of 
less than -3.5, <BR>&gt; 1000-700mb thickness of less than 282dm.<BR>&gt; 
<BR>&gt; Today is a bit colder than yesterday - freezing level has fallen to 
1475m <BR>&gt; and it should get colder tonight. The latest runs of some models 
are <BR>&gt; suggesting tonight may get us close to some of these parameters - I 
would <BR>&gt; look out for possible sleet overnight - but we will probably be 
just a <BR>&gt; couple of degrees too warm.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Regards,<BR>&gt; 
<BR>&gt; Patrick<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 
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hi Robert,Nick and list,
yes as you maybe aware there has been a lot of shower activity here since 
Saturday afternoon, with the cells/showers rapidly weakening on landfall.All 
up about 30mm thus far.I took a couple of photos in Sunday morning of some 
ok CB's and that is about it,nothing too dramatic IMO.Looks like the pattern 
is continuing this morning with showers starting again at about 6am, oh 
well..... off to work.
I'll keep you posted if something noteworthy occurs.

regards T.Middleton
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>Subject: aus-wx: CHASE: Melbourne's frontal passage (almost)
>Date: Sat, 14 Jul 2001 21:46:04 +1000 (EST)
>
>
>Hi all
>
>With the frontal passage today came some action down south along the
>Mornington Peninsula.  After todays Vic ASWA meeting, and checking the
>radar situation, I headed south around 3pm.  Pictures are here:
>
>http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_07_14/today.html
>
>with a couple of movies. But once again the movies don't show anything
>really dramatic.
>
>I should point out that on a previous chase page I posted, the images
>were all crappy and very pixelated.  I didn't find this out until I looked
>on another computer, as with the 1280x1000 res that I use here, everything
>tends to look good no matter what!  So, hopefully there shouldn't be the
>same problem here.
>
>
>Cheers
>
>--
>
>Robert A. Goler
>
>Department of Mathematics and Statistics
>Monash University
>Clayton, Vic 3800
>Australia
>
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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Hi Tropos.
Looks like Darwin will experience one of the rare winter rain situations for
that region with the intensification of the baroclinic area across much of
central and northern Australia. I think the mean rainfall for Darwin in July
is less than 1mm(please confirm Blair.) Radar shows general 2-10mm/hr and
some 10-20mm/hr patches, the persistent and active baroclinic area across
Australia is interesting and appears connected with cyclogenisis around the
New Zealand region. regards Clyve Herbert.

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From: Blair Trewin <blair at atlas.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Rare July rain Darwin.
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> 
> Hi Tropos.
> Looks like Darwin will experience one of the rare winter rain situations for
> that region with the intensification of the baroclinic area across much of
> central and northern Australia. I think the mean rainfall for Darwin in July
> is less than 1mm(please confirm Blair.) Radar shows general 2-10mm/hr and
> some 10-20mm/hr patches, the persistent and active baroclinic area across
> Australia is interesting and appears connected with cyclogenisis around the
> New Zealand region. regards Clyve Herbert.
> 

The Darwin Airport mean for July is 1.0mm (1.3 at the Post Office).

They got 20.0 mm (not sure if this is a genuine 20.0, or a rounded
one) to 0900 today. This gives Darwin Airport its wettest July day,
and month, on record (previous record for both was 9.7mm in 1955).
The Post Office has been wetter, recording 65.0mm in the period 1-3
July 1900, including 43.4 on the 2nd.

To underline how rare such an event is, today is the first time 
since 1986 that more than 0.4mm had fallen on a July day at Darwin
Airport.

The (provisional) 95mm at Broome is equally extraordinary. It's 
clearly a July record for the site by a considerable margin; I'm 
currently running a job to check if it's the heaviest daily rainfall
ever recorded in July in northern WA.

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From: Blair Trewin <blair at atlas.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: aus-wx: Update of Vic April rains
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Some interesting manual observations from the April 22-24 rain event
in southern Victoria have come in.

Cape Schanck got 238.6mm on the 23rd. This is an extraordinary 
total for a coastal site without dramatic topography surrounding it;
goes to show that even small hills can make a big difference in such
a situation.

I'd been awaiting the Tanybryn figure with interest, but, somewhat
to my surprise, the highest 24-hour total was 164. Also nothing over
160 from South Gippsland.

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From: Blair Trewin <blair at atlas.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Rare July rain Darwin.
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> 
> The (provisional) 95mm at Broome is equally extraordinary. It's 
> clearly a July record for the site by a considerable margin; I'm 
> currently running a job to check if it's the heaviest daily rainfall
> ever recorded in July in northern WA.
> 

Not even close as it turns out - Beagle Bay got 220mm on 7 July 1978.
Their monthly total for July 1978 (224.0) is also a regional record
(I've arbitrarily defined northern WA as districts 1-4, roughly 
Roebourne northwards); that monthly total may come under some
pressure, especially if there is another rain event in the region
this weekend as some models are suggesting.

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From: "John Woodbridge" <jrw at pixelcom.net>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Snow Reports - Can you believe them !
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Hmm,

0C  at  Amberley this morning (-2C Ground Temp), which will be reported
tonight as Ipswich, yet  at  Mt. Crosby 13km North of Ipswich I record 9.1C
min using the new digital thermo (checked to 0.0C in Ice/water) and mounted
in a more exposed position and recording mins about 2C less than my old
Sixes type thermo.  I did get a 2.6C a week or two ago, so I tend to
believe the 9.1C read).  I noticed that my weekend max's were around 23C
which is 2C down on the regional temps - thus maybe my probe is still
too sheltered.  Even so, 9C is a lot different to 0C.  (Brisbane city
min was 10C).

John.
>Snip

On the general subject of meteorological reports and marketing, I
can assure you that the Bureau's files are bulging with correspondence
from various local governments, chambers of commerce et al. complaining
that the conditions reported from their area are detracting from
their marketing efforts - the usual complaint is that the observations
are too cold (normally when a site has moved from a poorly-exposed
town centre to an airport site or similar). The Ballarat City Council,
who seem exceedingly reluctant to accept that Ballarat is a cold place,
have been particularly persistent offenders over a period of at least
20 years. (On the other side of the coin, Stanthorpe - who have
turned their status as the frequently-coldest place in Queensland into
a selling point of its own - asked us to refer to the Applethorpe
research farm site, 5km up the road, as 'Stanthorpe' when the
Stanthorpe PO site closed a few years ago, as they wanted to keep
appearing on the news as the coldest place in the state!).

Blair

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Hi Blair,

I was thinking about that. I don't think that rain even during winter is 
extremely unusual for NW WA but in Darwin from my experience very unusual.

But this raises another point. The NW cloud bands in 1986 and 1978 seemed 
to be active. At some stage, there was some unusual rainfalls in SE 
Australia. In 1986, it was in August. In 1990, it was in August. The types 
of conditions were are getting at the moment (above average temperatures) 
seems to match those conditions in those years.

Hmmmm

Jimmy Deguara

At 11:50 AM 17/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >
> > The (provisional) 95mm at Broome is equally extraordinary. It's
> > clearly a July record for the site by a considerable margin; I'm
> > currently running a job to check if it's the heaviest daily rainfall
> > ever recorded in July in northern WA.
> >
>
>Not even close as it turns out - Beagle Bay got 220mm on 7 July 1978.
>Their monthly total for July 1978 (224.0) is also a regional record
>(I've arbitrarily defined northern WA as districts 1-4, roughly
>Roebourne northwards); that monthly total may come under some
>pressure, especially if there is another rain event in the region
>this weekend as some models are suggesting.
>
>Blair
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Hey all,
While I was at uni I remember doing "cluster analysis" on rainfall patterns as part 
of a project, it looked at rainfall patterns across each year for a site with long 
rainfall record and grouped years with similar patterns on a diagram so most El 
Nino years, for example, appeared in one part of the diagram, but it then divided 
these up into different types of El Nino years. It was quite interesting, I seem to 
recall that I looked at Perth but as a group we covered much of the country.  I've 
often wondered what would happen if you took these grouped years and looked 
at the the weather patterns which dominated throughout each year to see how 
they matched up.  I must dig it out.

Rhett



> Jimmy Deguara <jdeguara at ihug.com.au> wrote:
> 
> Hi Blair,
> 
> I was thinking about that. I don't think that rain even during winter
> is 
> extremely unusual for NW WA but in Darwin from my experience very
> unusual.
> 
> But this raises another point. The NW cloud bands in 1986 and 1978
> seemed 
> to be active. At some stage, there was some unusual rainfalls in SE 
> Australia. In 1986, it was in August. In 1990, it was in August. The
> types 
> of conditions were are getting at the moment (above average
> temperatures) 
> seems to match those conditions in those years.
> 
> Hmmmm
> 
> Jimmy Deguara
> 
> At 11:50 AM 17/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
> > >
> > > The (provisional) 95mm at Broome is equally extraordinary. It's
> > > clearly a July record for the site by a considerable margin; I'm
> > > currently running a job to check if it's the heaviest daily
> rainfall
> > > ever recorded in July in northern WA.
> > >
> >
> >Not even close as it turns out - Beagle Bay got 220mm on 7 July
> 1978.
> >Their monthly total for July 1978 (224.0) is also a regional record
> >(I've arbitrarily defined northern WA as districts 1-4, roughly
> >Roebourne northwards); that monthly total may come under some
> >pressure, especially if there is another rain event in the region
> >this weekend as some models are suggesting.
> >
> >Blair
> > 
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> 
> from
> Schofields, Sydney
> NSW Australia
> 
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> 
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> 
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Afternoon all,

Just spoke to a girlfriend in Darwin - she said that it started raining at
her place in Palmerston at about 0645 & continued till about 1100. I haven't
been able to convince her to buy a rainguage yet - maybe that'll be her Xmas
present. 7.2mm at the airport since 9am as per the Aviation report.

Meanwhile the Melbourne area & south of the ranges is starting to look
rather more unstable than this morning with 'closely scattered' showers (ok,
speckled on radar & lots of them but unfortunately only 2-10srather than
20-40s)

Jane
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the maximum rainfall from this event was at South Boambee AWS - a 
mountain pluvio set up by BoM and Manly Hydralics.
It measured 493 mm in the 24 hours to 9 am on 24/11/1996
Max intensities were:
64.5 mm in 30 minutes at 8.10 pm on 23rd
111.5 mm in 1 hour from 7.55 pm
198.0 mm in 2 hours from 7 pm
272.5 mm in 3 hours from 6 pm
335.0 mm in 4 hours from 5 pm
399.5 mm in 5 hours from 4 pm
446.5 mm in 6 hours from 3 pm
488.5 mm in 12 hours from 9.15 am
Other AWSs in the area reported a little less
eg Newports Creek 274 mm in 4 hours and 365 mm in 6 hours
Middle Boambee 256 mm in 4 hours and 357 mm in 6 hours
North Bonville 287 mm in 4 hours and 375 mm in 6 hours
Based of probability plot of past data, the 3 hour fall has a retrun 
period of 1 in 4000 years !!!

The 4 hou total broke the previous NSW record of 290 mm at Federal near 
Lismore on 29 Feb 1976 but the 6 hour fall fell short of the 515 mm at 
Wongawilli  SW of Wollongong on 18 Feb 1984.
note that Binbee (Qld) had 607 mm in 4.5 hours on 6 Jan 1980 while the 
world record still stands a 782 mm in 4.5 hours at Smethport, USA on 18 
July 1942

Cheers,
Don White


Michael Bath wrote:

> Hi Ian and all,
> 
> A little information on this event is here:
> http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/1996/docs/9611-02.htm
> 
> cheers, Michael
> 
> 
> At 10:35 PM 11/7/2001 +1000, you wrote:
> 
>> Dear Jimmy - aussie weatherwatchers,
>> 
>> Without doubt the biggest storm event was the November 1996 (date?), 
>> super
>> storm. And wouldn't you know it, I was away for the weekend! But my 
>> family
>> were still here.
>> 
>>  From memory the storm was categorised in the 1 in 200 - 1 in 500 year 
>> storm
>> event. Most flat areas in Coffs Harbour were flooded. But Sawtell a 
>> few km's
>> south didn't receive anything like the downpour.
>> 
>> Rain started on the Friday but the main storm hit on the Saturday and 
>> more
>> particularly Saturday night. I remember looking at this storm as I 
>> drove out
>> on the Friday and thinking geez that looks like a mean storm. Very black
>> with a towering thunderhead (wont mention cloud type - probably get it
>> wrong - hopefully ill get better at naming clouds hanging around here).
>> 
>> Coffs Harbour received "officially 16" of rain on the Saturday with 
>> 12" of
>> that falling in a 4 hour period. But reports from up the valleys 
>> indicated
>> much higher rainfall as the storm pushed against a mountain range. 
>> Classic
>> orthographic rainfall (hopefully got that right).
>> 
>> Two valleys - the North Boambee valley and the valley in which Coffs 
>> Harbour
>> sits were particularly heavily hit. Its almost as if a super cell sat 
>> over
>> the ridge line between the two valleys sending water both ways. The 
>> mountain
>> on the northern side of Coffs Harbour is the higher mountain so 
>> presents a
>> blocking problem for onshore winds.
>> 
>> For those who don't know Coffs Harbour, the topography is a narrow 
>> coastal
>> plan backed by hills and mountains up to 800 feet.
>> 
>> With 12" falling in 4 hours in these narrow coastal plains, the result 
>> was
>> extensive flooding - never seen in Coffs Harbour with flood water in the
>> city mall of about 1metre.
>> 
>> The amazing thing was that the storm finished about midnight and my 
>> sister
>> who was in Coffs Harbour at the time, heard a lot of noise in the street.
>> 
>> She walked outside and although her house wasn't flooded, most of the 
>> houses
>> around her were, the water was about 4 feet deep in the roadway. 
>> People were
>> everywhere, as the flood waters broke through their houses.
>> 
>> This was just on midnight and just as the strongest downpour had ended.
>> 
>> As she stood outside the storm (cant recall her mentioning lightning or
>> thunder but) drifted out to sea, and the moon and stars came out in an
>> almost clear sky.
>> 
>> While all around everything was madly flooding with no clouds and no 
>> rain.
>> That's how sudden that was.
>> 
>> 
>> Ian Isles
>> 
>> Coffs Harbour
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Hi Weather Enthusiast. Your July Newsletter is in this message.

Please note several people have changed their e-mail address without 
telling me.
Notables are Paul Graham, Tim Grugeon, and a few others.
If these people do not contact me before September they will be removed 
from the list.

Regards Roger.

A.M.O.S.  WEATHERWATCH  NEWS

AUSTRALIAN METEOROLOGICAL & OCEANOGRAPHIC SOCIETY,

A.M.O.S. SYDNEY CENTRE - WEATHERWATCH GROUP

NEWSLETTER NUMBER 01-07 - JULY 2001

The Next Meeting of the AMOS Weatherwatch Group will be on

Wednesday 25th July 2001 at 7:30pm (19:30) at

Macquarie University, Building E5A, Room 143 (E5A-143).

Expensive Parking is available in University Car-Parks see notes below.

The Main Item:- A Joint Presentation by

Jimmy Deguara and David Croan

Theme:- 'Storm Chasing Experiences in the U.S.A.'

The Presentation will include a 50 minute video of their observations.

Storm Spotters, Storm Chasers, observers, students, and professionals are 
welcome.

Mr. Neal Moodie our contact at the Bureau will probably be able to

present rainfall and temperature data for June and July.

Mr. Roger Nurse will co-ordinate the meeting.

Visitors are very welcome. Discussion will follow the presentation, and 
light refreshments will be available during the meeting.

The Following Meeting will be on Wednesday 3rd October 2001,

Michael Scollay will present 'Evidence of Climate Change'.

Note the change in date.



PTO for More Meetings>>>

At meetings of Weatherwatch be careful about your

parking, fees have changed to be $1.00 for the first hour, but a total of 
$4.00 for two, three or four hours, and a MAXIMUM OF $5.00 If you want to 
stay until midnight. Sorry folks, it will cost you $4.00.

You can run outside and pay a dollar every hour if you wish.

Enquiries Contact:-

Alan Williams (02)9488.9975 Paul Graham (02)9888.2527

Jimmy Deguara (02)9627.1943 Roger Nurse (02)9449.1473

Neal Moodie (02)9296.1555 Bureau of Meteorology Contact

Dr. Milton Speer (02)9296.1618 AMOS Sydney Centre Chair & BoM.

Future dates of the AMOS Weatherwatch Meetings for 2001 will be :-

Wednesday 03rd October

Wednesday 28th November (may be combined with AMOS)

Recent Meetings. At the last Weatherwatch Meeting on 30th May we heard from 
members how they became involved in Meteorology.

It was interesting to note how many were influenced by school teachers.

ASWA Annual General Meeting at The Weather Channel on Sat.14th July.

AMOS held the scientific meeting at University of New South Wales on 27th 
June when Professor Jason Middleton, of Uni. NSW spoke on the Winds and 
Runway Usage at Sydney Airport. An excellent evening.

Advanced Notice. AMOS will be conducting a Weather Radar Course on Saturday 
Afternoon on 25th August at Macquarie University. Notes will be provided on 
Severe Weather and Radar, etc. Cost $20 for General Public, $10 for 
Students and AMOS Members, AMOS Student Members Free. More Information will 
be available at the Weatherwatch Meeting.

Recent Weather

Second warmest June on Record in Sydney.

Poor Snow on Snowy Mountains and Victorian Alps.

Low Rainfall in NSW and Queensland.

Heavy Seas along East Coast of Australia.

Drought in Pakistan and Afganistan. Drought in Mongolia and N.Korea.

Warnings

If you are not a member of AMOS, and have not attended or sent apologies 
during this year you will be deleted from the mailing list.

Wishing all our members and friends a safe, interesting Winter season.

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From: Blair Trewin <blair at atlas.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Re: 1996 Super storm in Coffs Harbour
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> 
> the maximum rainfall from this event was at South Boambee AWS - a 
> mountain pluvio set up by BoM and Manly Hydralics.
> It measured 493 mm in the 24 hours to 9 am on 24/11/1996
> Max intensities were:
> 64.5 mm in 30 minutes at 8.10 pm on 23rd
> 111.5 mm in 1 hour from 7.55 pm
> 198.0 mm in 2 hours from 7 pm
> 272.5 mm in 3 hours from 6 pm
> 335.0 mm in 4 hours from 5 pm
> 399.5 mm in 5 hours from 4 pm
> 446.5 mm in 6 hours from 3 pm
> 488.5 mm in 12 hours from 9.15 am
> Other AWSs in the area reported a little less
> eg Newports Creek 274 mm in 4 hours and 365 mm in 6 hours
> Middle Boambee 256 mm in 4 hours and 357 mm in 6 hours
> North Bonville 287 mm in 4 hours and 375 mm in 6 hours
> Based of probability plot of past data, the 3 hour fall has a retrun 
> period of 1 in 4000 years !!!
> 
> The 4 hou total broke the previous NSW record of 290 mm at Federal near 
> Lismore on 29 Feb 1976 but the 6 hour fall fell short of the 515 mm at 
> Wongawilli  SW of Wollongong on 18 Feb 1984.

Not sure where the 4-hour record comes from - the Wongawilli rainfall
rate over 6 hours (86 mm/hour) is well in excess of the 4-hour rate
at Federal. (I suspect it may be because the table in the Australian
Met. Mag article on the subject doesn't list a 4-hour total). 
Indeed, the 3-hour total for Wongawilli (296) is higher than the
stated 4-hour record.

Looking at a plot of the Wongawilli fall, I'd estimate the maximum
4-hour rainfall there at 360 +/- 20 mm (I don't have the exact data).

Blair

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From: "Bussie" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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Anyone notice that the yellow wattle is beginning to bloom already. A
natural sign that spring is coming. Although from memory I think that last
year the wattle never bloomed until nearly the end of July.
Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)

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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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> Anyone notice that the yellow wattle is beginning to bloom already. A
> natural sign that spring is coming. Although from memory I think that
last
> year the wattle never bloomed until nearly the end of July.
> Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)


Hey Bussie,

Everything is a month early down here - the soil temperature just hasn't
dropped as much as 'normal' (this term used with great hesitation).  My
wattle usually flowers at the end of July & has been flowering for the
last fortnight, I can't prune the roses because they haven't stopped
flowering yet & the red double camellia (whcih is the worst flowerer of
the lot) is flowering furiously for the first time in 8 years!!!!

Jane
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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Hi Bussie.
The national weather climate centre has just issued its climatic outlook and
have predicted a 65% chance of higher than average temps for Victoria during
Aug to Oct.....!, but I heard nothing about rainfall....regards Clyve H.
also the wattle has been out here for over a month now...
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> Anyone notice that the yellow wattle is beginning to bloom already. A
> natural sign that spring is coming. Although from memory I think that last
> year the wattle never bloomed until nearly the end of July.
> Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Proper cold outbreak South Tasman.
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 20:37:17 +1000
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Hi all cold outbreak lovers.
The strengthening of the high over SA and major cyclogenisis over the NZ
area is allowing the development of a surge of proper cold air into the
south Tasman and then onto the southern part of the south island NZ,some
pretty decent cold air CBs down there and what appears to be solid cold air
at 500hpa. Invercargill looks to be the place to be tonight and
tomorrow.regards Clyve H.

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Rose bushes regardless must be pruned in June. If done correctly they will
bloom magnificently around Melbourne Cup time. I got taught early that if a
rose bush gets pruned early in June it will go mad around this time. Hell.
I'm on the wrong list here. Over and out.........
Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
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> > Anyone notice that the yellow wattle is beginning to bloom already. A
> > natural sign that spring is coming. Although from memory I think that
> last
> > year the wattle never bloomed until nearly the end of July.
> > Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
>
>
> Hey Bussie,
>
> Everything is a month early down here - the soil temperature just hasn't
> dropped as much as 'normal' (this term used with great hesitation).  My
> wattle usually flowers at the end of July & has been flowering for the
> last fortnight, I can't prune the roses because they haven't stopped
> flowering yet & the red double camellia (whcih is the worst flowerer of
> the lot) is flowering furiously for the first time in 8 years!!!!
>
> Jane
> --------------------------------
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> cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
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> http://www.stormchasers.au.com
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Funnily enough that doesn't surprise me at all. I like to watch "natures
signs" if anyone hasn't guessed and try to take a note of the different
signs. Marvellous though how you say you will remember "that" and never do.
I used to go around the different forests here with my Grandpa and he used
to point out things to me. Being very young at the time I never took most of
it in. :-)
Bussie the backyard bushman...........
May be why I never "survived" in Melbourne.
Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
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> Hi Bussie.
> The national weather climate centre has just issued its climatic outlook
and
> have predicted a 65% chance of higher than average temps for Victoria
during
> Aug to Oct.....!, but I heard nothing about rainfall....regards Clyve H.
> also the wattle has been out here for over a month now...
> ----- Original Message -----
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>
>
> > Anyone notice that the yellow wattle is beginning to bloom already. A
> > natural sign that spring is coming. Although from memory I think that
last
> > year the wattle never bloomed until nearly the end of July.
> > Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
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Hi all

Well, I headed down Wonthaggi way to encounter some Cbs drifting off Bass
Strait in the southwesterly airstream.  Unfortunately, due to lack of
shear(??) the convection was structureless, and combined with the low
level cloud, not many photo opportunites came up.  Anyway, here's what I
saw:

http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_07_17/today.html

The highlight of the day would've been my unexpected encounter with a
bird ;-), which I guess shows you what an ordinary day it was.


Cheers

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Hi Robert.
100% for effort! hope you can come on the annual ASWA chase end of November
you will love it. The Blue wren is an excellent touch!!.See you on Friday.
best wishes Clyve Herbert.
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>
> Hi all
>
> Well, I headed down Wonthaggi way to encounter some Cbs drifting off Bass
> Strait in the southwesterly airstream.  Unfortunately, due to lack of
> shear(??) the convection was structureless, and combined with the low
> level cloud, not many photo opportunites came up.  Anyway, here's what I
> saw:
>
> http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_07_17/today.html
>
> The highlight of the day would've been my unexpected encounter with a
> bird ;-), which I guess shows you what an ordinary day it was.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> --
>
> Robert A. Goler
>
> Department of Mathematics and Statistics
> Monash University
> Clayton, Vic 3800
> Australia
>
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Hi again all!

I'm following the conversations on the list with great interest, but feel 
that I'm too far away to contribute with anything. (hopefully that will 
change soon...sigh!)
Now, there is something that happened here on the west coast of Norway 
(Bergen, to be exact), which I thought maybe someone could explain, or 
comment on.
It was in the evening in late February this year, or early March, and the 
snow was falling thick outside. The temperature must have been around 0. (I 
think from now on I'll take weather-notes :-) Suddenly there was a HUGE 
crack of thunder right above, which made me jump 2m in my chair! I hadn't 
expected anything like it, and particularly not on a snowy day! There were 
several other thundercracks following, but I couldn't observe any 
lightening, perhaps because of the poor vision? Anyway, it was weird! Any 
comments?

By the way, I have a web-site, if anyone is interested: 
http://home.online.no/~svehja/
I must admit, it's not the grooviest design, and the content is... thinnish, 
but at least you can have a look at some of the photos I've taken. I will 
post more of them, but as you may have guessed, there are no huge photo 
opportunities in a country like this! And I'm sorry the guestbook is in 
Norwegian...that too will change one day. :-)

regards,
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi there,&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cold air is already affecting the North Island with 
45cm of new snow at Whakapapa ski field yesterday.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There has been some hail and thunder around 
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From: "Les Crossan" <les.crossan at virgin.net>
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Cannot see any problems with thunder in snow - living in Norway you'll know
all about cold fronts, freezing rain, polar maritime air and polar lows....
you'll get your fair share of single cells in spring!! Not to mention
subzero temperatures in a Scandinavian block.

Europe has plenty to contribute to severe weather - ask anyone in Majorca
(tornado this week), France (T5 tornado levelling a brick house this week) ,
northern Italy (tornado) or the UK (waterspouts and at least three
tornadoes) or anyone under that line of MCS extending from France to
Holland - again this week or the Vshaped anvil with the overshooting top in
front of it...

Cb can produce snow as well as hail / rain. Keep talking about snow, the
ozzies love it (:

I live in the UK and contribute regularly to the auswx list, and
news://uk.sci.weather for that matter...

Les

Les Crossan and Christine Challen,
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> Hi again all!
>
> I'm following the conversations on the list with great interest, but feel
> that I'm too far away to contribute with anything. (hopefully that will
> change soon...sigh!)

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Hi Adele,

Thunder while snow is falling is colloquially called 'thundersnow.'  It
does indeed happen, although the idea of a thunderstorm occuring in such
cold conditions often seems foreign!  We are all familiar with requiring
warm and humid air to produce thunderstorms.  But just how warm and
humid does it have to be?  This largely depends on the upper
atmosphere.  If the upper atmosphere is very warm - ie, lets say we're
in the tropics.  Then we'd need very high temperatures and dewpoints for
the atmosphere to become unstable enough.

However, if we're in a colder place - like where you experienced
thundersnow (Norway), where the upper atmosphere is colder, then we
don't need as high temperatures and dewpoints.  And then if you get a
situation where the upper atmosphere is extremely cold, you get to the
stage where a temperature of zero degrees Celsius would be sufficient
instability for thunderstorms to occur!

Air rises relative to its surroundings, so while 0C seems cold - if the
upper tempatures are even colder relative to an ascending air parcel,
then it can continue to rise and produce a thunderstorm!

Thundersnow is something I want to experience eventually :)

AC

PS - Nice site!!!

adele jaunn wrote:
> 
> Hi again all!
> 
> I'm following the conversations on the list with great interest, but feel
> that I'm too far away to contribute with anything. (hopefully that will
> change soon...sigh!)
> Now, there is something that happened here on the west coast of Norway
> (Bergen, to be exact), which I thought maybe someone could explain, or
> comment on.
> It was in the evening in late February this year, or early March, and the
> snow was falling thick outside. The temperature must have been around 0. (I
> think from now on I'll take weather-notes :-) Suddenly there was a HUGE
> crack of thunder right above, which made me jump 2m in my chair! I hadn't
> expected anything like it, and particularly not on a snowy day! There were
> several other thundercracks following, but I couldn't observe any
> lightening, perhaps because of the poor vision? Anyway, it was weird! Any
> comments?
> 
> By the way, I have a web-site, if anyone is interested:
> http://home.online.no/~svehja/
> I must admit, it's not the grooviest design, and the content is... thinnish,
> but at least you can have a look at some of the photos I've taken. I will
> post more of them, but as you may have guessed, there are no huge photo
> opportunities in a country like this! And I'm sorry the guestbook is in
> Norwegian...that too will change one day. :-)
> 
> regards,
> Adele Jaunn
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Yes, I have heard thunder during falling snow while visiting the USA.
Adele, your site is good; I just had a look at it.  Keep up the good work.

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Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:22:28
Subject: aus-wx: thunder and snow

> Hi again all!
> 
> I'm following the conversations on the list with great interest, but
> feel 
> that I'm too far away to contribute with anything. (hopefully that will
> change soon...sigh!)
> Now, there is something that happened here on the west coast of Norway 
> (Bergen, to be exact), which I thought maybe someone could explain, or 
> comment on.
> It was in the evening in late February this year, or early March, and
> the 
> snow was falling thick outside. The temperature must have been around
> 0. (I 
> think from now on I'll take weather-notes :-) Suddenly there was a HUGE
> crack of thunder right above, which made me jump 2m in my chair! I
> hadn't 
> expected anything like it, and particularly not on a snowy day! There
> were 
> several other thundercracks following, but I couldn't observe any 
> lightening, perhaps because of the poor vision? Anyway, it was weird!
> Any 
> comments?
> 
> By the way, I have a web-site, if anyone is interested: 
> http://home.online.no/~svehja/
> I must admit, it's not the grooviest design, and the content is...
> thinnish, 
> but at least you can have a look at some of the photos I've taken. I
> will 
> post more of them, but as you may have guessed, there are no huge photo
> opportunities in a country like this! And I'm sorry the guestbook is in
> Norwegian...that too will change one day. :-)
> 
> regards,
> Adele Jaunn
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From: "islesit" <islesit at tpg.com.au>
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Hallo all,

Experienced a thundersnow at perisher in 1981. Very weird coming from sub
tropical coffs harbour - you are used to thunderstorms building on warm
days. But not in the snow.

I remember it was snowing and blizzarding at the time, at night and from
memory very early morning (5.00am roughly - so I didn't get out of a nice
warm bed to look) and from memory there was also some lightning. It sticks
in my mind as being one of those unusual weather events.

Also thanks for all the information on the Coffs Harbour superstorm.

Ian Isles

Coffs Harbour.

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Hi Adele,

Thunder while snow is falling is colloquially called 'thundersnow.'  It
does indeed happen, although the idea of a thunderstorm occuring in such
cold conditions often seems foreign!  We are all familiar with requiring
warm and humid air to produce thunderstorms.  But just how warm and
humid does it have to be?  This largely depends on the upper
atmosphere.  If the upper atmosphere is very warm - ie, lets say we're
in the tropics.  Then we'd need very high temperatures and dewpoints for
the atmosphere to become unstable enough.

However, if we're in a colder place - like where you experienced
thundersnow (Norway), where the upper atmosphere is colder, then we
don't need as high temperatures and dewpoints.  And then if you get a
situation where the upper atmosphere is extremely cold, you get to the
stage where a temperature of zero degrees Celsius would be sufficient
instability for thunderstorms to occur!

Air rises relative to its surroundings, so while 0C seems cold - if the
upper tempatures are even colder relative to an ascending air parcel,
then it can continue to rise and produce a thunderstorm!

Thundersnow is something I want to experience eventually :)

AC

PS - Nice site!!!

adele jaunn wrote:
>
> Hi again all!
>
> I'm following the conversations on the list with great interest, but feel
> that I'm too far away to contribute with anything. (hopefully that will
> change soon...sigh!)
> Now, there is something that happened here on the west coast of Norway
> (Bergen, to be exact), which I thought maybe someone could explain, or
> comment on.
> It was in the evening in late February this year, or early March, and the
> snow was falling thick outside. The temperature must have been around 0.
(I
> think from now on I'll take weather-notes :-) Suddenly there was a HUGE
> crack of thunder right above, which made me jump 2m in my chair! I hadn't
> expected anything like it, and particularly not on a snowy day! There were
> several other thundercracks following, but I couldn't observe any
> lightening, perhaps because of the poor vision? Anyway, it was weird! Any
> comments?
>
> By the way, I have a web-site, if anyone is interested:
> http://home.online.no/~svehja/
> I must admit, it's not the grooviest design, and the content is...
thinnish,
> but at least you can have a look at some of the photos I've taken. I will
> post more of them, but as you may have guessed, there are no huge photo
> opportunities in a country like this! And I'm sorry the guestbook is in
> Norwegian...that too will change one day. :-)
>
> regards,
> Adele Jaunn
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In message <F216oHzGkzMcvsq9IcV00007039 at hotmail.com>, adele jaunn
<ajaunn at hotmail.com> writes
>Hi again all!
>
>I'm following the conversations on the list with great interest, but feel 
>that I'm too far away to contribute with anything. (hopefully that will 
>change soon...sigh!)
>Now, there is something that happened here on the west coast of Norway 
>(Bergen, to be exact), which I thought maybe someone could explain, or 
>comment on.
>It was in the evening in late February this year, or early March, and the 
>snow was falling thick outside. The temperature must have been around 0. (I 
>think from now on I'll take weather-notes :-) Suddenly there was a HUGE 
>crack of thunder right above, which made me jump 2m in my chair! I hadn't 
>expected anything like it, and particularly not on a snowy day! There were 
>several other thundercracks following, but I couldn't observe any 
>lightening, perhaps because of the poor vision? Anyway, it was weird! Any 
>comments?

On the west and north coasts of Scotland in polar maritime airstreams in
winter it is quite common to have thunder and lightning in heavy snow
showers. These cumulonimbus clouds often have tops below 15,000 feet and
sometimes below 10,000 feet. Even so, the tops are fully glaciated and
usually have classic anvil shapes. The cloud base is usually below 800
feet and sometimes below 500 feet. The cause is the very marked
instability resulting from the very cold air from far north travelling
across the very much warmer seas around the west coast of Europe.

Norman.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have a question about windchill. If you had a 
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was approx. 32 km/h which gave a windchill of approx. 0 deg then if conditions 
were showery, would it be possible for it to sleet/snow&nbsp;or is windchill 
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At 20:37 17/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi all cold outbreak lovers.
>The strengthening of the high over SA and major cyclogenisis over the NZ
>area is allowing the development of a surge of proper cold air into the
>south Tasman and then onto the southern part of the south island NZ,some
>pretty decent cold air CBs down there and what appears to be solid cold air
>at 500hpa. Invercargill looks to be the place to be tonight and
>tomorrow.regards Clyve H.


I'll keep you posted, Clyve

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Hi All,

I suppose the question is "what is the electrification mechanism?".  The
conventional explanations revolve around interactions of water in the solid
& liquid states.  Is it that some part of the cloud contains water droplets
in the liquid state (perhaps supercooled), and snow flakes falling through
this manufacture charge separation (although you would expect hail to
rapidly form in this scenario), or is it that sufficient turbulence can lead
to charge separation through some friction mechanism?

John.
>snip

Hallo all,

Experienced a thundersnow at perisher in 1981. Very weird coming from sub
tropical coffs harbour - you are used to thunderstorms building on warm
days. But not in the snow.

I remember it was snowing and blizzarding at the time, at night and from
memory very early morning (5.00am roughly - so I didn't get out of a nice
warm bed to look) and from memory there was also some lightning. It sticks
in my mind as being one of those unusual weather events.

Also thanks for all the information on the Coffs Harbour superstorm.

Ian Isles

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have seen a snowstorm with thunder and lightning 
in South Otago, Southern NZ. The lightning was</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>dramatic because the visibility in the snow would 
only be a few hundred metres so you don't see the</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>lightning bolt, rather a bright glow. 
Spectacular.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Usually the more active cb's in a cold outbreak 
produce soft hail. Soft hail is merely a snow flake that</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>is rolled into a ball by the turbulence of the cb. 
Soft hail is quite common in southern New Zealand.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'm sure soft hail would occur in the more elevated 
parts of Tas. and Vic.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I now live in the milder climes of Auckland and 
miss the fabulous winter weather of the south.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As you have you have indicated, wind-chill is a 
parameter for us humans only. Solid precipitation hates 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>above 0C regardless of wind speed.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have a question about windchill. If you had a 
  temp that wouldn't be cold enough for sleet/snow eg. approx 10 deg and the 
  wind was approx. 32 km/h which gave a windchill of approx. 0 deg then if 
  conditions were showery, would it be possible for it to sleet/snow&nbsp;or is 
  windchill related more to how our bodies feel the cold rather than the effect 
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Yep.  it's the "way it feels" (at least in theory) and there have been 
recent remarks around the traps that they have the calculations 
significantly wrong for even that.  So a 0 windchill will not freeze 
anything other than your own perceptions.

Phil
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> Hi,
> I have a question about windchill. If you had a temp that wouldn't be
> cold enough for sleet/snow eg. approx 10 deg and the wind was approx.
> 32 km/h which gave a windchill of approx. 0 deg then if conditions were
> showery, would it be possible for it to sleet/snow or is windchill
> related more to how our bodies feel the cold rather than the effect the
> windchill has on the weather. Thanks.
> 
> Dave Ellem
> 


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At 18:39 18/07/01 +1200, you wrote:
>   I have seen a snowstorm with thunder and lightning  in South Otago,
>Southern NZ. The lightning was dramatic because the visibility in the snow
>would  only be a few hundred metres so you don't see the lightning bolt,
>rather a bright glow.  Spectacular. Usually the more active cb's in a cold
>outbreak  produce soft hail. Soft hail is merely a snow flake that is
>rolled into a ball by the turbulence of the cb.  Soft hail is quite common
>in southern New Zealand. I'm sure soft hail would occur in the more
>elevated  parts of Tas. and Vic. I now live in the milder climes of
>Auckland and  miss the fabulous winter weather of the south. Steven
>Williams NZweather   

The Big Snow of 1992 plus the cold winter here in ChCh in 1995 produced
some snow thunder and lightning. I was driving a train between Rangiora and
Kaiapoi when it was snowing, well sleety snow, when all of a sudden a big
huge flash and instant thunder which was so loud it was heard over the
noise of the train.
I see there were spectacular cloud towers around Auckland/northern North
Island today resulting in isolated bursts of heavy rain as described by
Augie Auer on the TV3 weather tonight. This current trough over NZ looks as
thought it had some interesting weather aound it's periphery.

JohnGaul
NZ Thunderstorm Society

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And just a musical 'side topic' to this:
The night Beethoven died in Vienna, it was snowing with a thunderstorm. As
it was (26th) March 1827 I don't know how cold it would have been..probably
colder than zero degrees, as they would be just coming out of winter. The
story, which to the best of my knowledge is reliable, is that with a clap of
thunder and instantaneous lightning, Beethoven sat up in his bed with a
defiant look on his face, then lay down and died....
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> Hi Adele,
>
> Thunder while snow is falling is colloquially called 'thundersnow.'  It
> does indeed happen, although the idea of a thunderstorm occuring in such
> cold conditions often seems foreign!  We are all familiar with requiring
> warm and humid air to produce thunderstorms.  But just how warm and
> humid does it have to be?  This largely depends on the upper
> atmosphere.  If the upper atmosphere is very warm - ie, lets say we're
> in the tropics.  Then we'd need very high temperatures and dewpoints for
> the atmosphere to become unstable enough.
>
> However, if we're in a colder place - like where you experienced
> thundersnow (Norway), where the upper atmosphere is colder, then we
> don't need as high temperatures and dewpoints.  And then if you get a
> situation where the upper atmosphere is extremely cold, you get to the
> stage where a temperature of zero degrees Celsius would be sufficient
> instability for thunderstorms to occur!
>
> Air rises relative to its surroundings, so while 0C seems cold - if the
> upper tempatures are even colder relative to an ascending air parcel,
> then it can continue to rise and produce a thunderstorm!
>
> Thundersnow is something I want to experience eventually :)
>
> AC
>
> PS - Nice site!!!
>
> adele jaunn wrote:
> >
> > Hi again all!
> >
> > I'm following the conversations on the list with great interest, but
feel
> > that I'm too far away to contribute with anything. (hopefully that will
> > change soon...sigh!)
> > Now, there is something that happened here on the west coast of Norway
> > (Bergen, to be exact), which I thought maybe someone could explain, or
> > comment on.
> > It was in the evening in late February this year, or early March, and
the
> > snow was falling thick outside. The temperature must have been around 0.
(I
> > think from now on I'll take weather-notes :-) Suddenly there was a HUGE
> > crack of thunder right above, which made me jump 2m in my chair! I
hadn't
> > expected anything like it, and particularly not on a snowy day! There
were
> > several other thundercracks following, but I couldn't observe any
> > lightening, perhaps because of the poor vision? Anyway, it was weird!
Any
> > comments?
> >
> > By the way, I have a web-site, if anyone is interested:
> > http://home.online.no/~svehja/
> > I must admit, it's not the grooviest design, and the content is...
thinnish,
> > but at least you can have a look at some of the photos I've taken. I
will
> > post more of them, but as you may have guessed, there are no huge photo
> > opportunities in a country like this! And I'm sorry the guestbook is in
> > Norwegian...that too will change one day. :-)
> >
> > regards,
> > Adele Jaunn
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From: "Bussie" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>No expert but its the temp that you feel and has no 
effect that I know of on the weather. Basically you have a cold temp and wind 
which makes it feel colder than it actually is.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)</DIV>
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  temp that wouldn't be cold enough for sleet/snow eg. approx 10 deg and the 
  wind was approx. 32 km/h which gave a windchill of approx. 0 deg then if 
  conditions were showery, would it be possible for it to sleet/snow&nbsp;or is 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This low that has engulfed our Islands seems to be 
hitting the North island a lot harder than the South.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There has been big dumps of snow on the Ruapahue 
ski fields but none in Queenstown. As you said,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>the weather has been very unstable over Auckland 
with some active cb's about over the last few days.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Very typical of this weather pattern. Auckland is a 
west coast location and can get hit as hard as</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hokitika sometimes. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As the winds turn south there maybe some good snow 
inland south Island. The valleys are frozen</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>solid and this will help to lower the freezing 
level.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
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From: "Bussie" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Wind chill question
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Regards to the wind chill question. If it's right or not it feels bloody
cold at present. Wind-chill dropped to 1 a few minutes ago and is hovering
around 2-3 at the minute. Winds up around 20kmh from the WNW
Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)

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From: "Bussie" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'll ask. What is Hokitika? Is it anything like 
"holy S#$%".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Seriously though. What is Hokitika? A saying, 
location? Sorry for being an ignoramus.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi John,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This low that has engulfed our Islands seems to 
  be hitting the North island a lot harder than the South.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There has been big dumps of snow on the Ruapahue 
  ski fields but none in Queenstown. As you said,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>the weather has been very unstable over Auckland 
  with some active cb's about over the last few days.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Very typical of this weather pattern. Auckland is 
  a west coast location and can get hit as hard as</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hokitika sometimes. </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As the winds turn south there maybe some good 
  snow inland south Island. The valleys are frozen</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>solid and this will help to lower the freezing 
  level.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheers</FONT></DIV>
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Hi all!

Thanks for all your info! The term thundersnow makes sense now...and I'm 
glad I was able to experience it! :-)

Adele

PS. Maybe Beethoven got just as surprised as me... hehehe.

>From: "Keith Barnett" <kbarnett at bigpond.net>
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>
>And just a musical 'side topic' to this:
>The night Beethoven died in Vienna, it was snowing with a thunderstorm. As
>it was (26th) March 1827 I don't know how cold it would have been..probably
>colder than zero degrees, as they would be just coming out of winter. The
>story, which to the best of my knowledge is reliable, is that with a clap 
>of
>thunder and instantaneous lightning, Beethoven sat up in his bed with a
>defiant look on his face, then lay down and died....
>----- Original Message -----
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>Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 7:54 AM
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>
>
> > Hi Adele,
> >
> > Thunder while snow is falling is colloquially called 'thundersnow.'  It
> > does indeed happen, although the idea of a thunderstorm occuring in such
> > cold conditions often seems foreign!  We are all familiar with requiring
> > warm and humid air to produce thunderstorms.  But just how warm and
> > humid does it have to be?  This largely depends on the upper
> > atmosphere.  If the upper atmosphere is very warm - ie, lets say we're
> > in the tropics.  Then we'd need very high temperatures and dewpoints for
> > the atmosphere to become unstable enough.
> >
> > However, if we're in a colder place - like where you experienced
> > thundersnow (Norway), where the upper atmosphere is colder, then we
> > don't need as high temperatures and dewpoints.  And then if you get a
> > situation where the upper atmosphere is extremely cold, you get to the
> > stage where a temperature of zero degrees Celsius would be sufficient
> > instability for thunderstorms to occur!
> >
> > Air rises relative to its surroundings, so while 0C seems cold - if the
> > upper tempatures are even colder relative to an ascending air parcel,
> > then it can continue to rise and produce a thunderstorm!
> >
> > Thundersnow is something I want to experience eventually :)
> >
> > AC
> >
> > PS - Nice site!!!
> >
> > adele jaunn wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi again all!
> > >
> > > I'm following the conversations on the list with great interest, but
>feel
> > > that I'm too far away to contribute with anything. (hopefully that 
>will
> > > change soon...sigh!)
> > > Now, there is something that happened here on the west coast of Norway
> > > (Bergen, to be exact), which I thought maybe someone could explain, or
> > > comment on.
> > > It was in the evening in late February this year, or early March, and
>the
> > > snow was falling thick outside. The temperature must have been around 
>0.
>(I
> > > think from now on I'll take weather-notes :-) Suddenly there was a 
>HUGE
> > > crack of thunder right above, which made me jump 2m in my chair! I
>hadn't
> > > expected anything like it, and particularly not on a snowy day! There
>were
> > > several other thundercracks following, but I couldn't observe any
> > > lightening, perhaps because of the poor vision? Anyway, it was weird!
>Any
> > > comments?
> > >
> > > By the way, I have a web-site, if anyone is interested:
> > > http://home.online.no/~svehja/
> > > I must admit, it's not the grooviest design, and the content is...
>thinnish,
> > > but at least you can have a look at some of the photos I've taken. I
>will
> > > post more of them, but as you may have guessed, there are no huge 
>photo
> > > opportunities in a country like this! And I'm sorry the guestbook is 
>in
> > > Norwegian...that too will change one day. :-)
> > >
> > > regards,
> > > Adele Jaunn
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Hi every1,

Just to throw a thorny one into this thread...

"Riming" might have something to do with wind chill...not as such...but a 
colder wind passing over a liquid at speed would assist evaporative cooling 
wouldn't it? Hence cooling the liquid until possibly freezing....Any 
thoughts?

Kevin from rime-free Wycheproof.


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>
>Regards to the wind chill question. If it's right or not it feels bloody
>cold at present. Wind-chill dropped to 1 a few minutes ago and is hovering
>around 2-3 at the minute. Winds up around 20kmh from the WNW
>Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
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I thought riming was when supercooled water froze on contact with a
subzero surface. Like when a sub-zero fog deposits ice on exposed
objects (espcially chair lifts in ski resorts)

Mark Hardy
The Weather Company Pty. Ltd.
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Hi every1,

Just to throw a thorny one into this thread...

"Riming" might have something to do with wind chill...not as such...but
a 
colder wind passing over a liquid at speed would assist evaporative
cooling 
wouldn't it? Hence cooling the liquid until possibly freezing....Any 
thoughts?

Kevin from rime-free Wycheproof.


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>Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 19:12:23 +1000
>
>Regards to the wind chill question. If it's right or not it feels 
>bloody cold at present. Wind-chill dropped to 1 a few minutes ago and 
>is hovering around 2-3 at the minute. Winds up around 20kmh from the 
>WNW Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)
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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Hi all.
For all intents and purposes how do you define thundersnow,of coarse its all
a relative thing?!.On the highlands of New Guinea at elevations of 15.000+
thunderstorms with hail and snow are common ...in tropical airmasses!, but
the lapse rates are there, in cold airmasses steep lapse rates are still
needed and to produce enough static build up, you need particle motion and
charge build up potential (you need the particles to move around very
rapidly) and so on, in reality all thunderstorms could be regarded as
thunder snow/ice active the difference is of coarse relative..best regards
Clyve Herbert.
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> At 18:39 18/07/01 +1200, you wrote:
> >   I have seen a snowstorm with thunder and lightning  in South Otago,
> >Southern NZ. The lightning was dramatic because the visibility in the
snow
> >would  only be a few hundred metres so you don't see the lightning bolt,
> >rather a bright glow.  Spectacular. Usually the more active cb's in a
cold
> >outbreak  produce soft hail. Soft hail is merely a snow flake that is
> >rolled into a ball by the turbulence of the cb.  Soft hail is quite
common
> >in southern New Zealand. I'm sure soft hail would occur in the more
> >elevated  parts of Tas. and Vic. I now live in the milder climes of
> >Auckland and  miss the fabulous winter weather of the south. Steven
> >Williams NZweather
>
> The Big Snow of 1992 plus the cold winter here in ChCh in 1995 produced
> some snow thunder and lightning. I was driving a train between Rangiora
and
> Kaiapoi when it was snowing, well sleety snow, when all of a sudden a big
> huge flash and instant thunder which was so loud it was heard over the
> noise of the train.
> I see there were spectacular cloud towers around Auckland/northern North
> Island today resulting in isolated bursts of heavy rain as described by
> Augie Auer on the TV3 weather tonight. This current trough over NZ looks
as
> thought it had some interesting weather aound it's periphery.
>
> JohnGaul
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Subject: aus-wx: question from Germany
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 Hello, here is a German tornado and storm freak! I firstly only want to
know, if the chance is high in Australia or other parts in the world to see
a tornado. If it is so, please tell me in which parts of Australia, etc it
is so high?

Greetings from Germany, Helge                        htuschy at web.de

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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: WA cloud band.
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:51:09 +1000
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Hi all tropos.
Its interesting to see the appearance of a ,third baroclinic mid and upper
level cloud band in the northwest of WA,what is interesting is the
development of scattered and unseasonable thunderstorms along the cloud
development line over the sea northwest of WA along the entry level of the
mid cloud deck and trailing downwind cirrus streamers.best wishes Clyve H.

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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Soft Hail and other bits and pieces.
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:43:16 +1000
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Hi all cold weather lovers.
For those of us that are fascinated by the different types of frozen
'hydrometeors'!, it is at times surprising to see what can fall out of a
cold air CB and sometimes a warm air CB development.......but it might be
time to put different types of ice fallout into description.
Rain..precipitation in the form of liquid water with diameters of more than
0.5mm.

Freezing Rain..Rain that freezes on impact with the ground or with other
objects on the earth or with aircraft in flight!,.

Drizzle..Rather uniform precipitation composed exclusively of fine drops of
water less than 0.5mm.

Freezing drizzle..as for freezing rain.

Snow..precipitation of ice crystals, most of which are branched (even star
shaped.)

and now for the best part..

Snow Pellets..Precipitation of white and opaque grains of ice. The grains
are spherical or even conical, with diameters between 2-5mm,snow pellets
were formerly called soft hail.

Snow Grains..Very small white and opaque grains of ice,the grains are rather
flat or elongated with a diameter usually less than 1mm.

Ice pellets..falls of transparent or translucent pellets of ice, which are
spherical or irregular, rarely conical, which have a diameter of 5mm or
less, this type of precipitation can be divided up into two main types.
1.Frozen raindrops or largely melted and refrozen snow flakes.
2 Pellets. of ice encased in a thin layer of ice, or a mix of all of the
above.

Hail.. a fall of small balls of ice or ice pieces (hailstones) with
diameters of 5 to 50mm and sometimes more(records of up to 12cm), or
sometimes falling as either separately or agglomerated into irregular and
sometimes spectacular lumps.The shape of hailstones can take on some
interesting and at times what appear as impossible angles a lot of shaping
can be attributed to partial melting collisions and agglomerates the mind
sometimes boggles!.

Ice from a cloudless sky?..Ice prisms..these are unbranched ice crystals, in
the form of needles, columns or even plates, very tiny and appear to be
suspended in the air,can fall from clouds or can appear from a clear blue
sky..

                                            best wishes Clyve Herbert.

                                            source.International cloud atlas
WMO.
PS, Soft hail and snow pellets have also fallen in the Geelong area.

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Cool Clyve

Very interesting
Ballarat Wx, cool to cold, a brief drizzly shower, Fracto Cu/Strata
S to SW wind, 1.8mm overnight

Cheers

LEs Baxter
Ballarat Weather


>From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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>Subject: aus-wx: Soft Hail and other bits and pieces.
>Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 10:43:16 +1000
>
>Hi all cold weather lovers.
>For those of us that are fascinated by the different types of frozen
>'hydrometeors'!, it is at times surprising to see what can fall out of a
>cold air CB and sometimes a warm air CB development.......but it might be
>time to put different types of ice fallout into description.
>Rain..precipitation in the form of liquid water with diameters of more than
>0.5mm.
>
>Freezing Rain..Rain that freezes on impact with the ground or with other
>objects on the earth or with aircraft in flight!,.
>
>Drizzle..Rather uniform precipitation composed exclusively of fine drops of
>water less than 0.5mm.
>
>Freezing drizzle..as for freezing rain.
>
>Snow..precipitation of ice crystals, most of which are branched (even star
>shaped.)
>
>and now for the best part..
>
>Snow Pellets..Precipitation of white and opaque grains of ice. The grains
>are spherical or even conical, with diameters between 2-5mm,snow pellets
>were formerly called soft hail.
>
>Snow Grains..Very small white and opaque grains of ice,the grains are 
>rather
>flat or elongated with a diameter usually less than 1mm.
>
>Ice pellets..falls of transparent or translucent pellets of ice, which are
>spherical or irregular, rarely conical, which have a diameter of 5mm or
>less, this type of precipitation can be divided up into two main types.
>1.Frozen raindrops or largely melted and refrozen snow flakes.
>2 Pellets. of ice encased in a thin layer of ice, or a mix of all of the
>above.
>
>Hail.. a fall of small balls of ice or ice pieces (hailstones) with
>diameters of 5 to 50mm and sometimes more(records of up to 12cm), or
>sometimes falling as either separately or agglomerated into irregular and
>sometimes spectacular lumps.The shape of hailstones can take on some
>interesting and at times what appear as impossible angles a lot of shaping
>can be attributed to partial melting collisions and agglomerates the mind
>sometimes boggles!.
>
>Ice from a cloudless sky?..Ice prisms..these are unbranched ice crystals, 
>in
>the form of needles, columns or even plates, very tiny and appear to be
>suspended in the air,can fall from clouds or can appear from a clear blue
>sky..
>
>                                             best wishes Clyve Herbert.
>
>                                             source.International cloud 
>atlas
>WMO.
>PS, Soft hail and snow pellets have also fallen in the Geelong area.
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2001, Blair Trewin wrote:

> Given that the Bight high is going nowhere fast (GASP day 8 still
> has it well entrenched over southern Australia with no change in
> sight)

That's not quite what I wanted to hear :-(


Cheers

--

Robert A. Goler        

Department of Mathematics and Statistics
Monash University
Clayton, Vic 3800
Australia

ph. +61 3 9905 4424
email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au
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Subject: aus-wx: The ASWA 2001 AGM 
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<DIV>Just a reminder that the ASWA Annual General Meeting is less than four 
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Thunder and snow
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Bussie,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hokitika is a Town on the west coast of the South 
Island that is known(to NZers) for its high rainfall.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Because of its western exposure and proximity to 
the ranges, when it rains it really rains.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 18, 2001 9:27 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Thunder and 
  snow</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'll ask. What is Hokitika? Is it anything like 
  "holy S#$%".</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Seriously though. What is Hokitika? A saying, 
  location? Sorry for being an ignoramus.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)</DIV>
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    Williams</A> </DIV>
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    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, July 18, 2001 7:14 
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: Thunder and snow</DIV>
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    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi John,</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This low that has engulfed our Islands seems to 
    be hitting the North island a lot harder than the South.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There has been big dumps of snow on the 
    Ruapahue ski fields but none in Queenstown. As you said,</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>the weather has been very unstable over 
    Auckland with some active cb's about over the last few days.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Very typical of this weather pattern. Auckland 
    is a west coast location and can get hit as hard as</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hokitika sometimes. </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As the winds turn south there maybe some good 
    snow inland south Island. The valleys are frozen</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>solid and this will help to lower the freezing 
    level.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheers</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Steven Williams</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=Arial 
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Hi all,

When I looked at the 4am MSLA for Australia this morning, I had to laugh
(if I didn't laugh, I'd cry).  One high, five lows.  The one and only
high centered over Australia (well, just south of the centre), and where
were the five lows?  All encompassing New Zealand!

http://www.bsch.au.com/anthony/NZDirtyWork.gif

Is this the dirty work of the NZ Anticyclone Haters???
-- 
Anthony Cornelius
Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the 
Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA)
(07) 3390 4812
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From: "Ben Tichborne" <tich at netaccess.co.nz>
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> Hi John,
> This low that has engulfed our Islands seems to be hitting the North =
> island a lot harder than the South.
> There has been big dumps of snow on the Ruapahue ski fields but none in =
> Queenstown. As you said,
> the weather has been very unstable over Auckland with some active cb's =
> about over the last few days.
> Very typical of this weather pattern. Auckland is a west coast location =
> and can get hit as hard as
> Hokitika sometimes.=20
> As the winds turn south there maybe some good snow inland south Island. =
> The valleys are frozen
> solid and this will help to lower the freezing level.=20
> Cheers
> Steven Williams
> NZweather

 This current low pressure system  might even (looking at some models) do a
repeat of the system over SE Australia recently, with more snow and wintry
weather in the north (Desert Road/ Ruapehu) than in the south. Except of
course in those southern valleys/ basins, where any moist airmass could
bring snow. For example early last week, following the intense frosty high,
a southerly front (and a relatively weak one at that) left a blanket of snow
around Hanmer, while my parents who live on the coastal Banks Peninsula
couldn't see any snow on the hills - these hills reach as high as 800
metres.
 Could be a more typical wintry southerly over NZ next week. And perhaps
another spell of hard frosts after that.

Ben
Christchurch
NZ

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From: "Andrew Godsman" <g-man1 at bigpond.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: Back to winter
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi list,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have just returned from a 10 day cruise into New 
Caledonia, the Royalty Islands and Vanuatu. It certainly was nice to have a 
snorkel and dive without a wetsuit for a change, but it was quite cool and windy 
for the duration of the trip for this time of year according to the locals. It 
is fairly apparent that while I was gone we got some good rain around the 
Wollongong and South Coast areas as a dry creek that runs along the boundary of 
my in-laws property on the side of Coolangatta Mt (near Nowra) is running which 
doesn't usually occur without some solid days of rain.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The main reason for emailing though is that during 
the cruise I witnessed my first funnel cloud. It was actually on Tue 17th around 
4pm. At the time we were a fair way off-shore, around 80nm SW of the seamounts 
off the coast from Coffs Harbour. (A big guess and saying 100km off-shore). I 
was relaxing on the deck and happened to be looking at the low clouds when I 
spotted a spiked lowering. The cloud it was hanging from was no more than 1500m 
in vertical height and not grunty at all. Thinking the couple of drinks was 
making me see what I had been hoping to see all trip, I watched for a while 
longer. Anyway, after about 5 minutes I noticed it extending downwards, which 
ruled out it being scud. It had uniform thickness and was gradually lowering to 
around one-quarter the distance from cloud to sea. At this stage I made a mad 
sprint for my cabin, down three levels and mid-ships, grabbed my camera and zoom 
lens and then raced back up. Of course when I got back up it had almost fully 
retracted into the cloud!!! It snapped a shot of the remains, but then as I sat 
back down I noticed lowering again. This time though it was definately a thin 
wedge shape. Three more times after this the funnel retracted and then grew 
again. This was all while the parent cloud shrank, and by the time the funnel 
was too far to spot behind us, the cloud was barely fragments of itself. The 
process by which it grew was:</FONT></DIV>
<UL>
  <LI><FONT face=Arial size=2>the cloud developed a small lowering after which a 
  narrow funnel descended from it,</FONT></LI>
  <LI><FONT face=Arial size=2>the funnel would then continue from a wedge shape 
  then slowly extend to be a long slim funnel,</FONT></LI>
  <LI><FONT face=Arial size=2>it would then run out of steam and retract to the 
  cloud base.</FONT></LI></UL>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I must state though at this stage, that at no time 
did the funnel stir any activity on the sea surface that was observable. The 
vapour funnel did not extend any further than a quater of the way from the cloud 
base to surface. The best photo that I have seen on anyones web page that fits 
what I saw was on Micheal T's page of the Lake Illawarra funnel. But the most 
puzzling thing for me was that the cloud which produced this funnel was so 
small, there were much gruntier cumulous clouds around, but the others 
(including this one) were closer to small pieces of low level strato-cu. As I 
said earlier it surely didn't have any more than around 1500m of vertical 
hieght. Also, the change in the funel appearance from a classical water spout 
look, to a definate spiked appearance which lasted all up for around 15 minutes. 
This all also occurred on a good cold SW wind, which gave us a gloriously 
chilling welcome to Syndey Harbour at 6am on Wednesday morning. If anyone wants 
to see scans of the photos please let me know and I'll email the pics of the 
funnel in the three photos I took.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'll also take the time to deny all responsibility 
for the boring weather that has once again descended on the SE area after all 
the excitement of rainfall and snow while I was gone. Will someone down Adelaide 
charter a boat and stick a pin in that high down there.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Andrew Godsman</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>PS I'm not a sales rep, but the Pacific Sky trip 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There has been more heavy snow to 1000m over the 
central North Island today. The whakapapa ski area has</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>received 90cm of fresh snow in the last few days. 
And right now, snow is developing to low levels over inland</FONT></DIV>
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that sentence should have read.......


If you're in Melbourne, please join us at the Pancake Parlour, 500
Doncaster Road, Doncaster from about 7.30pm tomorrow night for dinner &
chase video...and Jimmy!!

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Jimmy Deguara (ASWA President for those who haven't met him yet) is
currently in Melbourne on a visit for purposes other than a storm chase,
but brought his tape of US chase highlights with him when we told him
that we'd throw a dinner in his honour!! (well, we had to get hold of
the tape somehow didn't we!!)

He rang me this evening to let me know that he will be interviewed LIVE
on the Today show on Channel 9 on Saturday morning between 8 & 9am
against a backdrop of some of his US footage!!!!!!

Thought you might like to know so you could get up early or set the
video!!!!

If you're in Melbourne, please join us at the Pancake Parlour, 500
Doncaster Road, Doncaster from about 7.30pm for dinner & chase
video...and Jimmy!!

Jane

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Thank you for the updated terminology Clyve. I am glad soft hail has been
re-named snow pellets.
I am not surprised snow pellets have been recorded in the Geelong area.
Also, I would say Hobart must
have a few days of snow pellets a year. Is there anyone on this list
residing in Hobart.
Steven Williams
NZweather
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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Soft Hail and other bits and pieces.


> Hi all cold weather lovers.
> For those of us that are fascinated by the different types of frozen
> 'hydrometeors'!, it is at times surprising to see what can fall out of a
> cold air CB and sometimes a warm air CB development.......but it might be
> time to put different types of ice fallout into description.
> Rain..precipitation in the form of liquid water with diameters of more
than
> 0.5mm.
>
> Freezing Rain..Rain that freezes on impact with the ground or with other
> objects on the earth or with aircraft in flight!,.
>
> Drizzle..Rather uniform precipitation composed exclusively of fine drops
of
> water less than 0.5mm.
>
> Freezing drizzle..as for freezing rain.
>
> Snow..precipitation of ice crystals, most of which are branched (even star
> shaped.)
>
> and now for the best part..
>
> Snow Pellets..Precipitation of white and opaque grains of ice. The grains
> are spherical or even conical, with diameters between 2-5mm,snow pellets
> were formerly called soft hail.
>
> Snow Grains..Very small white and opaque grains of ice,the grains are
rather
> flat or elongated with a diameter usually less than 1mm.
>
> Ice pellets..falls of transparent or translucent pellets of ice, which are
> spherical or irregular, rarely conical, which have a diameter of 5mm or
> less, this type of precipitation can be divided up into two main types.
> 1.Frozen raindrops or largely melted and refrozen snow flakes.
> 2 Pellets. of ice encased in a thin layer of ice, or a mix of all of the
> above.
>
> Hail.. a fall of small balls of ice or ice pieces (hailstones) with
> diameters of 5 to 50mm and sometimes more(records of up to 12cm), or
> sometimes falling as either separately or agglomerated into irregular and
> sometimes spectacular lumps.The shape of hailstones can take on some
> interesting and at times what appear as impossible angles a lot of shaping
> can be attributed to partial melting collisions and agglomerates the mind
> sometimes boggles!.
>
> Ice from a cloudless sky?..Ice prisms..these are unbranched ice crystals,
in
> the form of needles, columns or even plates, very tiny and appear to be
> suspended in the air,can fall from clouds or can appear from a clear blue
> sky..
>
>                                             best wishes Clyve Herbert.
>
>                                             source.International cloud
atlas
> WMO.
> PS, Soft hail and snow pellets have also fallen in the Geelong area.
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Hello Steven
<p>We have soft hail, here in Strahan, when there is a cold outbreak and
we are at sea level. Maybe ours is formed by a different mechanism than
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Just spotted the ultimate in persistence forecasts, in the Canberra
7-day temperature forecast (an experimental product that isn't made
publicly available at this stage) - they're going for a max of 12 on
all seven days! (at least the minima fluctuate between -1 and -2!).

Given that the Bight high is going nowhere fast (GASP day 8 still
has it well entrenched over southern Australia with no change in
sight) it seems reasonable enough to me, although in practice
the presence/absence of fog will cause fluctuations on individual
days.

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At 19:27 18/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
>   I'll ask. What is Hokitika? Is it anything like  "holy S#$%". Seriously
>though. What is Hokitika? A saying,  location? Sorry for being an
>ignoramus. Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)    ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From:    Steven    Williams    To: aussie-weather at world.std.com      
>Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2001 7:14    PM   Subject: aus-wx: Thunder and
>snow   

>Auckland is    a west coast location and can get hit as hard as   Hokitika
>sometimes.    

Hokitika is a town on the West Coast of the South Island


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Sorry,
If it sent, please ignore my last email with no subject. It was the wrong 
address, although it was interesting to note the sudden increase and decline 
in storms during my overseas trip!! Also, thanks for the answer to my 
windchill question!

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>Hi all,
>
>When I looked at the 4am MSLA for Australia this morning, I had to laugh
>(if I didn't laugh, I'd cry).  One high, five lows.  The one and only
>high centered over Australia (well, just south of the centre), and where
>were the five lows?  All encompassing New Zealand!
>
>http://www.bsch.au.com/anthony/NZDirtyWork.gif
>
>Is this the dirty work of the NZ Anticyclone Haters???
>-- 
>Anthony Cornelius
>Vice President & Queensland Coordinator of the 
>Australian Severe Weather Association (ASWA)
>(07) 3390 4812
>http://www.severeweather.asn.au

YES
It's about time we got back at you guys over "The Ditch"
... actually to tell you the truth it has been rather boring here in NZ
with this trough. 
The occasional heavy shower around the top half of the North Island area,
sperting nothing but isolated heavy showers. No tornadoes - yet, ... but I
wouldn't be surprised if one would pop up somewhere.
Winter is still trapped in those valleys in Central Otago whilst boring
grey low stratus days over many South Island eastern areas. Fine and sunny
on the West Coast of the South Island. Hokitika sunny and 16 yesterday.
This trough over us is apparently the biggest low pressure system on the
planet and a low pressure cell within it is moving unusually west and is
expected to be to the south of the South Island at midnight. Looks as
though the bottom SE part of the SI is in for some moist SE/East conditions
followed by some more cold weather but probably not as cold as what Clyve
Herbert predicted! Possibly Tuesday now ??? with more frosty anticyclonic
conditions to follow.
It's been a grand winter so far as far as coldness goes and I'm looking
forward to spring as it does look very promising for thunderstorms here, I
think!
  

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From: David Jones <D.Jones at bom.gov.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Boring weather....
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Its been a long time since the last post... reflecting the fact that its
been a long time between weather events, but a few "interesting" things have
caught the eye for eastern Australia.
After all models promising a monster high marching in quick pace this week
and sitting over eastern Australia for the rest of July, there is now the
hope of something more interesting happening. Interestingly, a small pool of
cold air has cut-off near Adelaide, while a small rather shallow cyclonic
vortice appears to be moving around the eastern flank of the "bight" high
towards SE South Australia.
The models all now suggest the thermal trough/cold pool over South Australia
is going to amplify through the weekend, and an upper low develop over South
Australia. Consistent with this scenario, GASP develops a significant band
of mid level cloud, first over eastern Victoria by Sunday, and then across
most of Victoria, SE SA and southern New South Wales by about Tuesday. Both
GASP and the US Navy models suggest significant rain is likely over eastern
Victoria and NSW... and, obviously depending on exact developments possibly
further west.
Of course, this is all in model land.... BUT.... my experience from watching
the weather in SE Aus is that many major rain situations develop as a
consequence of amplifying thermal troughs under or near the centre of
seemingly dominant highs. Anyway one to watch...

BTW while the weather has been extremely boring for most in Vic, one thing
that hasn't come out of the obs network is how effective topography has been
in Victoria in producing significant rainfall in the Melbourne metro area
from the past 3 days of drizzle and low cloud. A friend of mind in the
Dandenongs (500m) has recorded more than 30mm in this time, whereas the most
metro sites have struggled to get more than 2mm. The cloud base through this
event has frequently say near the 200-400m level, with the 300-100m forced
accent over the topography has been effective at wringing out substantial
quantities of drizzly rain.

Cheers, and happy WX watching,

David.

PS 

Regarding thundersnow, my brother encountered such a storm at Buller in the
late 80s, around mid day, which caused the lifts to be closed down for
nearly an hour. I saw a few photos of the storm, which showed extremely
heavy snow falling... unfortunately I had exams at the time, so I spent the
day studying at home....



                                                              
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Good morning all.

Currently im monitoring the aircraft channels in Bathurst, airport is
closed as fog is very thick, Griffith, Narrendara also heavy fog and
airports closed.
Aircraft heading to Bathurst being diverted to Orange, and others to
Canberra. Hope no one would be flying around the Central West today.

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Would be great if that scenario did develop David because nothing from the 
west will make the weather interesting here in SA or Vic with the huge high 
planted over southern Australia for the whole of next week.  Interesting to 
note many SA district forecasts are going for isolated showers to develop in 
the afternoons from Monday onwards which is a bit unusual, there is 
obviously some uncertantity around at the moment.  Lot of discussion about 
cold cored highs and the ease to which upper level situations develop with 
them on the weatherzone list at the moment which is quite relevant.  As to 
your PS a similar event happened here at Mount Lofty which is only in the 
700m height range I know but they had three times the amount of rain 
compared to Adelaide from the moist onshore airstream earlier this week and 
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After one of the most dullest winters I've ever seen in Perth before, we
finally have some action on the radar, with pink and green on it, the live
costal cams look pretty good too.

I just hope it doesnt fade out before it reaches the coast.

Jacob
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At 08:48 20/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Its been a long time since the last post... reflecting the fact that its
>been a long time between weather events, but a few "interesting" things have
>caught the eye for eastern Australia.
>After all models promising a monster high marching in quick pace this week
>and sitting over eastern Australia for the rest of July, there is now the
>hope of something more interesting happening. Interestingly, a small pool of
>cold air has cut-off near Adelaide, while a small rather shallow cyclonic
>vortice appears to be moving around the eastern flank of the "bight" high
>towards SE South Australia.
>The models all now suggest the thermal trough/cold pool over South Australia
>is going to amplify through the weekend, and an upper low develop over South
>Australia. Consistent with this scenario, GASP develops a significant band
>of mid level cloud, first over eastern Victoria by Sunday, and then across
>most of Victoria, SE SA and southern New South Wales by about Tuesday. Both
>GASP and the US Navy models suggest significant rain is likely over eastern
>Victoria and NSW... and, obviously depending on exact developments possibly
>further west.
>Of course, this is all in model land.... BUT.... my experience from watching
>the weather in SE Aus is that many major rain situations develop as a
>consequence of amplifying thermal troughs under or near the centre of
>seemingly dominant highs. Anyway one to watch...
>
>BTW while the weather has been extremely boring for most in Vic, one thing
>that hasn't come out of the obs network is how effective topography has been
>in Victoria in producing significant rainfall in the Melbourne metro area
>from the past 3 days of drizzle and low cloud. A friend of mind in the
>Dandenongs (500m) has recorded more than 30mm in this time, whereas the most
>metro sites have struggled to get more than 2mm. The cloud base through this
>event has frequently say near the 200-400m level, with the 300-100m forced
>accent over the topography has been effective at wringing out substantial
>quantities of drizzly rain.
>
>Cheers, and happy WX watching,
>
>David.
>
>PS 
>
>Regarding thundersnow, my brother encountered such a storm at Buller in the
>late 80s, around mid day, which caused the lifts to be closed down for
>nearly an hour. I saw a few photos of the storm, which showed extremely
>heavy snow falling... unfortunately I had exams at the time, so I spent the
>day studying at home....
                              

Yes, that maybe interesting but the weather was genarally boring over NZ
with this significant trough. 
what's the opposite of Anticyclonic Gloom, maybe "Troughycyclonic Bore" ???
It must be Global Warming, the culprit. 
This system is moving off to the east.
Bring on the next cold anticyclone !!!


JohnGaul
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It may be boring weather but boy you couldn't of had a clearer day than
yesterday with the snow on the mountains clearly visible from here. Not that
there's much there apparently. Shaping up the same today with a heavy frost
this morning and a low of just a frag under zero.
Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)

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>  This current low pressure system  might even (looking at some models) do
a
> repeat of the system over SE Australia recently, with more snow and wintry
> weather in the north (Desert Road/ Ruapehu) than in the south. Except of
> course in those southern valleys/ basins, where any moist airmass could
> bring snow. For example early last week, following the intense frosty
high,
> a southerly front (and a relatively weak one at that) left a blanket of
snow
> around Hanmer, while my parents who live on the coastal Banks Peninsula
> couldn't see any snow on the hills - these hills reach as high as 800
> metres.
>  Could be a more typical wintry southerly over NZ next week. And perhaps
> another spell of hard frosts after that.

 Would you believe it - at 6 PM yesterday, the temperature obs showed Gore
(in the far south and inland) at 6.8 C, while Auckland was 6.6 C at the same
time! TV weather said the city's maximum was only 10 C. I'd guess snow could
be falling above about 900 - 1000 metres there, but no hills near Auckland
reach anywhere near that altitude. BTW the massive size of the low pressure
system looks as if it's pushing cold air into quite low latitudes (eg
Norfolk Island) even though the air probably didn't originate from the
Antarctic, but from the fifties. (looking at the recent models)

Ben
Christchurch (no rain at present - must be the southeast flow 'rainsahdow'
from Banks Peninsula)
NZ

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Hey,

Just finished watching the interview on the today show and i must say thats 
some mighty fine footage. I think the inverview went rather well.

Congrats Jimmy

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Hi Michael,

A great shot. It was on this evening that we sailed out of Sydney for the
cruise and we had thunder and some good squally rain during the late
evening. It was great sitting up in the front lounge and watching the
squalls being lit up by the lightning between the occasions of moonlight on
the ocean.

Cheers
Andrew Godsman
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Subject: aus-wx: Cold air Cb's offshore Wollongong


> There were several coldies offshore Wollongong this afternoon.
>
> I have taken a test panorama with the new digital. It's not that
impressive
> a photo, but the panorama works a treat.
>
> Also there is a shot of a nice coldie offshore
>
> http://ozthunder.com/temp/temp.htm
>
>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Boring weather....
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I hereby relinquish my crown as chief weather whinger to John Gaul.

Despite the fact that we have had no significant weather in the Illawarra
since the 28th February I have to concede that Christchurch has taken the
crown. Even when the weather appears great on the synoptic,  it has remained
boring in the face of this..

Michael



> Yes, that maybe interesting but the weather was genarally boring over NZ
> with this significant trough.
> what's the opposite of Anticyclonic Gloom, maybe "Troughycyclonic Bore"
???
> It must be Global Warming, the culprit.
> This system is moving off to the east.
> Bring on the next cold anticyclone !!!
>
>
> JohnGaul
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Actually using my rough rule of thumb I would say snow would be down to
600m. I get snow at Robertson here at 700m, if it is 10C or lower and
raining on the coast.

Michael

>
>  Would you believe it - at 6 PM yesterday, the temperature obs showed Gore
> (in the far south and inland) at 6.8 C, while Auckland was 6.6 C at the
same
> time! TV weather said the city's maximum was only 10 C. I'd guess snow
could
> be falling above about 900 - 1000 metres there, but no hills near Auckland
> reach anywhere near that altitude. BTW the massive size of the low
pressure
> system looks as if it's pushing cold air into quite low latitudes (eg
> Norfolk Island) even though the air probably didn't originate from the
> Antarctic, but from the fifties. (looking at the recent models)
>
> Ben
> Christchurch (no rain at present - must be the southeast flow 'rainsahdow'
> from Banks Peninsula)
> NZ
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Great to see that happened. Nothing worse than sailing out into NE wind and
a anticyclone.

Michael


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> Hi Michael,
>
> A great shot. It was on this evening that we sailed out of Sydney for the
> cruise and we had thunder and some good squally rain during the late
> evening. It was great sitting up in the front lounge and watching the
> squalls being lit up by the lightning between the occasions of moonlight
on
> the ocean.
>
> Cheers
> Andrew Godsman
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:19 PM
> Subject: aus-wx: Cold air Cb's offshore Wollongong
>
>
> > There were several coldies offshore Wollongong this afternoon.
> >
> > I have taken a test panorama with the new digital. It's not that
> impressive
> > a photo, but the panorama works a treat.
> >
> > Also there is a shot of a nice coldie offshore
> >
> > http://ozthunder.com/temp/temp.htm
> >
> >
> > Michael Thompson
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Hi Michael.
What about the 70m/m you had a couple of weeks ago?!, at the moment I become
somewhat excited at the prospect (after 5 days of stratocu) of drizzle!,
infact we had 5.2m/m day before yesterday-- all drizzle, but Im sorry NZ is
off shore, so I will reappoint you to official position of chief weather
whinger Australian division!!!!..best regards Clyve H.
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> I hereby relinquish my crown as chief weather whinger to John Gaul.
>
> Despite the fact that we have had no significant weather in the Illawarra
> since the 28th February I have to concede that Christchurch has taken the
> crown. Even when the weather appears great on the synoptic,  it has
remained
> boring in the face of this..
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> > Yes, that maybe interesting but the weather was genarally boring over NZ
> > with this significant trough.
> > what's the opposite of Anticyclonic Gloom, maybe "Troughycyclonic Bore"
> ???
> > It must be Global Warming, the culprit.
> > This system is moving off to the east.
> > Bring on the next cold anticyclone !!!
> >
> >
> > JohnGaul
> > NZ Thunderstorm Soc
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The deep low that has battered our Isles over the 
last week is now moving away. It dumped a whopping 1.3m</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>snow on the Whakapapa ski area over the last few 
days. That gives the ski field 1.85m base and sets up</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>a great ski season for the North Islanders. Heavy 
snow fell to about 1000m. As for the South island, snow</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>falls have been much lighter, however Mt Hutt ski 
field reports 45cm new snow over night. On Thursday</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>there was falls to 300m in Otago but the snow line 
has lifted to about 800m.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Auckland experienced a very unstable week with 
frequent showers, hail and Isolated TS.&nbsp;Very cold too.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>John, the geography of Christchurch shelters the 
city from a lot of weather. Also, given the fact that</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Christchurch is at sea level and north of lat 
45deg, it would take a humdinger of a polar outbreak to</FONT></DIV>
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From: Jimmy Deguara <jimmydeguara at rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: today show interview
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Hi Michael and all,

I tried my best to get ASWA a mention: the best I
could do is get the ASW our site URL mentioned which
will hopefully lead to ASWA.

The questions asked was not ideal and it was totally
to dramaticise the whole idea of chasing - not the way
we were supposed to discuss it but they do what they
want. Oh well, I am glad they did show the correct
footage as I was not able to get into the Melbourne
Channel Nine studios!!! I like the part where they
said two large tornadoes!!! yerright

Anyway, I will be back in Sydney tomorrow evening. I
am off to the footy today though watching the
Collingwood Game with my cousins Mad Collingwood
supporters...

Jimmy Deguara

--- Michael Olsen <phycho_little_duck at hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Hey,
> 
> Just finished watching the interview on the today
> show and i must say thats 
> some mighty fine footage. I think the inverview went
> rather well.
> 
> Congrats Jimmy
> 
> Michael Olsen
> 
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Hi Jane and Vitorian crew,

I must say it was an excellent opportunity that was
made open. I really appreciated my welcome and the
presentation of the "first chase cartoon". Goo the
moos I say. Those who have seen it will know what I am
talking about.

I must say it is great to see the Victorian group so
close and friendly as is the aims in ASWA. Clyve's
story is appreciated but the whole aim is to see
people with a similar interest in this fairly diverse
area of severe weather get together and just talk
about it - let it all out.

Once again thanks to the Vics. Oh by the way, we won't
repeat the words that was said at the meeting whilst
watching the footage!!!!

>From an excited Jimmy Deguara

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> 
> 
> If you're in Melbourne, please join us at the
> Pancake Parlour, 500
> Doncaster Road, Doncaster from about 7.30pm tomorrow
> night for dinner &
> chase video...and Jimmy!!
> 
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Hello  Uwe Tuschy.
It would be rather difficult to pin point a particular location around the
world for a high frequency of tornadoes,even in the central parts of the USA
i.e. Oklahoma which is regarded as the central core of 'Tornado alley'the
actual number of tornadoes in relation to the number of storms is not high.
Here in Australia members of the Australian Severe Weather Association
undertake an annual storm chase each November and December,the main areas we
go to are central and northern New South Wales and southeast and central
Queensland, these areas are regarded as the regions 'most likely' to produce
severe storms and possible tornadoes at this time of the year. As for the
rest of Australia parts of Victoria in the far south occasionally produce
severe storms as do South Australia and Western Australia. There are the
usual hot spots for high frequency of storms and they are the locations
known as the Border Range in south-eastern Queensland, which receive on
average about 70 days with thunder each year, but most of these are not
severe. Other locations are the top end of the Northern Territory around the
Darwin area which receive between 70 and 80 days a year with thunder nearly
all in the period October to April. (northern wet season). Also parts of the
southern coast line of Australia bordering the great Southern Ocean can
experience winter storms associated with cold fronts and the following cold
airmasses originating from near to the Antarctic. Best wishes Clyve
Herbert,Leopold Australia.
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>
>
>  Hello, here is a German tornado and storm freak! I firstly only want to
> know, if the chance is high in Australia or other parts in the world to
see
> a tornado. If it is so, please tell me in which parts of Australia, etc it
> is so high?
>
> Greetings from Germany, Helge                        htuschy at web.de
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thankyou for your interesting funnel cloud 
report,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I believe funnel clouds are far more common at sea 
than over land. Perhaps because there is less turbulence over</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>the sea. My NZ experience is that funnel clouds are 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I had not seen funnel clouds before until I started 
living in the maritime climes of Auckland.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And as your observation shows, you do not need a 
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about 7,000ft.&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
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</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi list,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have just returned from a 10 day cruise into 
  New Caledonia, the Royalty Islands and Vanuatu. It certainly was nice to have 
  a snorkel and dive without a wetsuit for a change, but it was quite cool and 
  windy for the duration of the trip for this time of year according to the 
  locals. It is fairly apparent that while I was gone we got some good rain 
  around the Wollongong and South Coast areas as a dry creek that runs along the 
  boundary of my in-laws property on the side of Coolangatta Mt (near Nowra) is 
  running which doesn't usually occur without some solid days of 
  rain.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The main reason for emailing though is that 
  during the cruise I witnessed my first funnel cloud. It was actually on Tue 
  17th around 4pm. At the time we were a fair way off-shore, around 80nm SW of 
  the seamounts off the coast from Coffs Harbour. (A big guess and saying 100km 
  off-shore). I was relaxing on the deck and happened to be looking at the low 
  clouds when I spotted a spiked lowering. The cloud it was hanging from was no 
  more than 1500m in vertical height and not grunty at all. Thinking the couple 
  of drinks was making me see what I had been hoping to see all trip, I watched 
  for a while longer. Anyway, after about 5 minutes I noticed it extending 
  downwards, which ruled out it being scud. It had uniform thickness and was 
  gradually lowering to around one-quarter the distance from cloud to sea. At 
  this stage I made a mad sprint for my cabin, down three levels and mid-ships, 
  grabbed my camera and zoom lens and then raced back up. Of course when I got 
  back up it had almost fully retracted into the cloud!!! It snapped a shot of 
  the remains, but then as I sat back down I noticed lowering again. This time 
  though it was definately a thin wedge shape. Three more times after this the 
  funnel retracted and then grew again. This was all while the parent cloud 
  shrank, and by the time the funnel was too far to spot behind us, the cloud 
  was barely fragments of itself. The process by which it grew was:</FONT></DIV>
  <UL>
    <LI><FONT face=Arial size=2>the cloud developed a small lowering after which 
    a narrow funnel descended from it,</FONT> 
    <LI><FONT face=Arial size=2>the funnel would then continue from a wedge 
    shape then slowly extend to be a long slim funnel,</FONT> 
    <LI><FONT face=Arial size=2>it would then run out of steam and retract to 
    the cloud base.</FONT></LI></UL>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I must state though at this stage, that at no 
  time did the funnel stir any activity on the sea surface that was observable. 
  The vapour funnel did not extend any further than a quater of the way from the 
  cloud base to surface. The best photo that I have seen on anyones web page 
  that fits what I saw was on Micheal T's page of the Lake Illawarra funnel. But 
  the most puzzling thing for me was that the cloud which produced this funnel 
  was so small, there were much gruntier cumulous clouds around, but the others 
  (including this one) were closer to small pieces of low level strato-cu. As I 
  said earlier it surely didn't have any more than around 1500m of vertical 
  hieght. Also, the change in the funel appearance from a classical water spout 
  look, to a definate spiked appearance which lasted all up for around 15 
  minutes. This all also occurred on a good cold SW wind, which gave us a 
  gloriously chilling welcome to Syndey Harbour at 6am on Wednesday morning. If 
  anyone wants to see scans of the photos please let me know and I'll email the 
  pics of the funnel in the three photos I took.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I'll also take the time to deny all 
  responsibility for the boring weather that has once again descended on the SE 
  area after all the excitement of rainfall and snow while I was gone. Will 
  someone down Adelaide charter a boat and stick a pin in that high down 
  there.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cheers</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Andrew Godsman</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>PS I'm not a sales rep, but the Pacific Sky trip 
  was absolutely terrific, and a lovely boat as 
well.</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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From: "Paul Mossman" <ntstorms at bigpond.com>
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Don't know where you have been hiding them MT - while in the Illawarra I saw
7 waterspouts, lightning, thunder, 2 whales, over 100mm of rain, localised
flooding............. Thought it was reasonably interesting!

Paul.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 10:15 AM
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I hereby relinquish my crown as chief weather whinger to John Gaul.

Despite the fact that we have had no significant weather in the Illawarra
since the 28th February I have to concede that Christchurch has taken the
crown. Even when the weather appears great on the synoptic,  it has remained
boring in the face of this..

Michael



> Yes, that maybe interesting but the weather was genarally boring over NZ
> with this significant trough.
> what's the opposite of Anticyclonic Gloom, maybe "Troughycyclonic Bore"
???
> It must be Global Warming, the culprit.
> This system is moving off to the east.
> Bring on the next cold anticyclone !!!
>
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From: "Andrew" <macca_wx at iprimus.com.au>
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Talking of these 7 waterspouts.....have you got photos for us yet?

Regards,

Macca

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> Don't know where you have been hiding them MT - while in the Illawarra I
saw
> 7 waterspouts, lightning, thunder, 2 whales, over 100mm of rain, localised
> flooding............. Thought it was reasonably interesting!
>
> Paul.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael
Thompson
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 10:15 AM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Boring weather....
>
> I hereby relinquish my crown as chief weather whinger to John Gaul.
>
> Despite the fact that we have had no significant weather in the Illawarra
> since the 28th February I have to concede that Christchurch has taken the
> crown. Even when the weather appears great on the synoptic,  it has
remained
> boring in the face of this..
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> > Yes, that maybe interesting but the weather was genarally boring over NZ
> > with this significant trough.
> > what's the opposite of Anticyclonic Gloom, maybe "Troughycyclonic Bore"
> ???
> > It must be Global Warming, the culprit.
> > This system is moving off to the east.
> > Bring on the next cold anticyclone !!!
> >
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anything else to add to that impressive list Paul.
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> Don't know where you have been hiding them MT - while in the Illawarra I
saw
> 7 waterspouts, lightning, thunder, 2 whales, over 100mm of rain, localised
> flooding............. Thought it was reasonably interesting!
>
> Paul.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael
Thompson
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 10:15 AM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Boring weather....
>
> I hereby relinquish my crown as chief weather whinger to John Gaul.
>
> Despite the fact that we have had no significant weather in the Illawarra
> since the 28th February I have to concede that Christchurch has taken the
> crown. Even when the weather appears great on the synoptic,  it has
remained
> boring in the face of this..
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> > Yes, that maybe interesting but the weather was genarally boring over NZ
> > with this significant trough.
> > what's the opposite of Anticyclonic Gloom, maybe "Troughycyclonic Bore"
> ???
> > It must be Global Warming, the culprit.
> > This system is moving off to the east.
> > Bring on the next cold anticyclone !!!
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Over how many years ??

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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Boring weather....


> Don't know where you have been hiding them MT - while in the Illawarra I
saw
> 7 waterspouts, lightning, thunder, 2 whales, over 100mm of rain, localised
> flooding............. Thought it was reasonably interesting!
>
> Paul.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael
Thompson
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 10:15 AM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Boring weather....
>
> I hereby relinquish my crown as chief weather whinger to John Gaul.
>
> Despite the fact that we have had no significant weather in the Illawarra
> since the 28th February I have to concede that Christchurch has taken the
> crown. Even when the weather appears great on the synoptic,  it has
remained
> boring in the face of this..
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> > Yes, that maybe interesting but the weather was genarally boring over NZ
> > with this significant trough.
> > what's the opposite of Anticyclonic Gloom, maybe "Troughycyclonic Bore"
> ???
> > It must be Global Warming, the culprit.
> > This system is moving off to the east.
> > Bring on the next cold anticyclone !!!
> >
> >
> > JohnGaul
> > NZ Thunderstorm Soc
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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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That was in the wetter parts, although I probably scored 50-60mm here. But
not is not heavy rain by Illawarra standards and it has been bone dry again
since.

You would love the strato-cu today, just spoilt by occasional sunshine.

Michael


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To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Saturday, 21 July 2001 11:09
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> Hi Michael.
> What about the 70m/m you had a couple of weeks ago?!, at the moment I
become
> somewhat excited at the prospect (after 5 days of stratocu) of drizzle!,
> infact we had 5.2m/m day before yesterday-- all drizzle, but Im sorry NZ
is
> off shore, so I will reappoint you to official position of chief weather
> whinger Australian division!!!!..best regards Clyve H.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Thompson <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 10:44 AM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Boring weather....
>
>
> > I hereby relinquish my crown as chief weather whinger to John Gaul.
> >
> > Despite the fact that we have had no significant weather in the
Illawarra
> > since the 28th February I have to concede that Christchurch has taken
the
> > crown. Even when the weather appears great on the synoptic,  it has
> remained
> > boring in the face of this..
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> > > Yes, that maybe interesting but the weather was genarally boring over
NZ
> > > with this significant trough.
> > > what's the opposite of Anticyclonic Gloom, maybe "Troughycyclonic
Bore"
> > ???
> > > It must be Global Warming, the culprit.
> > > This system is moving off to the east.
> > > Bring on the next cold anticyclone !!!
> > >
> > >
> > > JohnGaul
> > > NZ Thunderstorm Soc
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> Christchurch (no rain at present - must be the southeast flow 'rainsahdow'
> from Banks Peninsula)
> NZ

I'll correct that - it's been raining (lightly) from about midafternoon.


> Actually using my rough rule of thumb I would say snow would be down to
> 600m. I get snow at Robertson here at 700m, if it is 10C or lower and
> raining on the coast.
>
> Michael

 Actually I had a look at the 6PM radar for Auckland yesterday - there was
no rain around the city at that time (presuming the radar's working
correctly) so it could've been clear, if so then the temperature would've
dropped following the sunset. There are hills southeast of Auckland just
reaching 600 metres, plus the higher peaks of the Coromandel Peninsula,
further away to the east (but at a similar latitude) are around 600 - 800
metres. Snow on these ranges is pretty rare - I remember news of snow
settling on the Moehau Range (897 metres - the highest point of the
Coromandel Peninsula) in July 1996, with the report describing it as a 'very
rare occurence'. And since yesterday's snow in the central North Island was
supposed to be no lower than about 1000 metres, it would seem pretty strange
to have snow down to 600 metres near Auckland.




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A bit of consolation to us over here in NZ, there's a Tornado storm-chasing
documentary on TV One tonight at 8pm called "Tornado Diary"

JohnGaul
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Ooohhhhh it was over 2 days at least.

Sister has pics - and getting them developed.

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Over how many years ??

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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Boring weather....


> Don't know where you have been hiding them MT - while in the Illawarra I
saw
> 7 waterspouts, lightning, thunder, 2 whales, over 100mm of rain, localised
> flooding............. Thought it was reasonably interesting!
>
> Paul.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael
Thompson
> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 10:15 AM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Boring weather....
>
> I hereby relinquish my crown as chief weather whinger to John Gaul.
>
> Despite the fact that we have had no significant weather in the Illawarra
> since the 28th February I have to concede that Christchurch has taken the
> crown. Even when the weather appears great on the synoptic,  it has
remained
> boring in the face of this..
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> > Yes, that maybe interesting but the weather was genarally boring over NZ
> > with this significant trough.
> > what's the opposite of Anticyclonic Gloom, maybe "Troughycyclonic Bore"
> ???
> > It must be Global Warming, the culprit.
> > This system is moving off to the east.
> > Bring on the next cold anticyclone !!!
> >
> >
> > JohnGaul
> > NZ Thunderstorm Soc
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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Last week's northern WA rain event
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 19:20:28 +1000
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For those suffering boredom, I've put up a spectacular (and large) satpic of
last week's northwest cloudband that brought record falls to the Pilbara and
West Kimberley regions, together with some interesting charts and a short
report.

Go to http://www.australianweathernews.com and follow the obvious links.

Also of interest (see the news report) was the fact that Eddystone Point in
NE Tasmania recorded its warmest July day on record last Thursday -- and in
a fresh southwesterly! The reported max of 19C looks kosher, and seems to me
to be the result of warmer, drier air entrained around the advancing high,
coupled with fohn effect off the Central Highlands. Any thoughts.

Laurier

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Congratulations Jimmy!!!!  Well done on the interview this morning.  The 
footage that was used was stunning & I think with this that the TV station 
chose well.  I think you did well to answer the questions that she tried to 
turn 'sensationalistic'.

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Hi Michael and all,

I tried my best to get ASWA a mention: the best I
could do is get the ASW our site URL mentioned which
will hopefully lead to ASWA.

The questions asked was not ideal and it was totally
to dramaticise the whole idea of chasing - not the way
we were supposed to discuss it but they do what they
want. Oh well, I am glad they did show the correct
footage as I was not able to get into the Melbourne
Channel Nine studios!!! I like the part where they
said two large tornadoes!!! yerright

Anyway, I will be back in Sydney tomorrow evening. I
am off to the footy today though watching the
Collingwood Game with my cousins Mad Collingwood
supporters...

Jimmy Deguara

--- Michael Olsen <phycho_little_duck at hotmail.com>
wrote:
 > Hey,
 >
 > Just finished watching the interview on the today
 > show and i must say thats
 > some mighty fine footage. I think the inverview went
 > rather well.
 >
 > Congrats Jimmy
 >
 > Michael Olsen
 >
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INTERESTINGLY BORING WEATHER  if there's such a thing !!??

This trough system over NZ recently and now moving slowly off to the east
could be described as a good example of "Troughy-cyclonic Bore" but as it
was a large system that spawned many lows, there must of been some
interesting weather events associated with it, namely 

i:   Fine weather
ii:  It brought good snowfall dumps to the middle of the NI around the
volcanic area.                                   
iii: Cold temperatures in Auckland, (fancy Gore in Southland being higher
than Auckland!)
iv:  Huge seas off the coast of the South Island
v:   Foehn effect winds to the West Coast of the SI (it's usually here on
the east coast                         that we suffer from the foehn
effects from the nor-wester)
vi:  Good dumps of snow along the eastern side of the Southern Alps today
vii...and a tornado with golf ball sized hail to Christchurch today !!!!
      (sorry...just kidding about the tornado and hail)
 
so ...  with a spectacular trough system (well looking spectacular on
analysis maps)being huge, nearly the size of an anticyclone, one would
expect more weather associated with it.
Maybe the next trough system may produce friut ???!!!

JohnGaul
NZ Thunderstorm Society

PS> By the way the 'Tornado Diary' documentary tonight on the telly started
off OK but it was getting a bit boring towards the end with the 'human
element' creeping in much more than the scientific/weather/    elements of
tormadoes. 

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Hi!
Just wanted to mention the first (and only) waterspout I've seen, coming in 
to Sydney in an airoplane... (This was around October 1998) It was simply 
amazing, streching long and white from the surface of the sea up in the 
cloudbase. Unfortunately I could only see it for a brief moment, and I 
cannot recall whether it came from a CB or congestus cloud. I do remember 
seeing other funnels forming next to it, stirring up the ocean surface 
underneath. It was an extremely exciting moment, and being so close to it 
made the whole experience something to remember for life... My dream is to 
be in one of the research airoplanes that fly inside the eye of 
hurricanes... I bet that would beat any tornado experience! :-)
Regards, Adele

>From: "Steven Williams" <nzstorm at ihug.co.nz>
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>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Back to winter
>Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 15:07:54 +1200
>
>Thankyou for your interesting funnel cloud report,
>I believe funnel clouds are far more common at sea than over land. Perhaps 
>because there is less turbulence over
>the sea. My NZ experience is that funnel clouds are often reported offshore 
>often creating a waterspout.
>I had not seen funnel clouds before until I started living in the maritime 
>climes of Auckland.
>And as your observation shows, you do not need a huge cloud to generate a 
>funnel cloud. I have observed
>funnel clouds on cumulus with tops no higher than about 7,000ft.
>I don't think these clouds have mesocyclones.
>Regards
>Steven williams
>NZweather
>I---- Original Message -----
>   From: Andrew Godsman
>   To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>   Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 8:39 PM
>   Subject: aus-wx: Back to winter
>
>
>   Hi list,
>
>   I have just returned from a 10 day cruise into New Caledonia, the 
>Royalty Islands and Vanuatu. It certainly was nice to have a snorkel and 
>dive without a wetsuit for a change, but it was quite cool and windy for 
>the duration of the trip for this time of year according to the locals. It 
>is fairly apparent that while I was gone we got some good rain around the 
>Wollongong and South Coast areas as a dry creek that runs along the 
>boundary of my in-laws property on the side of Coolangatta Mt (near Nowra) 
>is running which doesn't usually occur without some solid days of rain.
>
>   The main reason for emailing though is that during the cruise I 
>witnessed my first funnel cloud. It was actually on Tue 17th around 4pm. At 
>the time we were a fair way off-shore, around 80nm SW of the seamounts off 
>the coast from Coffs Harbour. (A big guess and saying 100km off-shore). I 
>was relaxing on the deck and happened to be looking at the low clouds when 
>I spotted a spiked lowering. The cloud it was hanging from was no more than 
>1500m in vertical height and not grunty at all. Thinking the couple of 
>drinks was making me see what I had been hoping to see all trip, I watched 
>for a while longer. Anyway, after about 5 minutes I noticed it extending 
>downwards, which ruled out it being scud. It had uniform thickness and was 
>gradually lowering to around one-quarter the distance from cloud to sea. At 
>this stage I made a mad sprint for my cabin, down three levels and 
>mid-ships, grabbed my camera and zoom lens and then raced back up. Of 
>course when I got back up it had almost fully retracted into the cloud!!! 
>It snapped a shot of the remains, but then as I sat back down I noticed 
>lowering again. This time though it was definately a thin wedge shape. 
>Three more times after this the funnel retracted and then grew again. This 
>was all while the parent cloud shrank, and by the time the funnel was too 
>far to spot behind us, the cloud was barely fragments of itself. The 
>process by which it grew was:
>     a.. the cloud developed a small lowering after which a narrow funnel 
>descended from it,
>     b.. the funnel would then continue from a wedge shape then slowly 
>extend to be a long slim funnel,
>     c.. it would then run out of steam and retract to the cloud base.
>
>   I must state though at this stage, that at no time did the funnel stir 
>any activity on the sea surface that was observable. The vapour funnel did 
>not extend any further than a quater of the way from the cloud base to 
>surface. The best photo that I have seen on anyones web page that fits what 
>I saw was on Micheal T's page of the Lake Illawarra funnel. But the most 
>puzzling thing for me was that the cloud which produced this funnel was so 
>small, there were much gruntier cumulous clouds around, but the others 
>(including this one) were closer to small pieces of low level strato-cu. As 
>I said earlier it surely didn't have any more than around 1500m of vertical 
>hieght. Also, the change in the funel appearance from a classical water 
>spout look, to a definate spiked appearance which lasted all up for around 
>15 minutes. This all also occurred on a good cold SW wind, which gave us a 
>gloriously chilling welcome to Syndey Harbour at 6am on Wednesday morning. 
>If anyone wants to see scans of the photos please let me know and I'll 
>email the pics of the funnel in the three photos I took.
>
>   I'll also take the time to deny all responsibility for the boring 
>weather that has once again descended on the SE area after all the 
>excitement of rainfall and snow while I was gone. Will someone down 
>Adelaide charter a boat and stick a pin in that high down there.
>
>   Cheers
>   Andrew Godsman
>
>   PS I'm not a sales rep, but the Pacific Sky trip was absolutely 
>terrific, and a lovely boat as well.


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Evening all,

Could someone give me the definition of a "slow moving back door cold 
front"please - this term appeared in the NWS forecast for Georgia today.  
Another term I have never quite understood, which is used in the USA is 
'trof' as opposed to 'trough' - anyone know the distinction?

I've included the link to the pic below simply because I think that there 
would not be one among us who would not LOVE to see a day like this!!!!!

http://www.nssl.noaa.gov/~doswell/chasesums/09May01_M01.JPG
if you'd like to see more goto
http://www.nssl.noaa.gov/~doswell/chasesums/Chase_01.html

Jane

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Hello Jane!

21 Jul 01 20:54, you wrote to All:

 JO> Congratulations Jimmy!!!!  Well done on the interview this morning.
 JO> The footage that was used was stunning & I think with this that the TV
 JO> station chose well.  I think you did well to answer the questions that
 JO> she tried to turn 'sensationalistic'.

Yes, was just about to walk out the door to head out to a 'hamfest' (AKA radio
junk sale :) ), and saw they were doing the interview, so stuck around and
watched it.

Well done. :)

Tony, VK3JED

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Hi Jimmy & Jane,

Definately this was a great interview!  You could see what path the they
wanted to go down - but Jimmy did a good job at keeping things realistic
rather than trying to be 'sensalionalistic' as you said.

Well done Jimmy!  Soon ASWA and your face will be a household name/face!

AC

Jane ONeill wrote:
> 
> Congratulations Jimmy!!!!  Well done on the interview this morning.  The
> footage that was used was stunning & I think with this that the TV station
> chose well.  I think you did well to answer the questions that she tried to
> turn 'sensationalistic'.
> 
> PS: my normal email has died & is receiving no mail at all - please send
> email cc: to cadence0312 at hotmail.com for the next couple of days until they
> sort everything out (and could you resend anything that you have sent me in
> the past 24 hours - because I've just discovered that I didn't get it)
> 
> Jane
> --------------------------------
> Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> 
> Melbourne Storm Chasers
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com
> 
> ASWA - Victoria
> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
> --------------------------------
> 
> Hi Michael and all,
> 
> I tried my best to get ASWA a mention: the best I
> could do is get the ASW our site URL mentioned which
> will hopefully lead to ASWA.
> 
> The questions asked was not ideal and it was totally
> to dramaticise the whole idea of chasing - not the way
> we were supposed to discuss it but they do what they
> want. Oh well, I am glad they did show the correct
> footage as I was not able to get into the Melbourne
> Channel Nine studios!!! I like the part where they
> said two large tornadoes!!! yerright
> 
> Anyway, I will be back in Sydney tomorrow evening. I
> am off to the footy today though watching the
> Collingwood Game with my cousins Mad Collingwood
> supporters...
> 
> Jimmy Deguara
> 
> --- Michael Olsen <phycho_little_duck at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>  > Hey,
>  >
>  > Just finished watching the interview on the today
>  > show and i must say thats
>  > some mighty fine footage. I think the inverview went
>  > rather well.
>  >
>  > Congrats Jimmy
>  >
>  > Michael Olsen
>  >
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From: "Les Crossan" <les.crossan at virgin.net>
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jane and the list -

Did anyone manage to video this??? Is there any RA footage on the TV
website??? I'd like to see it....

Les (UK)

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> Hi Jimmy & Jane,
>
> Definately this was a great interview!  You could see what path the they
> wanted to go down - but Jimmy did a good job at keeping things realistic
> rather than trying to be 'sensalionalistic' as you said.
>
> Well done Jimmy!  Soon ASWA and your face will be a household name/face!
>
> AC
>
> Jane ONeill wrote:
> >
> > Congratulations Jimmy!!!!  Well done on the interview this morning.  The
> > footage that was used was stunning & I think with this that the TV
station
> > chose well.  I think you did well to answer the questions that she tried
to
> > turn 'sensationalistic'.
> >
> > PS: my normal email has died & is receiving no mail at all - please send
> > email cc: to cadence0312 at hotmail.com for the next couple of days until
they
> > sort everything out (and could you resend anything that you have sent me
in
> > the past 24 hours - because I've just discovered that I didn't get it)
> >
> > Jane
> > --------------------------------
> > Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> > cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> >
> > Melbourne Storm Chasers
> > http://www.stormchasers.au.com
> >
> > ASWA - Victoria
> > http://www.severeweather.asn.au
> > --------------------------------
> >
> > Hi Michael and all,
> >
> > I tried my best to get ASWA a mention: the best I
> > could do is get the ASW our site URL mentioned which
> > will hopefully lead to ASWA.
> >
> > The questions asked was not ideal and it was totally
> > to dramaticise the whole idea of chasing - not the way
> > we were supposed to discuss it but they do what they
> > want. Oh well, I am glad they did show the correct
> > footage as I was not able to get into the Melbourne
> > Channel Nine studios!!! I like the part where they
> > said two large tornadoes!!! yerright
> >
> > Anyway, I will be back in Sydney tomorrow evening. I
> > am off to the footy today though watching the
> > Collingwood Game with my cousins Mad Collingwood
> > supporters...
> >
> > Jimmy Deguara
> >
> > --- Michael Olsen <phycho_little_duck at hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >  > Hey,
> >  >
> >  > Just finished watching the interview on the today
> >  > show and i must say thats
> >  > some mighty fine footage. I think the inverview went
> >  > rather well.
> >  >
> >  > Congrats Jimmy
> >  >
> >  > Michael Olsen
> >  >
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I didn't mean to post that "back to winter"-message so many times! Hotmail 
is playing tricks on me (as usual)...

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At 11:09 21/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi Michael.
>What about the 70m/m you had a couple of weeks ago?!, at the moment I become
>somewhat excited at the prospect (after 5 days of stratocu) of drizzle!,
>infact we had 5.2m/m day before yesterday-- all drizzle, but Im sorry NZ is
>off shore, so I will reappoint you to official position of chief weather
>whinger Australian division!!!!..best regards Clyve H.

Can I be chief Weather Whinger Australasia, then??? 
Maybe Micheal Thompson and I could have a challenge to see weather
Illawarra or Christchurch can provide the boringest whether !
Any other cities like to take part?
I know by posts over the last couple of months , there must be some good
places in South Australia.  C'mon Adelaide, when was the last time you had
a decent, juicy good thunderstorm???

JohnGaul
NZTS - more than just thunder



>----- Original Message -----
>From: Michael Thompson <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
>To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 10:44 AM
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Boring weather....
>
>
>> I hereby relinquish my crown as chief weather whinger to John Gaul.
>>
>> Despite the fact that we have had no significant weather in the Illawarra
>> since the 28th February I have to concede that Christchurch has taken the
>> crown. Even when the weather appears great on the synoptic,  it has
>remained
>> boring in the face of this..
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>> > Yes, that maybe interesting but the weather was genarally boring over NZ
>> > with this significant trough.
>> > what's the opposite of Anticyclonic Gloom, maybe "Troughycyclonic Bore"
>> ???
>> > It must be Global Warming, the culprit.
>> > This system is moving off to the east.
>> > Bring on the next cold anticyclone !!!
>> >
>> >
>> > JohnGaul
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From: "Gregg Ward" <gregg.ward at xtra.co.nz>
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> PS> By the way the 'Tornado Diary' documentary tonight on the telly
started
> off OK but it was getting a bit boring towards the end with the 'human
> element' creeping in much more than the scientific/weather/    elements of
> tormadoes.
>

John,

I agree with you regarding this program that was on last night.  But did you
hear what the guy at the National Severe Storm Laboratory in the States
said.  He said that Australia was another place where quite a lot of
Super-Cell storms had been reported.


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Afternoon all,

If you are wondering why the MSC & BSC sites are not working properly atm, 
the provider has been yelled at for taking a holiday over the weekend (seems 
to happen once a year at about this time).  The problem is not with your ISP 
or with the internet, it is with our site provider.  The sites should be up 
& running properly within 24 hours or so, which is why I've given an 
alternative email address for now of cadence0312 at hotmail.com

Apologies for the inconvenience.

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From: John Gaul <nzts.nz at caverock.net.nz>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Boring weather....
Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:59:53 +1200

At 11:09 21/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
 >Hi Michael.
 >What about the 70m/m you had a couple of weeks ago?!, at the moment I 
become
 >somewhat excited at the prospect (after 5 days of stratocu) of drizzle!,
 >infact we had 5.2m/m day before yesterday-- all drizzle, but Im sorry NZ 
is
 >off shore, so I will reappoint you to official position of chief weather
 >whinger Australian division!!!!..best regards Clyve H.

Can I be chief Weather Whinger Australasia, then???
Maybe Micheal Thompson and I could have a challenge to see weather
Illawarra or Christchurch can provide the boringest whether !
Any other cities like to take part?
I know by posts over the last couple of months , there must be some good
places in South Australia.  C'mon Adelaide, when was the last time you had
a decent, juicy good thunderstorm???

JohnGaul
NZTS - more than just thunder



 >----- Original Message -----
 >From: Michael Thompson <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
 >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
 >Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 10:44 AM
 >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Boring weather....
 >
 >
 >> I hereby relinquish my crown as chief weather whinger to John Gaul.
 >>
 >> Despite the fact that we have had no significant weather in the 
Illawarra
 >> since the 28th February I have to concede that Christchurch has taken 
the
 >> crown. Even when the weather appears great on the synoptic,  it has
 >remained
 >> boring in the face of this..
 >>
 >> Michael
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> > Yes, that maybe interesting but the weather was genarally boring over 
NZ
 >> > with this significant trough.
 >> > what's the opposite of Anticyclonic Gloom, maybe "Troughycyclonic 
Bore"
 >> ???
 >> > It must be Global Warming, the culprit.
 >> > This system is moving off to the east.
 >> > Bring on the next cold anticyclone !!!
 >> >
 >> >
 >> > JohnGaul
 >> > NZ Thunderstorm Soc


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Re: INTERESTINGLY BORING WEATHER 

An addition to the list today

i:   Fine weather
ii:  It brought good snowfall dumps to the middle of the NI around the
volcanic area.                                   
iii: Cold temperatures in Auckland, (fancy Gore in Southland being higher
than Auckland!)
iv:  Huge seas off the coast of the South Island
v:   Foehn effect winds to the West Coast of the SI (it's usually here on
the east coast                         that we suffer from the foehn
effects from the nor-wester)
vi:  Good dumps of snow along the eastern side of the Southern Alps today
vii...and a tornado with golf ball sized hail to Christchurch today !!!!
      (sorry...just kidding about the tornado and hail)
 
viii  heavy seas through Cook Strait cancelling ferry crossings



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You know spring is on its way when:
- it's 1707 & it's still light
- the light is starting to change colour (this is a bit hard to explain, but 
I have noticed that there are 2 distinct changes in the colour of the light 
each year - there is one at the end of summer & a more gradual one usually 
late July / early August)

....for the past few years in Melbourne I have noticed the changes on:
6th February 1998     22nd July 1998
8th February 1999     ?
16th March 2000       5th August 2000
9th February 2001

This is not directly linked to the temperature either.  Anyone have any idea 
why there is this change?  Or is it a bit like being able to smell rain - 
only some people can smell rain.......

Interesting things that we notice.........

PS: I heard the frogs last night for the first time in a while.....

Jane
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>I know by posts over the last couple of months , there must be some good
>places in South Australia.  C'mon Adelaide, when was the last time you had
>a decent, juicy good thunderstorm???
>
>JohnGaul
>NZTS - more than just thunder

Last thunder in mid May.  Last DECENT thunder late January.  We are long
overdue for something, anything.  It's been a bizarre winter...

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Things are looking a bit worrying tonight, they is the chance of some
drizzle action. The excitement that will cause may crack the chances of the
Illawarra.

Michael


> At 11:09 21/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >Hi Michael.
> >What about the 70m/m you had a couple of weeks ago?!, at the moment I
become
> >somewhat excited at the prospect (after 5 days of stratocu) of drizzle!,
> >infact we had 5.2m/m day before yesterday-- all drizzle, but Im sorry NZ
is
> >off shore, so I will reappoint you to official position of chief weather
> >whinger Australian division!!!!..best regards Clyve H.
>
> Can I be chief Weather Whinger Australasia, then???
> Maybe Micheal Thompson and I could have a challenge to see weather
> Illawarra or Christchurch can provide the boringest whether !
> Any other cities like to take part?
> I know by posts over the last couple of months , there must be some good
> places in South Australia.  C'mon Adelaide, when was the last time you had
> a decent, juicy good thunderstorm???
>
> JohnGaul
> NZTS - more than just thunder
>
>
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Michael Thompson <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
> >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 10:44 AM
> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Boring weather....
> >
> >
> >> I hereby relinquish my crown as chief weather whinger to John Gaul.
> >>
> >> Despite the fact that we have had no significant weather in the
Illawarra
> >> since the 28th February I have to concede that Christchurch has taken
the
> >> crown. Even when the weather appears great on the synoptic,  it has
> >remained
> >> boring in the face of this..
> >>
> >> Michael
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Yes, that maybe interesting but the weather was genarally boring over
NZ
> >> > with this significant trough.
> >> > what's the opposite of Anticyclonic Gloom, maybe "Troughycyclonic
Bore"
> >> ???
> >> > It must be Global Warming, the culprit.
> >> > This system is moving off to the east.
> >> > Bring on the next cold anticyclone !!!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > JohnGaul
> >> > NZ Thunderstorm Soc
>
>
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Hi all,

Due to time constraints, Lindsay is not able to be on the aussie-weather 
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The new address is:

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-----------------------------------------
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from
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John,
    You are not kidding about Adelaide. There may have been a thunder day
last year and yes there was one this year about Jan 25 ( But even then only
some parts of the city ) so there you go maybe a thunderday if you are
lucky. Meanwhile currently in July our wettest and coldest month, we have
not had one winter storm at all really and the next 7 days are fine with
light winds and after that another high....Unbelievable stuff for this time
of the year. Bring on Spring or even Summer, nothing can be more boring than
we are having now even if it was nice and sunny for outdoor goers today.

Martin in an exceptionally boring Adelaide.




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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Boring weather....


At 11:09 21/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi Michael.
>What about the 70m/m you had a couple of weeks ago?!, at the moment I
become
>somewhat excited at the prospect (after 5 days of stratocu) of drizzle!,
>infact we had 5.2m/m day before yesterday-- all drizzle, but Im sorry NZ is
>off shore, so I will reappoint you to official position of chief weather
>whinger Australian division!!!!..best regards Clyve H.

Can I be chief Weather Whinger Australasia, then???
Maybe Micheal Thompson and I could have a challenge to see weather
Illawarra or Christchurch can provide the boringest whether !
Any other cities like to take part?
I know by posts over the last couple of months , there must be some good
places in South Australia.  C'mon Adelaide, when was the last time you had
a decent, juicy good thunderstorm???

JohnGaul
NZTS - more than just thunder



>----- Original Message -----
>From: Michael Thompson <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
>To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 10:44 AM
>Subject: Re: aus-wx: Boring weather....
>
>
>> I hereby relinquish my crown as chief weather whinger to John Gaul.
>>
>> Despite the fact that we have had no significant weather in the Illawarra
>> since the 28th February I have to concede that Christchurch has taken the
>> crown. Even when the weather appears great on the synoptic,  it has
>remained
>> boring in the face of this..
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>> > Yes, that maybe interesting but the weather was genarally boring over
NZ
>> > with this significant trough.
>> > what's the opposite of Anticyclonic Gloom, maybe "Troughycyclonic Bore"
>> ???
>> > It must be Global Warming, the culprit.
>> > This system is moving off to the east.
>> > Bring on the next cold anticyclone !!!
>> >
>> >
>> > JohnGaul
>> > NZ Thunderstorm Soc


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Hi all sorry try this

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Jimmy Deguara
At 08:47 PM 22/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Due to time constraints, Lindsay is not able to be on the aussie-weather 
>list at the moment so he asked me to send this through.
>
>The new address is:
>
><http://www.users.bigpond.com/pearcewalker/blackhth.htm>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pearcewalker/blackhth.<http://www.users.bigpond.com/pearcewalker/blackhth.htm>htm
>
>-----------------------------------------
>Jimmy Deguara
>Storm Chaser and Mathematics Teacher
>
>from
>Schofields, Sydney
>NSW Australia
>
>e-mail:jdeguara at ihug.com.au
>
>Web Page with Michael Bath
>
>Australian Severe Weather Home Page
>http://www.australiasevereweather.com
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Storm News and Archives was updated this morning with more links to new
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See: http://www.k5kj.net/news.htm

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One more time...

http://www.users.bigpond.com/pearcewalker/blackhth.htm

The reason for the previous stuffups is because Lindsay was using non-text 
based e-mail format...

Jimmy Deguara

At 10:42 PM 22/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi all sorry try this
>
><http://www.users.bigpond.com/pearcewalker/blackhth.htm>http://www.users.bigpond.com/pearcewalker/blackhth.<http://www.users.bigpond.com/pearcewalker/blackhth.htm>htm
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>Jimmy Deguara
>At 08:47 PM 22/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
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>>
>>Due to time constraints, Lindsay is not able to be on the aussie-weather 
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>>The new address is:
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>>
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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Cirrus from north.
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:12:13 +1000
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Hi all.
Interesting to see cirrus (about 30.000ft) drifting from the north over
central Vic this morning, (better than nothing) indicating a weak area of
vorticity west of Vic, although a wish forecast its worth keeping a check
on. Also the baroclinic area over the Pilbara looks to be responding to an
intensification of the sub tropical jet in that area may lead to a burst of
patchy rain over that region. best wishes Clyve Herbert.

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Yeah Clyve Cirrus here too, but with more interesting Cu developing aswell! 
A bit messy and defuse at the moment but it's only early yet. Is there a 
upper low, a chinck in the high's armor?

Ballarat is fine, cool to a tad mildder than cool, I'm not wearing a jumper 
it's comfortable in a shirt, yeah Cirrus and some tuffy Cu development, wind 
bugger all if at all from the ENE.

Let ya all know if anythign else happens

Les Baxter
Ballarat Weather


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>Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:12:13 +1000
>
>Hi all.
>Interesting to see cirrus (about 30.000ft) drifting from the north over
>central Vic this morning, (better than nothing) indicating a weak area of
>vorticity west of Vic, although a wish forecast its worth keeping a check
>on. Also the baroclinic area over the Pilbara looks to be responding to an
>intensification of the sub tropical jet in that area may lead to a burst of
>patchy rain over that region. best wishes Clyve Herbert.
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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Tropo: stuff.
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:14:31 +1000
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Hi Tropos.
Interesting and large area of convection extending from about 10 north to
near 10 south along the Indonesian west coast,its already feeding moisture
above 550hpa into thew subtropical jet over WA. Also the active cold front
south west of WA may aid in the transportation of this tropical moisture
plume south eastward over the Australian region over the next several
days.regards Clyve Herbert.

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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 11:18:23 +1000
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Hi Leslie.
Looks to be a feeble area of vorticity just near the Vic border (I repeat
feeble),also there's a lower level weak area of vorticity south west of
Adelaide which looks to be dissipating, never the less, I am always
interested in the appearance of any form of upper level disturbances, they
are always worth keeping  a check on. regards Clyve H.
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> Yeah Clyve Cirrus here too, but with more interesting Cu developing
aswell!
> A bit messy and defuse at the moment but it's only early yet. Is there a
> upper low, a chinck in the high's armor?
>
> Ballarat is fine, cool to a tad mildder than cool, I'm not wearing a
jumper
> it's comfortable in a shirt, yeah Cirrus and some tuffy Cu development,
wind
> bugger all if at all from the ENE.
>
> Let ya all know if anythign else happens
>
> Les Baxter
> Ballarat Weather
>
>
> >From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
> >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> >Subject: aus-wx: Cirrus from north.
> >Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:12:13 +1000
> >
> >Hi all.
> >Interesting to see cirrus (about 30.000ft) drifting from the north over
> >central Vic this morning, (better than nothing) indicating a weak area of
> >vorticity west of Vic, although a wish forecast its worth keeping a check
> >on. Also the baroclinic area over the Pilbara looks to be responding to
an
> >intensification of the sub tropical jet in that area may lead to a burst
of
> >patchy rain over that region. best wishes Clyve Herbert.
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Nice to see a moderate shower here in Adelaide this morning.  I have been 
keeping an eye on the developing upper situation for the last few days.  
This morning heaps of convection has been occuring around Adelaide.  Lots of 
high cumulus moving very slowly.  It seems a lot more like a spring or 
summer day when we are expecting t'storms rather than winter, I mean in 
convection terms not temperature.  The brunt of the cold upper level air 
hasn't reached Adelaide yet has it?  By the way Clyve when you mention the 
weak surface low do you mean the one in the Bight?  Or is there another one 
closer to Adelaide?  These small surface disturbances when combined with 
upper level systems can produced interesting events like during May when we 
had all day rain in Adelaide.  The cumulus is now stating to mix with some 
middle level cloud from the south.  Hopefully Adelaide will score a few more 
showers from this system.  BOM has upgraded it's forecasts slightly to a few 
showers in areas.  I wouldn't expect much but from cold air aloft who knows?


.std.com>
> > >Subject: aus-wx: Cirrus from north.
> > >Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 09:12:13 +1000
> > >
> > >Hi all.
> > >Interesting to see cirrus (about 30.000ft) drifting from the north over
> > >central Vic this morning, (better than nothing) indicating a weak area 
>of
> > >vorticity west of Vic, although a wish forecast its worth keeping a 
>check
> > >on. Also the baroclinic area over the Pilbara looks to be responding to
>an
> > >intensification of the sub tropical jet in that area may lead to a 
>burst
>of
> > >patchy rain over that region. best wishes Clyve Herbert.
> > >
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From: "Met Support 3" <twc at theweather.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Interesting Weather on the Way [thread previously:"Boring weather"]
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:29:57 +1000
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Hi everyone,
                   Far from boring, it is looking pretty exciting for the
next week if you live in northern NSW or southeast QLD (sorry if you
elsewhere!!).  Most people reading this probably already know this but I
thought it is still worth posting about.  For one, the latest EC shows a
possible east coast low developing on Saturday off the Northern Rivers of
NSW.  Sea surface temperatures are unusually warm in this area (around 22c)
for this time of year so there is plenty of "fuel" for such a storm system.
Secondly, there maybe some unseasonal thunderstorm activity later today or
tomorrow for northeast inland NSW and southeast inland QLD as there is a
fair bit of destabilisation occurring.  Keep a watch out!
Paul.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Davey" <Guttierez at bigpond.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 5:42 PM
Subject: RE: aus-wx: Boring weather....


> John,
>     You are not kidding about Adelaide. There may have been a thunder day
> last year and yes there was one this year about Jan 25 ( But even then
only
> some parts of the city ) so there you go maybe a thunderday if you are
> lucky. Meanwhile currently in July our wettest and coldest month, we have
> not had one winter storm at all really and the next 7 days are fine with
> light winds and after that another high....Unbelievable stuff for this
time
> of the year. Bring on Spring or even Summer, nothing can be more boring
than
> we are having now even if it was nice and sunny for outdoor goers today.
>
> Martin in an exceptionally boring Adelaide.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of John Gaul
> Sent: Saturday, 21 July 2001 09:30 PM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Boring weather....
>
>
> At 11:09 21/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >Hi Michael.
> >What about the 70m/m you had a couple of weeks ago?!, at the moment I
> become
> >somewhat excited at the prospect (after 5 days of stratocu) of drizzle!,
> >infact we had 5.2m/m day before yesterday-- all drizzle, but Im sorry NZ
is
> >off shore, so I will reappoint you to official position of chief weather
> >whinger Australian division!!!!..best regards Clyve H.
>
> Can I be chief Weather Whinger Australasia, then???
> Maybe Micheal Thompson and I could have a challenge to see weather
> Illawarra or Christchurch can provide the boringest whether !
> Any other cities like to take part?
> I know by posts over the last couple of months , there must be some good
> places in South Australia.  C'mon Adelaide, when was the last time you had
> a decent, juicy good thunderstorm???
>
> JohnGaul
> NZTS - more than just thunder
>
>
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Michael Thompson <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
> >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 10:44 AM
> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Boring weather....
> >
> >
> >> I hereby relinquish my crown as chief weather whinger to John Gaul.
> >>
> >> Despite the fact that we have had no significant weather in the
Illawarra
> >> since the 28th February I have to concede that Christchurch has taken
the
> >> crown. Even when the weather appears great on the synoptic,  it has
> >remained
> >> boring in the face of this..
> >>
> >> Michael
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Yes, that maybe interesting but the weather was genarally boring over
> NZ
> >> > with this significant trough.
> >> > what's the opposite of Anticyclonic Gloom, maybe "Troughycyclonic
Bore"
> >> ???
> >> > It must be Global Warming, the culprit.
> >> > This system is moving off to the east.
> >> > Bring on the next cold anticyclone !!!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > JohnGaul
> >> > NZ Thunderstorm Soc
>
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Hi all

Clearly cold air aloft in Adelaide at the moment.  High humidity, chilly,
still air and moderate sized, watery cumulus building quite suddenly after
about 11.00am. No thunder.  I just got about 6mm here at St Peters and
although it's spent for the moment I wouldn't be suprised if there's more
to come.

Once again - bizarre weather.  Wierd forcing mechanisms [well, okay, I've
seen this kind of winter convection here before], and NO WIND.  There has
just been NO WIND this winter!  And that gigantic ridge of high pressure to
our south just won't go away.  To add to all that - do I see a trough
developing over Queensland and NSW?

Better check the models - not that they've been very useful lately.... ;)

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From: "Ben Quinn" <benquinn at optushome.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: MSC & BSC
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 14:38:25 +1000
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Hi Jane, all

The MSC site is working for me now and with any luck BSCH will up again by
the end of the day

.....no christmas card for netregistry.com this year!!!!!!!


----- Original Message -----
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To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 1:41 PM
Subject: aus-wx: MSC & BSC


> Afternoon all,
>
> If you are wondering why the MSC & BSC sites are not working properly atm,
> the provider has been yelled at for taking a holiday over the weekend
(seems
> to happen once a year at about this time).  The problem is not with your
ISP
> or with the internet, it is with our site provider.  The sites should be
up
> & running properly within 24 hours or so, which is why I've given an
> alternative email address for now of cadence0312 at hotmail.com
>
> Apologies for the inconvenience.
>
> Jane
> --------------------------------
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>
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>
> From: John Gaul <nzts.nz at caverock.net.nz>
> Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Boring weather....
> Date: Sat, 21 Jul 2001 23:59:53 +1200
>
> At 11:09 21/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
>  >Hi Michael.
>  >What about the 70m/m you had a couple of weeks ago?!, at the moment I
> become
>  >somewhat excited at the prospect (after 5 days of stratocu) of drizzle!,
>  >infact we had 5.2m/m day before yesterday-- all drizzle, but Im sorry NZ
> is
>  >off shore, so I will reappoint you to official position of chief weather
>  >whinger Australian division!!!!..best regards Clyve H.
>
> Can I be chief Weather Whinger Australasia, then???
> Maybe Micheal Thompson and I could have a challenge to see weather
> Illawarra or Christchurch can provide the boringest whether !
> Any other cities like to take part?
> I know by posts over the last couple of months , there must be some good
> places in South Australia.  C'mon Adelaide, when was the last time you had
> a decent, juicy good thunderstorm???
>
> JohnGaul
> NZTS - more than just thunder
>
>
>
>  >----- Original Message -----
>  >From: Michael Thompson <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
>  >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>  >Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 10:44 AM
>  >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Boring weather....
>  >
>  >
>  >> I hereby relinquish my crown as chief weather whinger to John Gaul.
>  >>
>  >> Despite the fact that we have had no significant weather in the
> Illawarra
>  >> since the 28th February I have to concede that Christchurch has taken
> the
>  >> crown. Even when the weather appears great on the synoptic,  it has
>  >remained
>  >> boring in the face of this..
>  >>
>  >> Michael
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>
>  >> > Yes, that maybe interesting but the weather was genarally boring
over
> NZ
>  >> > with this significant trough.
>  >> > what's the opposite of Anticyclonic Gloom, maybe "Troughycyclonic
> Bore"
>  >> ???
>  >> > It must be Global Warming, the culprit.
>  >> > This system is moving off to the east.
>  >> > Bring on the next cold anticyclone !!!
>  >> >
>  >> >
>  >> > JohnGaul
>  >> > NZ Thunderstorm Soc
>
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From: "Met Support 3" <twc at theweather.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: T'storms firing up southern QLD!!
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:26:56 +1000
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Hi everyone,
                   Hello fellow storm junkies...I'm just letting you know
that storms are firing in southern QLD (though being storm junkies, perhaps
you are already know??)
Paul G.
The Weather Company
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Perth Storms - is it possible?
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> 
> 
> After one of the most dullest winters I've ever seen in Perth before, we
> finally have some action on the radar, with pink and green on it, the live
> costal cams look pretty good too.
> 
> I just hope it doesnt fade out before it reaches the coast.
> 
> Jacob

Some of the rainfall figures in southern WA, especially the inland,
are frighteningly low. The media seem to have discovered Lake Grace,
and with good reason; they have had only 94.2mm in the (almost)
11 months since 1/9/2000, about 30% of normal for this period,
and 236.8mm in the 18 months since 1/2/2000. (The 18-month deciles
map looks gloomy enough even now; it will look a lot worse at the end
of the month when the huge unseasonal rains of January 2000 fall out
of the 18-month totals).

As mentioned a couple of weeks ago, the decline of rainfall in 
southwest WA is one of the clearest climate change signals in
Australia (both in observed historical data and as projected by models).
As such one might expect such events to become an increasingly 
common occurrence, which isn't something which will please WA's
farmers (or Perth water users for that matter). I'm not holding my
breath waiting for the local member, one Wilson Tuckey, to take a 
lead on the issue :-(

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I'll say there is - Has anyone seen the lightening tracker for SE QLD in the last couple of hours?  NOTHING this morning, I look outside at lunchtime and see some smallish CB's way off in the distance so I check the tracker, plenty of CG Lightening west of Warwick.  looks to be heading in a ENE direction.  In fact, I think I hear some distant thunder.  Could just be excitement rushing in my ears!!!  Anyone out that way get anything interesting?

Seona
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Subject: aus-wx: Interesting Weather on the Way [thread previously:"Boring weather"]

Hi everyone,
                   Far from boring, it is looking pretty exciting for the
next week if you live in northern NSW or southeast QLD (sorry if you
elsewhere!!).  Most people reading this probably already know this but I
thought it is still worth posting about.  For one, the latest EC shows a
possible east coast low developing on Saturday off the Northern Rivers of
NSW.  Sea surface temperatures are unusually warm in this area (around 22c)
for this time of year so there is plenty of "fuel" for such a storm system.
Secondly, there maybe some unseasonal thunderstorm activity later today or
tomorrow for northeast inland NSW and southeast inland QLD as there is a
fair bit of destabilisation occurring.  Keep a watch out!
Paul.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Davey" <Guttierez at bigpond.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 5:42 PM
Subject: RE: aus-wx: Boring weather....


> John,
>     You are not kidding about Adelaide. There may have been a thunder day
> last year and yes there was one this year about Jan 25 ( But even then
only
> some parts of the city ) so there you go maybe a thunderday if you are
> lucky. Meanwhile currently in July our wettest and coldest month, we have
> not had one winter storm at all really and the next 7 days are fine with
> light winds and after that another high....Unbelievable stuff for this
time
> of the year. Bring on Spring or even Summer, nothing can be more boring
than
> we are having now even if it was nice and sunny for outdoor goers today.
>
> Martin in an exceptionally boring Adelaide.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of John Gaul
> Sent: Saturday, 21 July 2001 09:30 PM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Boring weather....
>
>
> At 11:09 21/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >Hi Michael.
> >What about the 70m/m you had a couple of weeks ago?!, at the moment I
> become
> >somewhat excited at the prospect (after 5 days of stratocu) of drizzle!,
> >infact we had 5.2m/m day before yesterday-- all drizzle, but Im sorry NZ
is
> >off shore, so I will reappoint you to official position of chief weather
> >whinger Australian division!!!!..best regards Clyve H.
>
> Can I be chief Weather Whinger Australasia, then???
> Maybe Micheal Thompson and I could have a challenge to see weather
> Illawarra or Christchurch can provide the boringest whether !
> Any other cities like to take part?
> I know by posts over the last couple of months , there must be some good
> places in South Australia.  C'mon Adelaide, when was the last time you had
> a decent, juicy good thunderstorm???
>
> JohnGaul
> NZTS - more than just thunder
>
>
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Michael Thompson <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
> >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 10:44 AM
> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Boring weather....
> >
> >
> >> I hereby relinquish my crown as chief weather whinger to John Gaul.
> >>
> >> Despite the fact that we have had no significant weather in the
Illawarra
> >> since the 28th February I have to concede that Christchurch has taken
the
> >> crown. Even when the weather appears great on the synoptic,  it has
> >remained
> >> boring in the face of this..
> >>
> >> Michael
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Yes, that maybe interesting but the weather was genarally boring over
> NZ
> >> > with this significant trough.
> >> > what's the opposite of Anticyclonic Gloom, maybe "Troughycyclonic
Bore"
> >> ???
> >> > It must be Global Warming, the culprit.
> >> > This system is moving off to the east.
> >> > Bring on the next cold anticyclone !!!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > JohnGaul
> >> > NZ Thunderstorm Soc
>
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From: "islesit" <islesit at tpg.com.au>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Interesting Weather on the Way - ill keep you posted from Coffs Harbour
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:11:20 +1000
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Hi everyone,

Based here in Coffs Harbour the weather is starting to develop. We had rain
last night as well.  I wish I had a digital cam to post the pics. This
morning, a large cloud bank of cumulus off the coast to the north east. Real
thunderhead type configurations, which for 9.00am was a little unusual. The
rest of the sky was a beautiful clear blue.

By lunch time a mixture of cloud, with some clumps of dark cumulus over the
coast. Small dark little clouds showing a lot more density. Still lots of
general cloud about this afternoon at 4.00pm.

NOGAPS forecast an intense low over the north coast of NSW later in the
week. Humidity is running between 70 - 80% . As this is our defacto dry
season this is unusual.

While it isnt unusual for storms to develop off the coast, most of our
storms come from the south west the product of prevailing weather systems
and orographic rainfall.

Best wishes

Ian Isles.

P.S. If ive got the names wrong let us know, I enjoy the weather systems
especially the storms, but im still a bit dodgy on the names.


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Sent: Monday, 23 July 2001 12:30 PM
To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
Subject: aus-wx: Interesting Weather on the Way [thread previously:"Boring
weather"]

Hi everyone,
                   Far from boring, it is looking pretty exciting for the
next week if you live in northern NSW or southeast QLD (sorry if you
elsewhere!!).  Most people reading this probably already know this but I
thought it is still worth posting about.  For one, the latest EC shows a
possible east coast low developing on Saturday off the Northern Rivers of
NSW.  Sea surface temperatures are unusually warm in this area (around 22c)
for this time of year so there is plenty of "fuel" for such a storm system.
Secondly, there maybe some unseasonal thunderstorm activity later today or
tomorrow for northeast inland NSW and southeast inland QLD as there is a
fair bit of destabilisation occurring.  Keep a watch out!
Paul.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Davey" <Guttierez at bigpond.com.au>
To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2001 5:42 PM
Subject: RE: aus-wx: Boring weather....


> John,
>     You are not kidding about Adelaide. There may have been a thunder day
> last year and yes there was one this year about Jan 25 ( But even then
only
> some parts of the city ) so there you go maybe a thunderday if you are
> lucky. Meanwhile currently in July our wettest and coldest month, we have
> not had one winter storm at all really and the next 7 days are fine with
> light winds and after that another high....Unbelievable stuff for this
time
> of the year. Bring on Spring or even Summer, nothing can be more boring
than
> we are having now even if it was nice and sunny for outdoor goers today.
>
> Martin in an exceptionally boring Adelaide.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of John Gaul
> Sent: Saturday, 21 July 2001 09:30 PM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Boring weather....
>
>
> At 11:09 21/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
> >Hi Michael.
> >What about the 70m/m you had a couple of weeks ago?!, at the moment I
> become
> >somewhat excited at the prospect (after 5 days of stratocu) of drizzle!,
> >infact we had 5.2m/m day before yesterday-- all drizzle, but Im sorry NZ
is
> >off shore, so I will reappoint you to official position of chief weather
> >whinger Australian division!!!!..best regards Clyve H.
>
> Can I be chief Weather Whinger Australasia, then???
> Maybe Micheal Thompson and I could have a challenge to see weather
> Illawarra or Christchurch can provide the boringest whether !
> Any other cities like to take part?
> I know by posts over the last couple of months , there must be some good
> places in South Australia.  C'mon Adelaide, when was the last time you had
> a decent, juicy good thunderstorm???
>
> JohnGaul
> NZTS - more than just thunder
>
>
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Michael Thompson <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
> >To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 10:44 AM
> >Subject: Re: aus-wx: Boring weather....
> >
> >
> >> I hereby relinquish my crown as chief weather whinger to John Gaul.
> >>
> >> Despite the fact that we have had no significant weather in the
Illawarra
> >> since the 28th February I have to concede that Christchurch has taken
the
> >> crown. Even when the weather appears great on the synoptic,  it has
> >remained
> >> boring in the face of this..
> >>
> >> Michael
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Yes, that maybe interesting but the weather was genarally boring over
> NZ
> >> > with this significant trough.
> >> > what's the opposite of Anticyclonic Gloom, maybe "Troughycyclonic
Bore"
> >> ???
> >> > It must be Global Warming, the culprit.
> >> > This system is moving off to the east.
> >> > Bring on the next cold anticyclone !!!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > JohnGaul
> >> > NZ Thunderstorm Soc
>
>
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I agree Phil there is clearly cold air aloft in Adelaide at the moment.  I 
would not say it is a surprise though.  GASP has had an upper level low 
positioned near Adelaide for today and tomorrow for the last few days.  I 
was thinking BOM had seriously underestimated this system and I stil lthink 
they have considering it has shown up on the models.  At around 12;30pm here 
there was a great long lasting shower dumping around 5mm, not recorded as 
much at Kent Twon though.  The behind of it was very slow moving and I could 
see right up to the top of the very tall cumulus, edge of it between a 
bright blue sky it was great.  Hope we get a few more long lasting showers 
overnight and tomorrow.  BOM has upped their forecast again tomorrow to a 
few showers I wish some thunder would evelop but that's not very likely.  
Maybe an end to this unusual weather by early next week with a frontal 
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Interesting Weather on the Way [thread   previously:"Boring weather"]
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:34:06 +1000
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Hi Seona,
              We had a report of hail from Mitchell in southern QLD this
afternoon...
Paul G.
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Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 3:55 PM
Subject: Fw: aus-wx: Interesting Weather on the Way [thread
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> I'll say there is - Has anyone seen the lightening tracker for SE QLD in
the last couple of hours?  NOTHING this morning, I look outside at lunchtime
and see some smallish CB's way off in the distance so I check the tracker,
plenty of CG Lightening west of Warwick.  looks to be heading in a ENE
direction.  In fact, I think I hear some distant thunder.  Could just be
excitement rushing in my ears!!!  Anyone out that way get anything
interesting?
>
> Seona
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Met Support 3" <twc at theweather.com.au>
> Sent: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 12:29:57 +1000
> To:  <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Subject: aus-wx: Interesting Weather on the Way [thread previously:"Boring
weather"]
>
> Hi everyone,
>                    Far from boring, it is looking pretty exciting for the
> next week if you live in northern NSW or southeast QLD (sorry if you
> elsewhere!!).  Most people reading this probably already know this but I
> thought it is still worth posting about.  For one, the latest EC shows a
> possible east coast low developing on Saturday off the Northern Rivers of
> NSW.  Sea surface temperatures are unusually warm in this area (around
22c)
> for this time of year so there is plenty of "fuel" for such a storm
system.
> Secondly, there maybe some unseasonal thunderstorm activity later today or
> tomorrow for northeast inland NSW and southeast inland QLD as there is a
> fair bit of destabilisation occurring.  Keep a watch out!
> Paul.
>


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From: "Simon Clarke" <nomis66 at bigpond.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: Plenty of storms out to sea also
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:53:21 +1000
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Can't see any inland storm action here from Bayside 
Brisbane yet, but there have been sporadic bursts of cb's out to sea all day 
today.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Looks as if its all going to come together here 
over the next few days. Hope so, less than 375mm of rain here so far this year 
where I live and one third of that fell on one day in January.</FONT></DIV>
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Hi every1,

Some chunky Cu to the NW and the SE (*sigh* - not here - again!) There 
definitely seems to be a slight amount of support for some convection. If 
only the As had cleared long enough for some heating!

BTW...latest cimss vorticity analysis shows a weak PVA area near the SA/Vic 
border aligned roughly SW - NE...

Cheers,
Kevin from (a still dry) Wycheproof.

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Hi all

A nice sunset in Melbourne thanks to the cirrus around.  I snapped these
just then:

http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/Weather/2001_07_23/today.html


Cheers

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Tis a wee nippy over SA/VIC
http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~ventus45/AUS/AUSmet/_Current/

S G wrote:
> 
> I agree Phil there is clearly cold air aloft in Adelaide at the moment.  I
> would not say it is a surprise though.  GASP has had an upper level low
> positioned near Adelaide for today and tomorrow for the last few days.  I
> was thinking BOM had seriously underestimated this system and I stil lthink
> they have considering it has shown up on the models.  At around 12;30pm here
> there was a great long lasting shower dumping around 5mm, not recorded as
> much at Kent Twon though.  The behind of it was very slow moving and I could
> see right up to the top of the very tall cumulus, edge of it between a
> bright blue sky it was great.  Hope we get a few more long lasting showers
> overnight and tomorrow.  BOM has upped their forecast again tomorrow to a
> few showers I wish some thunder would evelop but that's not very likely.
> Maybe an end to this unusual weather by early next week with a frontal
> system maybe inpacting on WA late in this week.
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<P>Unusual convective(?) shower developed here in Canberra this afternoon.&nbsp; Looking out my window to the east, here in Woden, (as a ruminating public servant is wont to do) there was about 15-20 minutes of what appeared to be numerous very distinct shafts of rain (from a darkening and layering base)&nbsp;in what was at first was a&nbsp;succession of compressing and expanding motions of the shafts (i.e they would all come closer&nbsp;together and then they would separte) and then there appeared to be some rotation of the various shafts of visible precipitation.&nbsp; The shower then took on a more conventional appearance and headed off&nbsp;in a&nbsp;south easterly direction.&nbsp; I was sufficiently interested to take a closer look and follow the shower and noticed that there as a long trail of cloud 'attached' (in a north westerly aspect) to&nbsp;the shower trailing from it, as it headed south east.&nbsp; Unfortunately no video as it's in getting fixed!<BR><BR></P></DIV>!
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At 14:34 21/07/01 +1200, you wrote:


John,
>the geography of Christchurch shelters the  city from a lot of weather.
>Also, given the fact that Christchurch is at sea level and north of lat 
>45deg, it would take a humdinger of a polar outbreak to get snow into
>Christchurch. I lived in Christchurch  for a year and it was common to get
>the cb in the foothills and ranges and for it to be clear in  CHCH. 
>Regards Steven Williams (Auckland) NZweather 

Steven,
It does snow in Christchurch, Ben Tichborne would tell you about that. 
1998 was the only 'snow-free' year in ChCh during the 1990's. In 1992 the
snow here brought the city to a standstill. As far as other weather goes,
we had a great thunderstorm here in 1983 that produced a tornado that
brought damage to Halswell and Bob Crowder, the NZ organics guru and
weather watcher, (not to be confused with the Australian namesake Bob
Crowder), has an excellent photograph of a tornado funnel taken from
Lincoln in 1968. 
Don't forget the storm we had here last October the 12th!

So, despite the fact that the geography of ChCh shelters a lot of weather,
we do get the occasional bouts of interesting weather.  

JohnGaul
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Another addition to the list

ix:  an avalanche on the Craigieburn Ski Field TODAY




This system has now moved off to the east of New Zealand and now we have to
endure the next anticyclone which looks to move slowly into the Tasman Sea
whilst a new trough develops over SE Australia. 

More boring frosty weather coming up for us intil the next 'interestingly
boring weather' trough moves over NZ!

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Has anyone sampled the 1:250,000 topographic maps covering the whole of
Australia on 2 CD's just released by AUSLIG?  Looking for feedback.....

Thanks to everyone for doing the email shuffle with me for the last
couple of days <g>

Jane

PS: nice sunset shots Robert!!!!
Currently 8.9C at 100m, 6.4C at 500m

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Michael and All.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>On my way to work today (23/7)at 2:30pm in noticed 
10-12 chunky Cu's dotted all over the sky to my north, east and south and a fair 
bit of lower level crap "trying to hide the evidence". i didnt see any rain in 
my area although my mum had told me it was raining earlier. and to those rain 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>current temp&nbsp;is a very warm 1.9*c</FONT></DIV>
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  shower then took on a more conventional appearance and headed off&nbsp;in 
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  closer look and follow the shower and noticed that there as a long trail of 
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Hi Adele,

This reply might be a little stale as i have been away at a conference for
two weeks.

I must admit that I am suprised that the occurence of Thundersnow is not as
common as I would expect. I think it was John who braught up the main point
that the current theory for electrification relies on riming on ice
particles, this means supercooled cloud droplets 'hitting' ice particles.

I would imagine that the problem is that if an air mass is really cold, then
most nucleation is in the form of ice particles. But statistics would say
that there should be water droplets around as well which would lead me to
think that thunder should be more common. However, the concentrations would
be small in a region so maybe there isn't suficient charge seperation for a
bolt. However, in relativly warm snow tempretures, say -4C in the cloud, the
thermodynamics really favors water rather than ice so, in these conditions,
i imagine thundersnow is pretty common. A soudning of such a situation would
be nice.

Cheers, Lyle


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> Hi again all!
>
> I'm following the conversations on the list with great interest, but feel
> that I'm too far away to contribute with anything. (hopefully that will
> change soon...sigh!)
> Now, there is something that happened here on the west coast of Norway
> (Bergen, to be exact), which I thought maybe someone could explain, or
> comment on.
> It was in the evening in late February this year, or early March, and the
> snow was falling thick outside. The temperature must have been around 0.
(I
> think from now on I'll take weather-notes :-) Suddenly there was a HUGE
> crack of thunder right above, which made me jump 2m in my chair! I hadn't
> expected anything like it, and particularly not on a snowy day! There were
> several other thundercracks following, but I couldn't observe any
> lightening, perhaps because of the poor vision? Anyway, it was weird! Any
> comments?
>
> By the way, I have a web-site, if anyone is interested:
> http://home.online.no/~svehja/
> I must admit, it's not the grooviest design, and the content is...
thinnish,
> but at least you can have a look at some of the photos I've taken. I will
> post more of them, but as you may have guessed, there are no huge photo
> opportunities in a country like this! And I'm sorry the guestbook is in
> Norwegian...that too will change one day. :-)
>
> regards,
> Adele Jaunn
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Thanks Lyle... That was interesting! I'm fairly new to the physics of 
weather, but I'm sure I'll get better at it as time goes by! :-) I learn 
heaps from the mailing list, which is really good!

Adele


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>Hi Adele,
>
>This reply might be a little stale as i have been away at a conference for
>two weeks.
>
>I must admit that I am suprised that the occurence of Thundersnow is not as
>common as I would expect. I think it was John who braught up the main point
>that the current theory for electrification relies on riming on ice
>particles, this means supercooled cloud droplets 'hitting' ice particles.
>
>I would imagine that the problem is that if an air mass is really cold, 
>then
>most nucleation is in the form of ice particles. But statistics would say
>that there should be water droplets around as well which would lead me to
>think that thunder should be more common. However, the concentrations would
>be small in a region so maybe there isn't suficient charge seperation for a
>bolt. However, in relativly warm snow tempretures, say -4C in the cloud, 
>the
>thermodynamics really favors water rather than ice so, in these conditions,
>i imagine thundersnow is pretty common. A soudning of such a situation 
>would
>be nice.
>
>Cheers, Lyle
>

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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Morning all,

Very interesting band of showers currently off the NSW coast, with the area
of heaviest reflectivity just off Wollongong!!!!  Michael, this could ruin
your record!!! and it's not drizzle!

Jane
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Morning Jane,

Some nice dev off the coast in SEQ as well, also I notice an Anvil on the
horizon to the SW.  Getting more interesting...

John
>snip

Subject: aus-wx: Showers off NSW coast


Morning all,

Very interesting band of showers currently off the NSW coast, with the area
of heaviest reflectivity just off Wollongong!!!!  Michael, this could ruin
your record!!! and it's not drizzle!

Jane

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Reporting in from Coffs Harbour.

Time 9.20 am. Temperature 15c Humidity 75%.

Last night we had a passing shower.

Again this morning we have completely clear skies over head and all along
the land.

But over the ocean from the northern horizon to southern horizon we have a
huge bank, cumulus stratus, interspersed with thunderheads that appear to be
cracking some altitude.

So something is building up out there - must be waiting for a trigger of
some type.

As fore mentioned this type of weather is unusual this time of year.

Ill keep you posted

Ian Isles
CoffsHarbour
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They look great from Canberra too - nice solid, towering cb's - a very 
welcome sight but surprisingly lightning-free according to the TWC Lightning 
tracker. From 9.30am they are now disappearing from view behind the 
low-level convection that is starting up - should be another interesting 
afternoon here after some sharp showers yesterday afternoon.

Watch for showers to start popping up on the NSW ranges in the next couple 
of hours. There is also an interesting area of showers and lightning active 
storms over northern inland NSW that is heading SSW.

It is starting to shape up into a very interesting week with an ECL likely - 
depending on your preferred model - to develop off either the NSW north or 
south coast.

About the only people who are unlikely to find the week enjoyable 
(especially later on and into the weekend) are the ski-resort operators and 
skiers as the warm progged temps are suggesting little other than more rain.

There is a possible cold outbreak (532~534dm thickness) on the horizon for 
mid next week so will be hoping that continues to develop.

Patrick

>Morning all,
>
>Very interesting band of showers currently off the NSW coast, with the area
>of heaviest reflectivity just off Wollongong!!!!  Michael, this could ruin
>your record!!! and it's not drizzle!
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Hi every1,

For those that don't already know, nearly all .mil sites have been denied 
public access...

see this article for the reasons why...:((

http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/militarycyberattack_010723.html

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Hi all

Well here in Ballarat we had a tiny shower last night :) It showered for 
like 2 minutes, fairly heavy on the ol tin roof, but this morning there was 
zero in the guage! Things are looking good for this avo, already seen one 
"turkey" to the WNW, it's still to early for the convection to fire up with 
Stratus coming in from the ESE, as soon as that burns off hopefully the Cu 
will pick up.

Currently fine, with stratus cloud and the one Cj to the WNW, cool with a 
East wind.

Cheers
LEs Baxter
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Thanks Kevin,

Perhaps one day we will look upon this time as the golden age of information 
availability. Hopefully, things we resume in due course - but I guess we 
shouldn't take anything for granted.

Patrick

>Hi every1,
>
>For those that don't already know, nearly all .mil sites have been denied
>public access...
>
>see this article for the reasons why...:((
>
>http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/militarycyberattack_010723.html
>
>Cheers,
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Subject: aus-wx: Vorticity SE. Aus.
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:53:38 +1000
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Hi all vortickles!.
An upper area of complex vorticity can be identified near Mildura and just
north of Mt Gambier this morning, unfortunately for much of Vic this area of
upper convergence appears to be in the process of being pressure forced to
the north east which is very good news for the east coast of Australia. The
airmass over Vic though is conditionally more unstable than yesterday so we
can at least look out for some congesting cu and maybe the odd CB!. There
does appear to be some prospect for good rainfall over eastern Aus from this
potential development especially when some of that warm moist Tasman air
gets in under the mid and upper cold pool later today and tomorrow.best
wishes Clyve Herbert.

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The NSW inland aviation forecast (Area 22) reads as follows:-

21:18 UTC, 23/07/2001
AREA FORECAST 232300 TO 241100 AREA 22

OVERVIEW:
A SLOW MOVING SURFACE TROUGH NEAR GOODOOGA/HAY WITH UPPER LOW OVER SOUTHWEST
OF AREA.
ISOLATED EMBEDDED THUNDERSTORMS/RAIN PERIODS NORTHEAST OF A LINE
BOURKE/DUBBO, EXTENDING SOUTHWEST TO ABOUT BOURKE/COBAR/FORBES BY 05Z AND
COBAR/GRIFFITH/NARRANDERRA BY 11Z. ISOLATED SHOWERS EAST OF COBAR/HAY.
ISOLATED FOG PATCHES IN SOUTHEAST UNTIL 24Z.

<snip>

CLOUD:
ISOL EMBD CB 4000/30000 NE OF A LINE BOURKE/DUBBO, EXTENDING SOUTHWEST TO
ABOUT BOURKE/COBAR/FORBES BY 05Z AND
COBAR/GRIFFITH/NARRANDERRA BY 11Z.

This system is starting to look seriously interesting!  Now can someone tell
me why it is only Tuesday & not Friday  :(

Jane

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Hi all

A lady by the name of Angela Murray from the CSIRO is looking for frost
photos, ideally with sugarcane in the frame but in a rural setting at least,
to be used in a presentation on climate in relation to sugarcane growing.
If you have any photos that fit this description her contact details are

Angela E. Murray, GIS Analyst & Cartographer

CSIRO Sustainable Ecosystems,
Long Pocket Laboratories

Email:  Angela.Murray at cse.csiro.au

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Hey People, things looking very good for this avo, Cj going up everywhere 
here and near Ballarat. Nice "Turkeys" about the placce, may be tempted to 
do a patrol later this avo. If any chasers feel the itch and want to head 
this way give me an imediate email b4 4pm or ring my home after that 
(53341364)

Cheers
Gobble gobble
Les
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Hi All,

Grim communique from the West:

"Going back to weather, we had a very foggy morning this week - most unusual
for Perth City. The farmers in the wheatbelt are having really bad drought
problems, a harvest is most unlikely as the seed has not started to grow and
they are having to kill the sheep because there is no grazing.  They are
hoping for a handout from the Government."

John
>snip

Some of the rainfall figures in southern WA, especially the inland,
are frighteningly low. The media seem to have discovered Lake Grace,
and with good reason; they have had only 94.2mm in the (almost)
11 months since 1/9/2000, about 30% of normal for this period,
and 236.8mm in the 18 months since 1/2/2000. (The 18-month deciles
map looks gloomy enough even now; it will look a lot worse at the end
of the month when the huge unseasonal rains of January 2000 fall out
of the 18-month totals).

As mentioned a couple of weeks ago, the decline of rainfall in
southwest WA is one of the clearest climate change signals in
Australia (both in observed historical data and as projected by models).
As such one might expect such events to become an increasingly
common occurrence, which isn't something which will please WA's
farmers (or Perth water users for that matter). I'm not holding my
breath waiting for the local member, one Wilson Tuckey, to take a
lead on the issue :-(

Blair

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Clyve, Fellow Victorians and Countrymen/women,

There are some CJ's over the ranges to the NE of Melbourne as we speak.  Not
too sure how far they'll get but I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Macca


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> Hi all vortickles!.
> An upper area of complex vorticity can be identified near Mildura and just
> north of Mt Gambier this morning, unfortunately for much of Vic this area
of
> upper convergence appears to be in the process of being pressure forced to
> the north east which is very good news for the east coast of Australia.
The
> airmass over Vic though is conditionally more unstable than yesterday so
we
> can at least look out for some congesting cu and maybe the odd CB!. There
> does appear to be some prospect for good rainfall over eastern Aus from
this
> potential development especially when some of that warm moist Tasman air
> gets in under the mid and upper cold pool later today and tomorrow.best
> wishes Clyve Herbert.
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Yeah, its been pretty bad all over the SW, and like you say, Wilson Tuckey
wont even take a lead on the issue, let's hope for a big swing against him
in his safe conservative seat in the next election:)

I can not remember a winter in Perth before that has not seen at least one
strong cold front up to this stage of a winter, normally by now we would
have had at least 4 strong fronts to cross the SW.

We've had a couple of cut off lows, but not even that gave us much.

Jacob

At 03:50 PM 23/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> After one of the most dullest winters I've ever seen in Perth before, we
>> finally have some action on the radar, with pink and green on it, the live
>> costal cams look pretty good too.
>> 
>> I just hope it doesnt fade out before it reaches the coast.
>> 
>> Jacob
>
>Some of the rainfall figures in southern WA, especially the inland,
>are frighteningly low. The media seem to have discovered Lake Grace,
>and with good reason; they have had only 94.2mm in the (almost)
>11 months since 1/9/2000, about 30% of normal for this period,
>and 236.8mm in the 18 months since 1/2/2000. (The 18-month deciles
>map looks gloomy enough even now; it will look a lot worse at the end
>of the month when the huge unseasonal rains of January 2000 fall out
>of the 18-month totals).
>
>As mentioned a couple of weeks ago, the decline of rainfall in 
>southwest WA is one of the clearest climate change signals in
>Australia (both in observed historical data and as projected by models).
>As such one might expect such events to become an increasingly 
>common occurrence, which isn't something which will please WA's
>farmers (or Perth water users for that matter). I'm not holding my
>breath waiting for the local member, one Wilson Tuckey, to take a 
>lead on the issue :-(
>
>Blair
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From: Blair Trewin <blair at atlas.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Perth Storms - is it possible?
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A bit more on Lake Grace:

The rainfall since 1/9/2000 is, as noted in my last post, 94.2mm,
and since 1/2/2000 236.8mm.

The previous record lows for equivalent periods are:

11 months ending July:		180.8mm (1968-69)
18 months ending July:		350.9mm (1940-41)

They might pick up a bit of rain this weekend, but not that much! 
Assuming that the totals come in at something around 100/250mm
respectively, the previous records will have been demolished by
a margin I can't recall seeing before for a century-long record
over a reasonably large span of months. The equivalent would be
for Melbourne to get under 200mm in a year, or Sydney under 300.

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Hi All.

Am forwarding the emails below from Phil in Hong Kong to the list. Will
forward more as I get them.

Regards,
Carl.

Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:00:37 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>

As above, so below:
I am still unable to load a recent copy of my pages so if you get a
chance, try out my links to see that they work.  Thanks.
I have decided to put in a link explaining JTWC's continued absence and
changed Yutu's position to South China Sea: Approaching Hong Kong.

As Yutu approaches:
I have just come in from being out and about and we have that oppressive
humidity and heat which usually precedes approaching typhoons.  The buses
are air-conned, but the walk from the bus-stop to home has you wringing
wet!  It is also hazy and still - two other signs of approaching typhoons.
HKO is predicting rapid deterioration of the weather later today with the
hoisting of higher signals likely.
Today HKO has issued the Very Hot Weather Warning as well as hoisting
Typhoon Signal 1.
Meanwhile it is very frustrating not to be able to bring up the JTWC map
for Yutu.  You don't realise how often you use some Internet pages until
they are denied you.
Will keep you updated as it begins to arrive.

Phil
<><
International Christian School E-mail: smithp at ics.edu.hk
Doctor Disk Limited (Office) E-mail: phil at drdisk.com.hk
Phone: Hong Kong 2646 4672

Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:41:15 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>

About 13:15 the sun went behind the rapidly approaching clouds.
By 13:30 it was so dark the street lights came on!
The HKO has withdrawn the Very Hot Weather Warning and issued the
Thunderstorm Warning instead.
As I type there have been several Flangs and the thunder is roaring
almost incessantly.  Visibility has dropped to less than 1000 metres but
I don't know yet whether this is due to intensification of the haze or
the arrival of rain - it isn't raining here - at any rate, I can't see
the Baptist University buildings on the other side of the river.
Here's the rain as I keep typing.  It's now 13:36 and at 13:00 the sky
was clear and blue and hazy with the relentless sun cooking everybody.
This rain band has arrived as suddenly as any I can remember.  The palm
trees outside are nodding their heads so the wind is beginning to pick up
also.
At 13:39 visibility is now less than 500 metres - raining steadily.
More flangs - I had better go off line.
More later.

Phil
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From: "Michael Thompson" <michaelt at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Topographic maps on CD
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:45:05 +1000
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Hi Jane

I have the CD that covers Eastern Australia. The maps are good but rather
large in MB. Would suit a high powered laptop more than a desktop.

If you want to see a small snippet from one of the maps go to
 http://ozthunder.com/chase/snowmap.gif

ignore my scribble over the map.

Michael


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Subject: aus-wx: Topographic maps on CD


> Has anyone sampled the 1:250,000 topographic maps covering the whole of
> Australia on 2 CD's just released by AUSLIG?  Looking for feedback.....
>
> Thanks to everyone for doing the email shuffle with me for the last
> couple of days <g>
>
> Jane
>
> PS: nice sunset shots Robert!!!!
> Currently 8.9C at 100m, 6.4C at 500m
>
> --------------------------------
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>
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Hi Jane

The showers steadfastly refused to drift inshore, they just hung around
about 50km out all day. This morning there were some healthy looking Cb's
further down the coast that would have been over land. I think the Batemans
Bay rainfall  indicates this too.

Only about 1mm over the last week, despite the threatening skies here.

Michael



> Morning all,
>
> Very interesting band of showers currently off the NSW coast, with the
area
> of heaviest reflectivity just off Wollongong!!!!  Michael, this could ruin
> your record!!! and it's not drizzle!
>
> Jane
> ---------------------------------------
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>
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Michael,

Cbs offshore know that you live in Wollongong <g>

PS: hows the cb radio going?

Jane

> Hi Jane
>
> The showers steadfastly refused to drift inshore, they just hung
around
> about 50km out all day. This morning there were some healthy looking
Cb's
> further down the coast that would have been over land. I think the
Batemans
> Bay rainfall  indicates this too.
>
> Only about 1mm over the last week, despite the threatening skies here.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> > Morning all,
> >
> > Very interesting band of showers currently off the NSW coast, with
the
> area
> > of heaviest reflectivity just off Wollongong!!!!  Michael, this
could ruin
> > your record!!! and it's not drizzle!
> >
> > Jane
> > ---------------------------------------
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> > cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> >
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> >
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From: "Duncan Treloar" <duncman at octa4.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Fog in Alice Springs
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G'day all
My postings having been getting through for some reason. Anyway, a few weeks
ago thick fog covered Alice Springs for most of the morning. This was
reported by the BOM as being very unusual - a 1 in 10 year event. I
certainly can't remember this occurring in my 4 years of residence here.
Still unusually wet here - it generally never rains here in winter. Just
damn cold at night and mornings. Glad this cold only lasts until mid August.
Cheers,
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Alice Springs.

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Hi all

While procrastinating, I came across today's Moree sounding on the
aviation page:

http://www.bom.gov.au/products/reg/IDS65024/IDS65024.95527.shtml#_bottom
(id: bomw0007, passwd:aviation)

I realise there isn't much in the way of instability (ie poor CAPE), but
just looking at the wind profile, 
40knt from ENE at 975hPa, to 
35knt from N at 750hPa, to 
35knt from WNW at 500hPa, 
would this be good for supercells??  Help me out here.

I'm guessing with today's poor convection that it may have just been
ripped apart by the winds.


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Hi All.

Another email from Phil.

Regards,
Carl.

Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:35:01 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>

YUTU is upgraded to a typhoon and signal 3 has replaced signal 1.

Typhoon signal number three was hoisted at 15:50 this afternoon.
Typhoon YUTU is currently 335 Km South East of here.
We had a very dark and gloomy cloud-band pass over here at about 13:30.
Now the thunder has all gone and the wind has died down and everything is
still and hazy again.
I have to go to Hong Kong Island by bus for a few hours shortly, so I
shall be out there in the thick of it as the storm hits.  I am expecting
to get online again about 23:00 HKT.
It is a nuisance having JTWC down but figuring it out the best I can from
e-mails, it seems the storm will be very close to here at about 07:00 to
08:00 tomorrow morning.
Actually it seems to be staying well South of the track that all agencies
are predicting so it may miss us by miles.  On the other hand it is
exactly SE of here and everyone is predicting NW movement so we might be
in for a good blow.
At the moment it is just "wait and see".

Phil
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From: Anthony Cornelius <cyclone at bigpond.net.au>
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Hi Robert,

I saw this too from uni - I was speculating on driving out to
Gundy/Moree (Gundy received a nice hailstorm last night), and was
seriously tempted by Moree's sounding.  But I'm not sure whether to
believe it - the two soundings are taken 1hr apart, I think two
soundings have been overlayed onto each other, and the shear got mucked
up.  Because at 300mb there was a 220kn jet, increasing to 250kn jet at
220mb!  A little too strong for it to be realistic.  But the low level
shear could have been right...I don't know, I haven't looked at any
analysises.  I think it gets to 45kn just around 925mb somewhere!

To answer your question though, I think if the convection was there
(you'd need fairly good convection in the low levels), that supercells
would be definately on the cards with such a strong low level shear!  On
the sounding the shear backs around 90 degrees or so in the first few
kilometres, at those speeds though they're extremely good IMO!

AC

Robert Goler wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> While procrastinating, I came across today's Moree sounding on the
> aviation page:
> 
> http://www.bom.gov.au/products/reg/IDS65024/IDS65024.95527.shtml#_bottom
> (id: bomw0007, passwd:aviation)
> 
> I realise there isn't much in the way of instability (ie poor CAPE), but
> just looking at the wind profile,
> 40knt from ENE at 975hPa, to
> 35knt from N at 750hPa, to
> 35knt from WNW at 500hPa,
> would this be good for supercells??  Help me out here.
> 
> I'm guessing with today's poor convection that it may have just been
> ripped apart by the winds.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> --
> 
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> 
> Department of Mathematics and Statistics
> Monash University
> Clayton, Vic 3800
> Australia
> 
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From: "evelyn&wayne" <hoyle at austarnet.com.au>
To: "weather" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Subject: aus-wx: off topic-zone alarm,help!!!!!!!!
Date: Fri, 4 Jan 1980 21:05:47 +1000
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>hi folks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>i need some help. i have had zone alarm installed 
in my computer, for a couple of weeks now.have had no problems with it, the odd 
message comes up that someone is trying to access my computer but sitting here 
tonight i have had the same person try to get access into my computer 102 times 
between 7:26.46 and 9:00.02.as i sit here and type this email they still try to 
get in. any ideas on how to find out what is going on or who it is. thanks for 
your help if you have any ideas.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>weather is quite pleasant here in townsville at the 
moment. we even had a shower of rain today. we need it, like everywhere else. 
the town is so dry.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>once again,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>thanks for any help,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>ev</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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From: "Chris Daley" <jindivik at bigpond.com>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: off topic-zone alarm,help!!!!!!!!
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:31:42 +1000
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Evelyn,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I used to have a program like that on my computer, 
very handy to have.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My only advise would be to see if the program you 
are using saves any logs of activity and if it saves the intruders i.p. 
number.&nbsp; If it does, e-mail the log to your ISP and ask them to see if they 
can trace it to it's source.&nbsp; Usually, they are pretty quick at tracking 
them down as it means that this person has one through their system to get to 
your computer.&nbsp; Most ISP's take security breaches like this very 
seriously.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Here in the outer east of Melbourne it is 
b*&amp;^dy cold and foggy.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Chris</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=hoyle at austarnet.com.au 
  href="mailto:hoyle at austarnet.com.au">evelyn&amp;wayne</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">weather</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 04, 1980 9:05 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: off topic-zone 
  alarm,help!!!!!!!!</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>hi folks,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>i need some help. i have had zone alarm installed 
  in my computer, for a couple of weeks now.have had no problems with it, the 
  odd message comes up that someone is trying to access my computer but sitting 
  here tonight i have had the same person try to get access into my computer 102 
  times between 7:26.46 and 9:00.02.as i sit here and type this email they still 
  try to get in. any ideas on how to find out what is going on or who it is. 
  thanks for your help if you have any ideas.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>weather is quite pleasant here in townsville at 
  the moment. we even had a shower of rain today. we need it, like everywhere 
  else. the town is so dry.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>once again,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>thanks for any help,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>regards</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>ev</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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hey,

I'm no genius when it comes to zone alarm but its quite possible you are 
getting pinged from other net programs you have running. and even is someone 
is trying to hack into your pc you sohuldnt be worrying tha much because 
thats why they made zone alarm in the first place... just make sure you keep 
it running all the time!

Well thats my two cents, even though im probably wrong :),
Michael Olsen

>From: "evelyn&wayne" <hoyle at austarnet.com.au>
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To: "weather" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>Subject: aus-wx: off topic-zone alarm,help!!!!!!!!
>Date: Fri, 4 Jan 1980 21:05:47 +1000
>
>hi folks,
>i need some help. i have had zone alarm installed in my computer, for a 
>couple of weeks now.have had no problems with it, the odd message comes up 
>that someone is trying to access my computer but sitting here tonight i 
>have had the same person try to get access into my computer 102 times 
>between 7:26.46 and 9:00.02.as i sit here and type this email they still 
>try to get in. any ideas on how to find out what is going on or who it is. 
>thanks for your help if you have any ideas.
>
>weather is quite pleasant here in townsville at the moment. we even had a 
>shower of rain today. we need it, like everywhere else. the town is so dry.
>
>once again,
>thanks for any help,
>regards
>ev


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From: "Carolyn" <carolyn at netcentral.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: off topic-zone alarm,help!!!!!!!!
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:46:47 +1000
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<DIV>Evelyn,</DIV>
<DIV>you can download a trace route program from the net, somewhere like <A 
href="http://www.cnet.com/download">www.cnet.com/download</A>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
they will give you a rough location or perhaps the isp name of the hits, but 
unfortunately I don't know of any that will give you the exact name.......I too 
have zone alarm and just hide the alerts, so it makes no difference while 
working.&nbsp; I just know my pc is protected from backdoor access.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Carolyn</DIV>
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  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=hoyle at austarnet.com.au 
  href="mailto:hoyle at austarnet.com.au">evelyn&amp;wayne</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=aussie-weather at world.std.com 
  href="mailto:aussie-weather at world.std.com">weather</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 04, 1980 9:05 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> aus-wx: off topic-zone 
  alarm,help!!!!!!!!</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>hi folks,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>i need some help. i have had zone alarm installed 
  in my computer, for a couple of weeks now.have had no problems with it, the 
  odd message comes up that someone is trying to access my computer but sitting 
  here tonight i have had the same person try to get access into my computer 102 
  times between 7:26.46 and 9:00.02.as i sit here and type this email they still 
  try to get in. any ideas on how to find out what is going on or who it is. 
  thanks for your help if you have any ideas.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>weather is quite pleasant here in townsville at 
  the moment. we even had a shower of rain today. we need it, like everywhere 
  else. the town is so dry.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>once again,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>thanks for any help,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>regards</FONT></DIV>
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From: "TJ" <ankh1 at ace-net.com.au>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: off topic-zone alarm,help!!!!!!!!
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:06:54 +1000
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Hey ev,
I have had zone alarm now for quite a while & wouldn't be without it!! I
used to have the same problem with the same computer pinging mine, but I had
hundreds in a night & this went on until I rebooted my system, as I
apparently had a virus in my system & when I rebooted I never had any
problems, till I got another one. But Zone alarm lets you know if its a
susipicious port that is being pinged (trojan), & generally they can't get
thru, there is a website called sygatetech, if you go there they will scan
all your ports to see your vulnerabilities & also you can another firewall
protection system from them. Hope this helps.
Regards,
Tanya

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Sent: Tuesday, 24 July 2001 10:40 PM
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: off topic-zone alarm,help!!!!!!!!


hey,

I'm no genius when it comes to zone alarm but its quite possible you are
getting pinged from other net programs you have running. and even is someone
is trying to hack into your pc you sohuldnt be worrying tha much because
thats why they made zone alarm in the first place... just make sure you keep
it running all the time!

Well thats my two cents, even though im probably wrong :),
Michael Olsen

>From: "evelyn&wayne" <hoyle at austarnet.com.au>
>Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
>To: "weather" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>Subject: aus-wx: off topic-zone alarm,help!!!!!!!!
>Date: Fri, 4 Jan 1980 21:05:47 +1000
>
>hi folks,
>i need some help. i have had zone alarm installed in my computer, for a
>couple of weeks now.have had no problems with it, the odd message comes up
>that someone is trying to access my computer but sitting here tonight i
>have had the same person try to get access into my computer 102 times
>between 7:26.46 and 9:00.02.as i sit here and type this email they still
>try to get in. any ideas on how to find out what is going on or who it is.
>thanks for your help if you have any ideas.
>
>weather is quite pleasant here in townsville at the moment. we even had a
>shower of rain today. we need it, like everywhere else. the town is so dry.
>
>once again,
>thanks for any help,
>regards
>ev


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From: "Sean Brooker" <seanlisa at bigpond.com>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Topographic maps on CD
Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:53:14 -0700
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Jane
Yes I have the AUSLIG 1:250000 cd's.
Very informative.I have the cd's as at 1989 but still very accurate-lots of
small tracks to get to those out of the way places for fishing in the
Pilbara.
I think that they may have updated the cd's to August 2000
A good buy..

Regards
Sean
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
To: "Aussie-wx" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 4:08 AM
Subject: aus-wx: Topographic maps on CD


> Has anyone sampled the 1:250,000 topographic maps covering the whole of
> Australia on 2 CD's just released by AUSLIG?  Looking for feedback.....
>
> Thanks to everyone for doing the email shuffle with me for the last
> couple of days <g>
>
> Jane
>
> PS: nice sunset shots Robert!!!!
> Currently 8.9C at 100m, 6.4C at 500m
>
> --------------------------------
> Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> cadence at stormchasers.au.com
>
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From: tlang at freeway.apana.org.au (Tony Langdon)
Date: 25 Jul 01 00:01:48 +1000
Subject: Re: aus-wx: off topic-zone alarm,help!!!!!!!!
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Hello Carolyn!

24 Jul 01 22:46, you wrote to All:

Talk about weathering storms of a different kind! :-)  (had to keep something
on topic ;) ).

 C> you can download a trace route program from the net, somewhere like =
 C> www.cnet.com/download     they will give you a rough location or
 C> perhaps = the isp name of the hits, but unfortunately I don't know of
 C> any that = will give you the exact name.......I too have zone alarm
 C> and just hide = the alerts, so it makes no difference while working.
 C> I just know my pc = is protected from backdoor access.

No need to download anything.  From a DOS prompt...

tracert  <offending IP address>

tracert comes with Windows.

Anyway, as for the wx - looking like fog developing tonight across Melbourne.
Very misty while travelling around.

Tony, VK3JED

.. life after DOS, but it isn't Windows!
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I grabbed all the sounding data and ran it through Raob.  The BoM
trace winds are a bit off.
If you want to have a look, I have put all the data in
http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~ventus45/AUS/AUSmet/Moree24JUL/ 

PC

Robert Goler wrote:
> 
> Hi all
> 
> While procrastinating, I came across today's Moree sounding on the
> aviation page:
> 
> http://www.bom.gov.au/products/reg/IDS65024/IDS65024.95527.shtml#_bottom
> (id: bomw0007, passwd:aviation)
> 
> I realise there isn't much in the way of instability (ie poor CAPE), but
> just looking at the wind profile,
> 40knt from ENE at 975hPa, to
> 35knt from N at 750hPa, to
> 35knt from WNW at 500hPa,
> would this be good for supercells??  Help me out here.
> 
> I'm guessing with today's poor convection that it may have just been
> ripped apart by the winds.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> --
> 
> Robert A. Goler
> 
> Department of Mathematics and Statistics
> Monash University
> Clayton, Vic 3800
> Australia
> 
> ph. +61 3 9905 4424
> email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au
> http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/
> 
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I think it might be more likely you are suffering from an internal
spyware trojan.
See http://www.weathergraphics.com/text/spyware.htm


TJ wrote:
> 
> Hey ev,
> I have had zone alarm now for quite a while & wouldn't be without it!! I
> used to have the same problem with the same computer pinging mine, but I had
> hundreds in a night & this went on until I rebooted my system, as I
> apparently had a virus in my system & when I rebooted I never had any
> problems, till I got another one. But Zone alarm lets you know if its a
> susipicious port that is being pinged (trojan), & generally they can't get
> thru, there is a website called sygatetech, if you go there they will scan
> all your ports to see your vulnerabilities & also you can another firewall
> protection system from them. Hope this helps.
> Regards,
> Tanya
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com
> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Michael Olsen
> Sent: Tuesday, 24 July 2001 10:40 PM
> To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: off topic-zone alarm,help!!!!!!!!
> 
> hey,
> 
> I'm no genius when it comes to zone alarm but its quite possible you are
> getting pinged from other net programs you have running. and even is someone
> is trying to hack into your pc you sohuldnt be worrying tha much because
> thats why they made zone alarm in the first place... just make sure you keep
> it running all the time!
> 
> Well thats my two cents, even though im probably wrong :),
> Michael Olsen
> 
> >From: "evelyn&wayne" <hoyle at austarnet.com.au>
> >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >To: "weather" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> >Subject: aus-wx: off topic-zone alarm,help!!!!!!!!
> >Date: Fri, 4 Jan 1980 21:05:47 +1000
> >
> >hi folks,
> >i need some help. i have had zone alarm installed in my computer, for a
> >couple of weeks now.have had no problems with it, the odd message comes up
> >that someone is trying to access my computer but sitting here tonight i
> >have had the same person try to get access into my computer 102 times
> >between 7:26.46 and 9:00.02.as i sit here and type this email they still
> >try to get in. any ideas on how to find out what is going on or who it is.
> >thanks for your help if you have any ideas.
> >
> >weather is quite pleasant here in townsville at the moment. we even had a
> >shower of rain today. we need it, like everywhere else. the town is so dry.
> >
> >once again,
> >thanks for any help,
> >regards
> >ev
> 
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Hi All.

The latest update from Phil in Hong Kong is pasted below.

Good to see JTWC is back online!

Links to warnings and satpics for Typhoon Yutu, Typhoon Kong-Rey, Hurricane
Dalila, and weakening Tropical Depression Erick are on my website at
http://users.ace-net.com.au/~carls/current.htm and on Phil's website at
http://www.drdisk.com.hk/cyclones.htm

Regards,
Carl.

Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:09:14 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>

=================
I have commenced a page at http://www.drdisk.com.hk/yutu.htm to possibly
keep up with the storm.
HKO says Signal Eight will probably be hoisted around 1 am.

At 17:00 this afternoon we were hit again by an instantly-appearing rain-
band which again made it so dark the street lights all came on.  This
rainband, like the previous one, had very powerful and intensive display
of incessant lightning with continuous rolling thunder.  No flangs this
time though.  At that time I was walking to the bus depot to catch a bus
to Hong Kong Island.  There was not much wind but the rain came down
incredibly heavily - there was inches of water lying on the roads making
driving hazardous.  The bus left the depot at 17:30 with visibility
almost nil, but in 500 metres we were out of it and there wasn't a drop
falling.

We were then underground for 4 Km and when we emerged on the other side
of the mountains, although the road surface was still awash, the sky was
clearing rapidly and half the sky was already blue.
At 18:00 we alighted from the bus observing that all the storm shutters
were being battened down and boarded a tram.  The tram tracks were still
under water most of the way (they tend to be lower than the road surface)
but the sky was now blue and clear.
From 18:45 until 20:15 I was indoors with no windows.  When I emerged and
was out and about the wind was calm and the sky was mostly clear.  The
roads and tram tracks were dry.  I was indoors elsewhere from 20:40 until
22:00.  By this time the sky was fully clouded over again but it was
still dry and warm and dead calm.
From 23:00 to 23:20 we walked from the bus depot home and it was still
calm with the sky fully overcast.  No sign of lightning or rain.
The HKO Isohyet charts show no rain within the last hour or so anywhere
in HK territory.
So the typhoon is keeping its distance for the moment.
HKO is expecting it to pass about 110 Km South of here at about 08:00
tomorrow.
Will keep you posted.
===============================
Apart from two extremely noisy thunderous rainbands, Yutu has been almost
a non-event so far.
We shall see what happens as the night and morning progress.

Phil
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Hong Kong S.A.R.
People's Republic of China
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Morning all,

Some good rainfalls in NSW overnight (including 15mm at Wollongong!!)
Moruya had 35.8mm & Montague Island with 44.2mm.  There have also been
some reasonable falls associated with the trough down the western side
of the GDR - Forbes 23.2mm, Coonamble 19.4mm.

Interesting also to wake this morning to a NE wind & upon checking the
radar, discovering a band of showers (with an embedded 10-20)in the
Mansfield / Marysville  area moving towards Melbourne.  Wangaratta has
had 3.2mm overnight & Rutherglen 3.6mm. Another patch of showers is out
towards the Bendigo region.  Looks like it could be an interesting day!!

Jane

--------------------------------
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ASWA - Victoria
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From: "Bussie" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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The drought has broken!! 3.4mm overnight here :-)

Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)

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> Steven,
> It does snow in Christchurch, Ben Tichborne would tell you about that.
> 1998 was the only 'snow-free' year in ChCh during the 1990's. In 1992 the
> snow here brought the city to a standstill.

The only snow -free year since I've been here (1994); even in 1998, the city
only just missed out on a snowfall in early August - I think the flow had
tended southeasterly, with Banks Peninsula (which did get snow falling to
sea-level) offering some shelter. But 2000 had no snow in the city - though
there was a reported flurry that year in the hilly section of the seaside
suburb of Sumner, in mid November! (while I was away in 30 C South
Australia)

> Don't forget the storm we had here last October the 12th!
>
> So, despite the fact that the geography of ChCh shelters a lot of weather,
> we do get the occasional bouts of interesting weather.

Yes, usually when the airflow is coming from the south. The alps shelter the
city from the west and northwest - though some may find a strong
northwesterly wind (with its spectacular 'northwest arch' high cloud)
interesting.

Ben
Christchurch
NZ


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We had an extraodinary (ie heavy) shower here in Wollongong at around
midnight which would have accounted for quite a bit of that. It lasted
about 10 minutes.

Andrew.


Jane ONeill wrote:
> 
> Morning all,
> 
> Some good rainfalls in NSW overnight (including 15mm at Wollongong!!)
> Moruya had 35.8mm & Montague Island with 44.2mm.  There have also been
> some reasonable falls associated with the trough down the western side
> of the GDR - Forbes 23.2mm, Coonamble 19.4mm.
> 
> Interesting also to wake this morning to a NE wind & upon checking the
> radar, discovering a band of showers (with an embedded 10-20)in the
> Mansfield / Marysville  area moving towards Melbourne.  Wangaratta has
> had 3.2mm overnight & Rutherglen 3.6mm. Another patch of showers is out
> towards the Bendigo region.  Looks like it could be an interesting day!!
> 
> Jane
> 
> --------------------------------
> Jane ONeill - Melbourne
> cadence at stormchasers.au.com
> 
> Melbourne Storm Chasers
> http://www.stormchasers.au.com
> 
> ASWA - Victoria
> http://www.severeweather.asn.au
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Anyone know how to use / decode the BoM metar and synoptic axf files,
as per
ftp://ftp.bom.gov.au/anon/gen/fwo/IDY03010.200107242300.axf
and
ftp://ftp.bom.gov.au/anon/gen/fwo/IDY03101.200107242300.axf
??????????
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:50:22 +1000 (AEST)
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Hi Robert et al,

Not sure of the details, but this Moree sounding you refered to was in
error - it appears the conversion from m/s to knots was repeated, and
hence all the speeds were doubled. We receive the winds from two sources,
one straight from the pilot and then again with the full sounding, and
the latter were double the former for this sounding. As I was working when
the sounding came in yesterday, it certainly got my attention for a
while!!

Cheers,

Jonty.


On Tue, 24 Jul 2001, Robert Goler wrote:

> 
> Hi all
> 
> While procrastinating, I came across today's Moree sounding on the
> aviation page:
> 
> http://www.bom.gov.au/products/reg/IDS65024/IDS65024.95527.shtml#_bottom
> (id: bomw0007, passwd:aviation)
> 
> I realise there isn't much in the way of instability (ie poor CAPE), but
> just looking at the wind profile, 
> 40knt from ENE at 975hPa, to 
> 35knt from N at 750hPa, to 
> 35knt from WNW at 500hPa, 
> would this be good for supercells??  Help me out here.
> 
> I'm guessing with today's poor convection that it may have just been
> ripped apart by the winds.
> 
> 
> Cheers
> 
> --
> 
> Robert A. Goler        
> 
> Department of Mathematics and Statistics
> Monash University
> Clayton, Vic 3800
> Australia
> 
> ph. +61 3 9905 4424
> email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au
> http://www.maths.monash.edu.au/~robert/
> 
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:49:13 +1000
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<x-flowed>
The question I was asking a couple of weeks ago was - if someone is on ICQ, 
can a trojan on their computer start trying to affect on others who also is 
connected on ICQ and they know they are online. Or are these just false 
attacks because the firewall is so sensitive?

Jimmy Deguara

At 11:06 PM 24/07/01 +1000, you wrote:
>Hey ev,
>I have had zone alarm now for quite a while & wouldn't be without it!! I
>used to have the same problem with the same computer pinging mine, but I had
>hundreds in a night & this went on until I rebooted my system, as I
>apparently had a virus in my system & when I rebooted I never had any
>problems, till I got another one. But Zone alarm lets you know if its a
>susipicious port that is being pinged (trojan), & generally they can't get
>thru, there is a website called sygatetech, if you go there they will scan
>all your ports to see your vulnerabilities & also you can another firewall
>protection system from them. Hope this helps.
>Regards,
>Tanya
>
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>Sent: Tuesday, 24 July 2001 10:40 PM
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>Subject: Re: aus-wx: off topic-zone alarm,help!!!!!!!!
>
>
>hey,
>
>I'm no genius when it comes to zone alarm but its quite possible you are
>getting pinged from other net programs you have running. and even is someone
>is trying to hack into your pc you sohuldnt be worrying tha much because
>thats why they made zone alarm in the first place... just make sure you keep
>it running all the time!
>
>Well thats my two cents, even though im probably wrong :),
>Michael Olsen
>
> >From: "evelyn&wayne" <hoyle at austarnet.com.au>
> >Reply-To: aussie-weather at world.std.com
> >To: "weather" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> >Subject: aus-wx: off topic-zone alarm,help!!!!!!!!
> >Date: Fri, 4 Jan 1980 21:05:47 +1000
> >
> >hi folks,
> >i need some help. i have had zone alarm installed in my computer, for a
> >couple of weeks now.have had no problems with it, the odd message comes up
> >that someone is trying to access my computer but sitting here tonight i
> >have had the same person try to get access into my computer 102 times
> >between 7:26.46 and 9:00.02.as i sit here and type this email they still
> >try to get in. any ideas on how to find out what is going on or who it is.
> >thanks for your help if you have any ideas.
> >
> >weather is quite pleasant here in townsville at the moment. we even had a
> >shower of rain today. we need it, like everywhere else. the town is so dry.
> >
> >once again,
> >thanks for any help,
> >regards
> >ev
>
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:42:43 +1000
From: David Carroll <davidkc at hotkey.net.au>
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hi all.. 

Sorry for the off topic..  With all the security precautions been
taken at the time in regards to PC's. I just received an email from
the above email address. I know of no one with such an email address
and it contained an attachment. 

After hearing on news of possible troubles with Bigpond users, decided
to delete email immed.  

Has anyone else received email from this above user.. 

Please email me off list. 

Thanks 

Dave
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From: "Dean McWhinney" <mcwhinneyd at optushome.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Water spout Northern beaches 
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:32:44 +1000
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Well well well i thought i saw SOME feauterous clouds at dee why today and
low and behold a waterspout the footage was Exellent on channel 7 news jimmy
got it on tape so ask him for a look if u missed it :)
Cya

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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:36:46 +1000
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Fog in Alice Springs
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Hello,

Happen to get any photos of the fog in the Springs?

Sel Kerans


At 18:40 24/07/01 +0930, you wrote:
>G'day all
>My postings having been getting through for some reason. Anyway, a few weeks
>ago thick fog covered Alice Springs for most of the morning. This was
>reported by the BOM as being very unusual - a 1 in 10 year event. I
>certainly can't remember this occurring in my 4 years of residence here.
>Still unusually wet here - it generally never rains here in winter. Just
>damn cold at night and mornings. Glad this cold only lasts until mid August.
>Cheers,
>Duncan
>Alice Springs.
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From: "Andrew Godsman" <g-man1 at bigpond.com>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Water spout Northern beaches 
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:32:35 +1000
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Good footage shown on the news, but they used the M-word to describe the
process for waterspouts being different to land tornados. GGGggrrrrrr!!

On a diffrent note we have had some nice steady rain and intermittant heavy
falls in Wollongong since 5pm. It started with one thunderous rumble then
the heavy clouds moved in. Waterways are quite swollen and we could be in
for some pretty decent totals along the escarpment if this trend continues
through the night.

Hopefully some of this rain is falling in the areas which need it,
especially if the forecast for rain across Vic and inland NSW comes off.

Cheers
Andrew Godsman
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: aus-wx: Water spout Northern beaches


> Well well well i thought i saw SOME feauterous clouds at dee why today and
> low and behold a waterspout the footage was Exellent on channel 7 news
jimmy
> got it on tape so ask him for a look if u missed it :)
> Cya
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From: dencot1 at aol.com
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:12:23 EDT
Subject: Re: aus-wx: off topic-zone alarm,help!!!!!!!!
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We Had zone alarm installed a while ago but had to get rid of it because no 
matter how much we tried to fix it, it wouldn't let us access any site on the 
net-at all!
      evan and Dennis cottle
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From: "Duncan Treloar" <duncman at octa4.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Topographic maps on CD
Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:16:39 +0930
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G'day Jane,
I use the AUSLIG topo maps as a background to many of my maps in my GIS
work. They are very good, esp. for the price - about $100 for all of
Australia. They are simply topo maps scanned onto a cd. If you plan to
overlay any data over them, you'll have to remember that the maps are in two
datums: some are in AGD 66, while newer versions are in GDA 94. There is
about a 190 metre shift to the Northeast between each datum. It tells you on
each mapsheet what the datum is. Also, as they are simply scanned in
mapsheets, if you have other data you want to place on top, the mapsheets
are not spatially correct, so you'll get incorrect results. Unless they are
'georectified' (GIS techo talk) to certain GPS points, it is best to use
these maps only as a guide by themselves. For this purpose, they are great
value and very clear.
Cheers,
Duncan Treloar
Aliec Springs

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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Water spout Northern beaches 
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Here is a sample:

http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/media/20010725sydney1.jpg

http://australiasevereweather.com/storm_news/media/20010725sydney2.jpg

regards, Michael



At 06:32 PM 25/7/2001 +1000, you wrote:
>Well well well i thought i saw SOME feauterous clouds at dee why today and
>low and behold a waterspout the footage was Exellent on channel 7 news jimmy
>got it on tape so ask him for a look if u missed it :)
>Cya
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From: "Simon Angell" <simon at winnet.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Water spout Northern beaches 
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I also seen the footage on seven nightly news after my sister said "quick,
look ther was a tornado in sydney". i quickly looked and out splerted "mini
tornado" from weather man and what did i see..a WATERSPOUT. still good
footage though and i suppose just as exciting if you were there!. I just
wish news presenters/weather presenters would do little research on weather
events especially seeing as that dont happen everyday in such a prime
location...

Simon Angell
Canberra ACT
currently very wet although there is only a drizzle and an extremly HOT
8.9*c
p.s only 1mm recorded since 9am at canberra AWS and 8.9 at tuggernong, i
suspect my area would has had 5mm at least...

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Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Water spout Northern beaches


> Good footage shown on the news, but they used the M-word to describe the
> process for waterspouts being different to land tornados. GGGggrrrrrr!!
>
> On a diffrent note we have had some nice steady rain and intermittant
heavy
> falls in Wollongong since 5pm. It started with one thunderous rumble then
> the heavy clouds moved in. Waterways are quite swollen and we could be in
> for some pretty decent totals along the escarpment if this trend continues
> through the night.
>
> Hopefully some of this rain is falling in the areas which need it,
> especially if the forecast for rain across Vic and inland NSW comes off.
>
> Cheers
> Andrew Godsman
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dean McWhinney" <mcwhinneyd at optushome.com.au>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 6:32 PM
> Subject: aus-wx: Water spout Northern beaches
>
>
> > Well well well i thought i saw SOME feauterous clouds at dee why today
and
> > low and behold a waterspout the footage was Exellent on channel 7 news
> jimmy
> > got it on tape so ask him for a look if u missed it :)
> > Cya
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:22:29 +1000
From: Don White <donwhite at ozemail.com.au>
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Jervis Bay also reported weater spout out to sea at 1515 hrs.
.. and before we get our knickers in a knot about the use of the word 
"mini" it must be considered that communication is what we should be 
requiring from our media  and to the general public, mini tornado 
communicates a vision to most people - and let's be honest, it is pretty 
close to a small, weak tornado... We could send more time worrying about 
more significant inaccuracies.
Cheers,
Don White

Simon Angell wrote:

> I also seen the footage on seven nightly news after my sister said "quick,
> look ther was a tornado in sydney". i quickly looked and out splerted "mini
> tornado" from weather man and what did i see..a WATERSPOUT. still good
> footage though and i suppose just as exciting if you were there!. I just
> wish news presenters/weather presenters would do little research on weather
> events especially seeing as that dont happen everyday in such a prime
> location...
> 
> Simon Angell
> Canberra ACT
> currently very wet although there is only a drizzle and an extremly HOT
> 8.9*c
> p.s only 1mm recorded since 9am at canberra AWS and 8.9 at tuggernong, i
> suspect my area would has had 5mm at least...
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Godsman" <g-man1 at bigpond.com>
> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 8:32 PM
> Subject: Re: aus-wx: Water spout Northern beaches
> 
> 
> 
>> Good footage shown on the news, but they used the M-word to describe the
>> process for waterspouts being different to land tornados. GGGggrrrrrr!!
>> 
>> On a diffrent note we have had some nice steady rain and intermittant
> 
> heavy
> 
>> falls in Wollongong since 5pm. It started with one thunderous rumble then
>> the heavy clouds moved in. Waterways are quite swollen and we could be in
>> for some pretty decent totals along the escarpment if this trend continues
>> through the night.
>> 
>> Hopefully some of this rain is falling in the areas which need it,
>> especially if the forecast for rain across Vic and inland NSW comes off.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Andrew Godsman
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dean McWhinney" <mcwhinneyd at optushome.com.au>
>> To: <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 6:32 PM
>> Subject: aus-wx: Water spout Northern beaches
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Well well well i thought i saw SOME feauterous clouds at dee why today
>> 
> and
> 
>>> low and behold a waterspout the footage was Exellent on channel 7 news
>> 
>> jimmy
>> 
>>> got it on tape so ask him for a look if u missed it :)
>>> Cya
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From: "Dean McWhinney" <mcwhinneyd at optushome.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: 30-40 knots???..
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:05:04 +1000
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Bom has not got a gale warning out only a strong wind warning yet there
outlook goes for 30-40 knots whats going on ??
PS do u guys think it will get that high??


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Hey all

Hows things? Well yesterday avo  at  around 3:30pm we had a nice Single Cell Cb 
drop it's load on us :) although my guage only picked up .75mm, the storm 
went through the middle part of wenduree and caught the edge of Alfredton 
and died over delacombe. I took many pics, so fingered crossed they'll turn 
out. although there was no lightning or thunder.

Has anyone got the sat pic from then or at around that time or near? Also 
the radar pic would be nice I reckon it got to atleast 10 to 20 (yellow) 
perhaps green.

Today the stratus blanket is starting to lift, who knows more turkeys could 
be here this avo, once again fingers crossed

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From: Blair Trewin <blair at atlas.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: aus-wx: Wide area of rainfall across NSW
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Noticed that, of the 70-odd stations on the NSW AWS page, only
13 have not recorded any rain in the 5 hours 0900-1400, mostly in
the inland south and west of the state. Not often you see such 
uniformity over a wide area.

None of the falls have been especially heavy (10mm is about tops).

Blair
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Subject: aus-wx: Typhoon Yutu - Hong Kong - updates from Phil.
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Hi All.

I've been a little busy, but here is the final set of installments on
typhoon Yutu's passage past Hong Kong from Phil.

Troppo watchers - note that there is a new TD (11W) in the Philippine Sea.

Regards,
Carl.

Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:28:06 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>

At 00:30 this morning I heard the patter of steady rain but no wind.  HKO
hoisted Typhoon Signal 8 at 00:30.
Now at 06:25 it is raining steadily but not heavily although there have
been breaks in the rain.
Winds are still pretty light here, but remember that our valley is very
sheltered.
Typhoon Yutu is currently centred 190 Km South of us with 150 km/h winds
near its centre.  It will be at its closest approach to Hong Kong within
the next half hour or so.
Typically, the strongest winds will arrive after it has passed us and is
moving away.
At this present moment though, the passage of Yutu is almost a non-event.
Even the sea level appears to be not any measurable amount above normal,
so I don't think there is much risk of flooding.
More later.
Phil
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:17:18 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>

Although Typhoon Signal No 8 was still hoisted, the wind seemed slight
and the rain stopped about 08:30 so away I went down to the river bank.
I noticed that the sea level was about 40 cm above normal high tide (and
it was theoretically still low tide!  Waves of about 20 cm in height were
coming from the North East.
I walked a couple of kilometres South West along the river and heard
before I felt a noise approaching from behind.  I turned around and saw
much taller waves with white crests and by 08:55 the wind was approaching
gale force.  A large tree fell near Tsang Daaih Uk and I noticed one boat
sunk in the river.  However it looked as though the sinking was probably
not typhoon-related.
Several larger boats were using the river as a typhoon shelter.
I observed that the steel box framed sign at the Ecclesia Bible College
had blown over to a weird angle but not completely down.
At 09:00 the rain came and a brolly was needed.
Walking back to the North East I had the wind (and rain) in my face.  I
took shelter five or six times under bridges and shelter sheds when the
rain got really bad.
While sheltering I observed that while the wind was generally from the
North East there were also several significant gusts from the South
East.  I wondered whether this indicates it is nearly time for HKO to
hoist the South East Gales signal, but the wind then became a steady NE-
er again.
By the time I had got nearly home the waves on the river were about 45 cm
and were breaking over the footpath.  The river height was now about 75
cm above normal high tide.  I decided on safety and travelled home via
the covered overbridge and through the underground car-parks, as the wind
and rain had become pretty savage.  I entered home around 09:45.
Now as I type conditions are far more typical of a number eight signal.
The wind is gusting and howling around the building and the rain is
pelting against the windows.  I'm glad to be inside and glad we live in
such a sheltered valley.

Phil
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:16:37 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>

There is little new to report on Yutu at this stage.  It is just a
dreary, drizzly, wet day here.
A few times we have heard the wind start to howl and looked out to see
the trees thrashing about, but we still haven't had any *REAL* wind from
this one.  Some areas of HK obviously had a little more: a quote from the
HKO:
DURING THE PAST HOUR, MEAN WIND SPEED WAS 67 KILOMETRES PER HOUR
AT CHEUNG CHAU WITH GUST REACHING 87 KILOMETRES PER HOUR. AT SHEK
KWU CHAU, MEAN WIND OF 72 KILOMETRES PER HOUR AND GUST OF 93
KILOMETRES PER HOUR WERE RECORDED.

There have been no injuries or damage reported so far in HK.  All the TV
news can find for their Typhoon Special reports is a few overturned
rubbish bins!

More later if we get any real news.
Signal Eight is still hoisted and likely to remain so for a few hours yet.

Phil
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Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:45:50 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>
Subject: Re: HK Shutdown

Yes, the Number Eight Typhoon Signal means all schools, businesses, the
Stock Exchange etc. are closed and everybody except people with special
duties during typhoons is supposed to stay indoors at home.
You can check http://www.drdisk.com.hk/yutu.htm for details of the storm
during the day.
In fact lots of people enjoy the extra holiday from work by having
typhoon parties at the supposedly closed restaurants whose back entrances
are very well known.
Read my report on typhoon York in 1999 at
http://www.drdisk.com.hk/york.htm for a report of how we then got to one
of those parties.
There's been no *REAL* wind today, lots of rain, but overall the whole
visit of Yutu has been a bit of a non-event.

Phil
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 05:58:31 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>

I haven't sent an update on Yutu for many hours as there has been nothing
to write.
The TV news has only managed a few shots of upturned rubbish bins and
umbrellas blowing inside-out.  Macau copped it a lot worse than we did as
the TV news showed footage of major flooding.
But for Hong Kong one could say that everybody had a holiday off work for
what was essentially a non-event.
At this moment as I type Typhoon Signal Three is still hoisted, HKO
having replaced Signal Eight with it at 19:40 last night.  But as signal
3 means all schools are closed, I should imagine it will be lowered
within the hour as there is really no need for it any more.
During the evening and night we heard no more howling winds and even the
rain has been frequent but quiet - not pelting down like it did yesterday
morning.  The sea level looks to be about normal.
The 10-minute average wind speed recorded at Sha Tin AWS reached 20 km/h
at about 02:30 this morning, but if it made any noise then, I slept
through it!
The typhoon is already overland and more than 340 Km away from here and
travelling directly away from us, so I will be surprised if we get any
more real winds from it.  It will probably just rain for the next two
days.
Unless something happens during my walk shortly, this will probably be my
last report.

Phil
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Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:08:34 +0800
From: "Phil Smith" <SmithP at ics.edu.hk>

I went out for a walk this morning, leaving the flat at 06:20.  I had
made one last check on the Internet and seen that Typhoon Signal Three
was still hoisted at 06:14.
The first thing I noticed at 06:20 was that I looked at the Typhoon
Signal and observed that it had been lowered.
Arriving at the river bank, I found the sea level to be fully two metres
below where it had been at yesterday's walk.
While the surface of the river was not quite like a mirror, the splashes
of jumping fish suggested a reason for the small ripples that were
evident.
The wind was no more than a light breeze, barely able to stir a leaf.
The ground was covered with the usual post-typhoon debris: millions of
leaves and a few small twigs.
The boats were still using the river as a typhoon shelter, although they
each appeared in the words of the poet as "like a painted ship upon a
painted ocean" each atop its own inverted reflection.
I observed a medium sized tree in the middle of the river near Sand
Martin Bridge and observed that one more medium-sized tree had been blown
down at the top of the levee bank near Lion Rock Tunnel Road.
Apart from these there was no evidence that there had been a typhoon.
This will be the last report unless we receive damage reports from where
it went ashore in Southern China this morning.


Phil
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<P>Simon et al</P>
<P>For 9am 25/7 - 9am 26/7, about18m Tidbinbilla, about the same Tuggeranong, 8 mm at the airport, while I got 30 mm at Duffy, including about 25 mm in a downpour between 5.30pm and 6.30 pm.&nbsp; Very localised.&nbsp; Don't know whether you saw the cloud that dropped it, but it had a base of about 200 metres and for benign Canberra in winter, quite an impressive sight.&nbsp; First really heavy period of rain I've had since March.</P>
<P>Michael<BR><BR></P></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;From: "Simon Angell" <SIMON at WINNET.COM.AU>
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<DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:45:11 +1000 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;I also seen the footage on seven nightly news after my sister said "quick, 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;look ther was a tornado in sydney". i quickly looked and out splerted "mini 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;tornado" from weather man and what did i see..a WATERSPOUT. still good 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;footage though and i suppose just as exciting if you were there!. I just 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;wish news presenters/weather presenters would do little research on weather 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;events especially seeing as that dont happen everyday in such a prime 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;location... 
<DIV></DIV>&gt; 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Simon Angell 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Canberra ACT 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;currently very wet although there is only a drizzle and an extremly HOT 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;8.9*c 
<DIV></DIV>&gt;p.s only 1mm recorded since 9am at canberra AWS and 8.9 at tuggernong, i 
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: John Moore
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On the Today show this morning was John Moore from NE Victoria. He
states on his website that using "the influence of the Solar System, El
Nino, La Nina and other ocean currents, he has produced a system which
forecasts future weather conditions with uncanny accuracy."

http://www.mooreslrweather.com.au

Does anyone know of him or his forecasts?

Jane
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From: "Patrick Tobin" <patricktobin at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: John Moore
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Hi Jane,

There has been a fairly extensive discussion (not particularly
complimentary) on the Sno-info discussion site. I suspect that he's not far
off being reported to the ACCC for claiming his forecasts are 80+ACU- accurate
when a statistical analysis of his prediction for this season came closer to
5+ACU-.

http://forum.ski.com.au/scripts/ultimatebboard/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb+AD0-get+AF8-topic+ACY-
f+AD0-7+ACY-t+AD0-003351

Patrick

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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: John Moore
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:35:10 +1000
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Hello Jane.
I managed to see the interview this morning and Mr Moore indicated that
there would good snowfalls over the snow resorts from the second week of
August through to the end of September!2001, I do like the 'uncanny
accuracy' bit though, regards Clyve Herbert.
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> On the Today show this morning was John Moore from NE Victoria. He
> states on his website that using "the influence of the Solar System, El
> Nino, La Nina and other ocean currents, he has produced a system which
> forecasts future weather conditions with uncanny accuracy."
>
> http://www.mooreslrweather.com.au
>
> Does anyone know of him or his forecasts?
>
> Jane
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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Clear slot.and WA potential.
Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 21:31:54 +1000
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Hi all.
An interesting clear slot separating two weather systems over Victoria at
the moment, it will be interesting to see if there is any merging over the
next 6 to 12 hours,also WA is looking better for potential rainfall over the
next several days especially over the southwest corner it would be good for
them if the present moisture plume extending from the tropics interacts with
the approaching long wave  trough and developing low pressure system.
regards Clyve Herbert.

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Quite a warm day in Perth for July yesterday (Thursday), it got to 24.8C
(July record is 26.3C), after a cold overnight low of 4.6C, thats a diurnal
range of 20.2C, not sure if thats a July record, but it must be close to it.

This comes almost a month after breaking the June diurnal record when we
had a min of 2.1C and a max of 24.2C on the 28th June.

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From: "Duncan Treloar" <duncman at octa4.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Photos about Fog In Alice
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Sel,
There was a colour photo on the front cover of the 'Centralian Advocate' the
local paper here, on Friday July 13th (the paper comes out twice a week on
Tues and Fri). I haven't got a scanner handy, so I can't post the photo. The
picture is actually taken by a local photographer (Steve Strike) who climbed
the 900 metre plus Mt Gillen which overlooks the Alice Springs valley, and
took the photo with the ridge of the range rising above the fog. Very
impressive shot. This guy also took the photo of Ayers Rock in the Wet in
February last year, which was on the cover of 'The Australian' and most
major newspapers at the time. Anyway, if you want to get a copy, (black and
white), you can get hold of the Alice Springs Library and ask for the Local
Historian, Mandy at
mtreloar at astc.nt.gov.au and she'll organise a copy to be sent out.
And yes, she is related - she's my wife. Or you can check out Steve Strike's
web page at
http://www.photoz.com.au/
and although the fog photo is up yet, he may get around to it some time.

Cheers,
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Hey all

Somewhat unexpected drizzly showers in Adelaide this morning as this little
'laid back' front passes though, 2mm in the gauge.  Gloomy, humid and cool.
No wind [as usual this winter].  At least there's some interesting changes
to the MSL level chart this morning to contemplate....

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Hey People

Well yet another day in a row of gloomy yuck drizzly weather, at the moment 
it's drizzly and foggy. Rather Cool with no wind to speak of.

Big game of footy on tonight I hope the Tigers win.

Cheers,
Ava good weekend
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi micheal.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As i was sitting waiting for a bus at around 
5:00</FONT>-5:30 i did notice a very dark looking cloud structure&nbsp;to my 
south which would put it around the duffy/stromlo settlement&nbsp;area, i even 
noted to an old lady "looks like were in for a bit of rain" as it appeared to be 
heading in a northerly direction. how ever it did not reach us and i think 
it&nbsp;moved in a south westerliy direction. As i said at the end of my email, 
i suspected west canberra had recieved at least 5mm but because there is no BOM 
weather station around here (only holt, which isn't real reliable and doesnt get 
included in hourly obs.)&nbsp;i guesstimated the value from the current obs page 
at WZone where it said canberra from 9am had 1mm (which seemed quite low) and 
tuggernong 8.9mm but this was to either 23:00 or maybe 24:00 im not sure, 
probably the&nbsp;24:00 obs. Ah its good to see the rain anyway<FONT face=Arial 
size=2>&nbsp;its not like we&nbsp;didn't need it!!!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Simon Angell</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>current temp 8.5*c or 8.5*c from Wzone. that 
doesn't </FONT>happen very often</DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 26, 2001 5:38 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: aus-wx: Water spout Northern 
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  <P>Simon et al</P>
  <P>For 9am 25/7 - 9am 26/7, about18m Tidbinbilla, about the same Tuggeranong, 
  8 mm at the airport, while I got 30 mm at Duffy, including about 25 mm in a 
  downpour between 5.30pm and 6.30 pm.&nbsp; Very localised.&nbsp; Don't know 
  whether you saw the cloud that dropped it, but it had a base of about 200 
  metres and for benign Canberra in winter, quite an impressive sight.&nbsp; 
  First really heavy period of rain I've had since March.</P>
  <P>Michael<BR><BR></P></DIV>
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  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:45:11 +1000 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;I also seen the footage on seven nightly news after my sister 
  said "quick, 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;look ther was a tornado in sydney". i quickly looked and out 
  splerted "mini 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;tornado" from weather man and what did i see..a WATERSPOUT. 
  still good 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;footage though and i suppose just as exciting if you were 
  there!. I just 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;wish news presenters/weather presenters would do little 
  research on weather 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;events especially seeing as that dont happen everyday in such a 
  prime 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;location... 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt; 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Simon Angell 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;Canberra ACT 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;currently very wet although there is only a drizzle and an 
  extremly HOT 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;8.9*c 
  <DIV></DIV>&gt;p.s only 1mm recorded since 9am at canberra AWS and 8.9 at 
  tuggernong, i 
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From: Blair Trewin <blair at atlas.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: Wide area of rainfall across NSW
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> 
> Noticed that, of the 70-odd stations on the NSW AWS page, only
> 13 have not recorded any rain in the 5 hours 0900-1400, mostly in
> the inland south and west of the state. Not often you see such 
> uniformity over a wide area.
> 
In the end only 5 AWSs failed to report rain (Broken Hill, Griffith
Airport, Hay, Crackenback and Tibooburra) for the 24 hours to 0900.

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From: Blair Trewin <blair at atlas.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: Re: aus-wx: large diurnal range in Perth
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> 
> Quite a warm day in Perth for July yesterday (Thursday), it got to 24.8C
> (July record is 26.3C), after a cold overnight low of 4.6C, thats a diurnal
> range of 20.2C, not sure if thats a July record, but it must be close to it.
> 
> This comes almost a month after breaking the June diurnal record when we
> had a min of 2.1C and a max of 24.2C on the 28th June.
> 
> Jacob

I haven't checked Perth Metro (which has too short a record for
such comparisons to be meaningful), but Perth Airport's diurnal
range of 19.1 (24.7/5.6) was a July record (previous 18.5 on 
31/7/1982).

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     Hey all,
        Constant 'heavy' drizzle all day in Sydney, with a few quite heavy 
falls thrown in coming home from Marrickville this afternoon in the truck,, 
very dicey on the roads :).. now it looks good in the Hunter with cells 
taking off and into the red vicinity at last check over Cessnock,,
p.s just for fun i bought a 3$ raingauge from the Reject shop whilst 
birthday shopping for my dad (nothing but the best for him!), and yesterday 
my conventional rain guage measuring 19mm, reject shop version total, 35mm!  
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Hi All,
yes the Cessnock area had it all this afternoon!!!  Dark clouds had been
buildingall day, and I thought I got out of it, but at about 3.20pm it
started.  Just before the end of my last class and no covered walkway from
my class to the staff room!!!  Guess who got soaked to the skin!

At Kurri Kurri it just poured but there was a little thunder, and on the way
back to Cessnock there was some lightning as well.  When I got back there
were reports of hail in the town, but none at Nulkaba or Kurri Way.  I know
my power went off for a bit as well.

So it a really interesting time here, and there is more to come!!!
Carolyn
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>      Hey all,
>         Constant 'heavy' drizzle all day in Sydney, with a few quite heavy
> falls thrown in coming home from Marrickville this afternoon in the
truck,,
> very dicey on the roads :).. now it looks good in the Hunter with cells
> taking off and into the red vicinity at last check over Cessnock,,
> p.s just for fun i bought a 3$ raingauge from the Reject shop whilst
> birthday shopping for my dad (nothing but the best for him!), and
yesterday
> my conventional rain guage measuring 19mm, reject shop version total,
35mm!
>          Cheers, Rune
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From: "Bussie" <bussie at netc.net.au>
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Just looked at the satpic for Vic and the thin cloud line stretching Nth to
Sth was clearly visible early this arvo here. I was up around Albury and
Ettamogah all day and after the fog lifted (about 11) it was a pearler of a
day here. Very, very light rain here at 5.30pm
Bussie (Rutherglen NE Victoria)

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From: "Mark Dwyer" <mjd at iinet.net.au>
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Subject: aus-wx: Perth Wx, 80 Km/h Winds already
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well after a calm start to the day it is now 
raining ( has been since about mid-day ), but the wind is really picking up 
also. That low must be starting to get it's act together finally. On another 
note there hasn't been one single Winter Coldie reported this season so far 
either, due to the lack of real winter front's so far. Maybe the first one will 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rotto is having a windy time of it at present :-), 
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    <TH vAlign=top rowSpan=2>Date Time<BR>(AWST)</TH>
    <TH vAlign=top rowSpan=2>Temp<BR>(deg&nbsp;C)</TH>
    <TH vAlign=top rowSpan=2>Dew point<BR>(deg&nbsp;C)</TH>
    <TH vAlign=top rowSpan=2>Rel Hum<BR>(%)</TH>
    <TH vAlign=top rowSpan=2>Wind dir</TH>
    <TH vAlign=top colSpan=2>Wind speed</TH>
    <TH vAlign=top colSpan=2>Wind gust</TH>
    <TH vAlign=top rowSpan=2>Press<BR>(hPa)</TH>
    <TH vAlign=top rowSpan=2>Rain since 9am<BR>(mm)</TH></TR>
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    <TH vAlign=top>(km/h)</TH>
    <TH vAlign=top>(knots)</TH>
    <TH vAlign=top>(km/h)</TH>
    <TH vAlign=top>(knots)</TH></TR>
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    <TD noWrap align=left>BICKLEY</TD>
    <TD noWrap align=middle>27 16:00</TD>
    <TD align=middle>10.4</TD>
    <TD align=middle>8.2</TD>
    <TD align=middle>86</TD>
    <TD align=middle>NNE</TD>
    <TD align=middle>17</TD>
    <TD align=middle>9</TD>
    <TD align=middle>24</TD>
    <TD align=middle>13</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>1.4</TD></TR>
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    <TD noWrap align=middle>27 16:09</TD>
    <TD align=middle>13.1</TD>
    <TD align=middle>9.2</TD>
    <TD align=middle>77</TD>
    <TD align=middle>NNE</TD>
    <TD align=middle>22</TD>
    <TD align=middle>12</TD>
    <TD align=middle>24</TD>
    <TD align=middle>13</TD>
    <TD align=middle>1012.4</TD>
    <TD align=middle>1.2</TD></TR>
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    <TD noWrap align=middle>27 16:00</TD>
    <TD align=middle>13.0</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>NE</TD>
    <TD align=middle>18</TD>
    <TD align=middle>10</TD>
    <TD align=middle>33</TD>
    <TD align=middle>18</TD>
    <TD align=middle>1010.8</TD>
    <TD align=middle>0.0</TD></TR>
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    <TD noWrap align=middle>27 16:10</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>NNE</TD>
    <TD align=middle>34</TD>
    <TD align=middle>18</TD>
    <TD align=middle>44</TD>
    <TD align=middle>24</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD></TR>
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    <TD noWrap align=middle>27 16:10</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>NNE</TD>
    <TD align=middle>22</TD>
    <TD align=middle>12</TD>
    <TD align=middle>30</TD>
    <TD align=middle>16</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD></TR>
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    <TD noWrap align=middle>27 16:09</TD>
    <TD align=middle>14.6</TD>
    <TD align=middle>7.1</TD>
    <TD align=middle>60</TD>
    <TD align=middle>NNE</TD>
    <TD align=middle>12</TD>
    <TD align=middle>6</TD>
    <TD align=middle>17</TD>
    <TD align=middle>9</TD>
    <TD align=middle>1012.8</TD>
    <TD align=middle>0.6</TD></TR>
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    <TD noWrap align=middle>27 16:10</TD>
    <TD align=middle>13.5</TD>
    <TD align=middle>8.0</TD>
    <TD align=middle>69</TD>
    <TD align=middle>NNE</TD>
    <TD align=middle>24</TD>
    <TD align=middle>13</TD>
    <TD align=middle>35</TD>
    <TD align=middle>19</TD>
    <TD align=middle>1012.4</TD>
    <TD align=middle>1.2</TD></TR>
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    <TD align=middle>15.2</TD>
    <TD align=middle>9.1</TD>
    <TD align=middle>68</TD>
    <TD align=middle>NNE</TD>
    <TD align=middle>60</TD>
    <TD align=middle>32</TD>
    <TD align=middle>81</TD>
    <TD align=middle>44</TD>
    <TD align=middle>1009.0</TD>
    <TD align=middle>0.8</TD></TR>
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    <TD noWrap align=middle>27 16:10</TD>
    <TD align=middle>12.9</TD>
    <TD align=middle>9.4</TD>
    <TD align=middle>79</TD>
    <TD align=middle>NNE</TD>
    <TD align=middle>35</TD>
    <TD align=middle>19</TD>
    <TD align=middle>48</TD>
    <TD align=middle>26</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
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Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 22:55:12 +1000
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Just a quick message to let every everybody know that Coffs Harbour had a
mild storm this afternoon.

The interesting thing was that we had some small rice sized hail and the
temperature dropped dramatically over about 15 minutes. Probably about 5c.

It did feel more but the temperature gauge said 14.8C. We had about a dozen
claps of thunder and lightening and light hail of about rice size.

The storm seemed to come form the north east and return back the same way.
(The usual trajectory is from the sw to the NE) The interesting thing was
that it totally fogged my car which was sitting outside.

And of course it rained! Id just hung the washing out being 1 of about 1m
aussies that work from home, id put the washing out after two days of
scattered showers and a clearing appearance and an hour later this storm
seems to develop out of nowhere and rain on it. The wife's comment - an
extra rinse cycle!

Ian Isles

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From: "Lyle Pakula" <lyle at atmos.colostate.edu>
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Subject: aus-wx: US Chase
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Hi all,

well i know you all are in winter and probably getting a little SDS so
here's a little rundown of yesterdays chase in eastern Colorado.

We headed out around 1pm with dew points getting into the 70's (extremly
rare in CO i'm told), forecast surface max in winds was forecast to feed a
denisty boundary running 200 miles across CO. Upper level divergence looked
good but low-level shear marginal for tornados.

As we drove through Denver to head east, towers were popping up along the
boundary as far as the eye could see with mature development already
ocurring further north. We knew is was going linear MCS and wanted to get on
the other side where we thought the wind profiles and dew points were
optimum for our best chance at a vortex sighting. As we got phone
confirmation of 60dBz echoes we decided not to punch through, plus we could
see atelast 3 hail swaths around us. Lucky we made that phone call becase a
few minutes later a tornado was spotted on the ground no more than 2 miles
away, across the precip curtain. We were pretty dissapointed because, had we
left even half an hour earlier we would have been in position. Of course, it
was luck that one dropped down there and maybe if we had left earlier it
would have droped near Colorado Springs or something. The tornado was
reported to be on the ground for 15 minutes. No classification as yet.

All in all, not a very succesfull chase, not much structure to be seen but
the closest i've come so far to a tornado, maybe next time ;) Did get to
play with my new camera though. The climatoligical secondary max in severe
weather over Colorado starts in August, here's hoping.

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From: "Laurier Williams" <wbc at ozemail.com.au>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Topographic maps on CD
Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 21:20:38 +1000
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Yes, they have updated them to 31/8/2000. A couple of questions that I can't
find answers to on the AUSLIG site:

How much are they?

How good is the gazeteer index? If it covers all names on the standard
1:250,000 sheets, it would be a boon for finding those out-of-the-way
rainfall stations!

Laurier


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> [mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of Sean Brooker
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>
>
> Jane
> Yes I have the AUSLIG 1:250000 cd's.
> Very informative.I have the cd's as at 1989 but still very
> accurate-lots of
> small tracks to get to those out of the way places for fishing in the
> Pilbara.
> I think that they may have updated the cd's to August 2000
> A good buy..
>
> Regards
> Sean
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
> To: "Aussie-wx" <aussie-weather at world.std.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 4:08 AM
> Subject: aus-wx: Topographic maps on CD
>
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> > Has anyone sampled the 1:250,000 topographic maps covering the whole of
> > Australia on 2 CD's just released by AUSLIG?  Looking for feedback.....
> >
> > Thanks to everyone for doing the email shuffle with me for the last
> > couple of days <g>
> >
> > Jane
> >
> > PS: nice sunset shots Robert!!!!
> > Currently 8.9C at 100m, 6.4C at 500m
> >
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> > Jane ONeill - Melbourne
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Laurier,

The double CD set is $99.  Give me some names that you can't find
otherwise & I'll see if they are on the CD's for you.

From my first quick exploration (I bought them yesterday), the detail is
great & I was also told that they may bring the 1:100,000 maps out on CD
within 12 months.

Jane
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cadence at stormchasers.au.com

Melbourne Storm Chasers
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ASWA - Victoria
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> Yes, they have updated them to 31/8/2000. A couple of questions that I
can't
> find answers to on the AUSLIG site:
>
> How much are they?
>
> How good is the gazeteer index? If it covers all names on the standard
> 1:250,000 sheets, it would be a boon for finding those out-of-the-way
> rainfall stations!
>
> Laurier
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Very windy here overnight and this morning. Around 30 knots, with fairly
frequent bursts to 40 knots, perhaps the odd gust stronger.

Steadfastly staying SW therefore rainfall has been light.

I am just about to check the surf conditions, I expect the bigger stuff to
arrive tomorrow as the low is still too cramped in close to produce the huge
longer wave swell I expect, but seas should be out of control.

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<P>Hi everyone!</P>
<P>Just a quick note on the storm close to Coffs yesterday (Fri) afternoon.</P>
<P>I had just come home from school and looked out to the west (ie towards Dorrigo) and saw a very suspect looking cloud there. I couldn't identify it as a storm just yet but I thought i'd keep an eye on it. </P>
<P>Anyway, five min's later, there was a rumble of thunder! A quick look out to the west again, showing a relatively menacing wall of rain coming towards Coffs. Then took a look at the radar over the next 30 mins, showed the storm turning&nbsp;in a NE direction, and heading towards Woolgoolga (approx 20km North of Coffs). During this time, there was pink almost all the time, and&nbsp;in one frame, a spot of red. (that would explain the hail that Ian Isles got)</P>
<P>At my place, we only got 1.5 mm from it. I also talked to my father when he came home and he told me he was talking to a fellow (at a place halfway between Coffs and Woolgoolga) and he said it was absolutely pouring where he was!</P>
<P>But the storm was so featureless, that there was no point in taking photos!</P>
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Is this the Australia Unfolded 2 product or something else ?

regards, Michael



At 07:38 AM 28/7/2001 +1000, you wrote:
>Laurier,
>
>The double CD set is $99.  Give me some names that you can't find
>otherwise & I'll see if they are on the CD's for you.
>
> From my first quick exploration (I bought them yesterday), the detail is
>great & I was also told that they may bring the 1:100,000 maps out on CD
>within 12 months.




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Yeh we had 2 trees down odd gust WAY over 40 as i type the bloody chiomney
is howlinging away with the power lines i say LET IT BLOWWWWWWWWWW
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> Very windy here overnight and this morning. Around 30 knots, with fairly
> frequent bursts to 40 knots, perhaps the odd gust stronger.
>
> Steadfastly staying SW therefore rainfall has been light.
>
> I am just about to check the surf conditions, I expect the bigger stuff to
> arrive tomorrow as the low is still too cramped in close to produce the
huge
> longer wave swell I expect, but seas should be out of control.
>
> Michael Thompson
> http://ozthunder.com
>
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I would say we are in for a strong end to winter soon with highs being 
pushed further north and cold fronts also moving further north.  Although 
the front due in on Tuesday will weaken as it does moves through it may drop 
some rain.  However once the high moving in after moves through which it is 
expected to do quickly for a change I think some strong fronts with rain and 
lots of wind are due.  If this occurs most people here in Adelaide won't 
know what's hit them because we have really not had any typical winter 
weather yet.  Hope that by late next week or next weekend we will be in a 
more winter like scenario but I suppose with the way winter has gone so far 
I shouldn't get too excited.  By the way trees that would have lost their 
leaves over a month or two ago around here still have them which is a sign 
that winter has been pretty pathetic I wreckon.  One good thing though is 
that rainfall hasn't sufferend all that much although it has been patchy 
without good long periods of rain to fill the dams up.  So far we udner 
average this month but over average for the year so that isn't too bad.




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Hi all

Sorry for the offtopic post, but there was talk about Mars earlier on, and
there is a global sized dust storm engulfing Mars at the moment.  You can
see the basic details here at:

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap010727.html

I suppose Clyve or Andrew Wall would be able to check it out first hand
with their telescopes.


Cheers

--

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Monash University
Clayton, Vic 3800
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If 1 in 1 million will do you, you can get 8 layered vector or bit
mapped data for the whole of Aus, which, with appropriate software
skills, will allow the creation of any map of any spot in the country.
Go to http://www.iscgm.org/index.html and register for a download.

Regards,
PC.

Michael Bath wrote:
> 
> Is this the Australia Unfolded 2 product or something else ?
> 
> regards, Michael
> 
> At 07:38 AM 28/7/2001 +1000, you wrote:
> >Laurier,
> >
> >The double CD set is $99.  Give me some names that you can't find
> >otherwise & I'll see if they are on the CD's for you.
> >
> > From my first quick exploration (I bought them yesterday), the detail is
> >great & I was also told that they may bring the 1:100,000 maps out on CD
> >within 12 months.
> 
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I have observed in my North Katoomba (Blue Mountains NSW) backyard rain
guage that we have had around 39 mm of rain in the last couple of days.
Today Saturday there has not been any rain, or last night, since the
strong southerly winds have picked up here it seems.
You can observe the maximum & minimum temperatures & rainfall of
Katoomba on my home page at:
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Subject: aus-wx: Pictures of today's huge seas
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I went for a drive to Kiama blowhole this afternoon. I took some digital
pictures of the action.

http://ozthunder.com/temp/temp.htm

This morning the waves were 8-12ft and extremely messy. By this afternoon
waves had rising to 15-20ft.

I expect the waves to peak tomorrow as the low gets a bit more fetch, and
the winds go a little more S.

Had these strength winds occurred with SE winds beach erosion and even
possible property damage would have been the news.

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> Hi Robert.
> Mars has reached its closest approach to Earth(and the Sun)and is now
> receding, surface temps are high hence the dust storm  intersting to see
such a
> thin atmosphere (6 to 8 hpa) lift so much dust. The increase in dust
though
> raises the temp by up to 30c by absorbing additional solar radiation,the
> dust particles are microscopic individual identities and this coupled with
> the low gravity (0.38 of Earth) explains the ability of such a thin
> atmosphere to sustain the dust storm. Another interesting aspect of the
> Martian atmosphere is that it is near the saturation point of water, of
> course this is relative to the atmospheric pressure, the Earths atmosphere
> has a similar percentage of water vapour again relative to the density.
> Inrespect to my telescope observations the dust storms have now hidden any
surface features
> and the disc appears darker.regards Clyve H.
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2001 12:54 PM
> Subject: aus-wx: OFFTOPIC: Global dust storm on Mars
>
>
> >
> > Hi all
> >
> > Sorry for the offtopic post, but there was talk about Mars earlier on,
and
> > there is a global sized dust storm engulfing Mars at the moment.  You
can
> > see the basic details here at:
> >
> > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap010727.html
> >
> > I suppose Clyve or Andrew Wall would be able to check it out first hand
> > with their telescopes.
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > --
> >
> > Robert A. Goler
> >
> > Department of Mathematics and Statistics
> > Monash University
> > Clayton, Vic 3800
> > Australia
> >
> > ph. +61 3 9905 4424
> > email Robert.Goler at maths.monash.edu.au
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Hi cold pool lovers.
One of the largest cold pools I have seen this winter is playing about in
the Indian Ocean west of Perth at the moment and moving east southeast, it
will be interesting to see if the developing major low pressure system will
drag moisture down from the tropics (lots of it there) and onto the Western
Australian region. The sub tropical jet however seems rather weak to the
north this seems to be a bit unusual for such a large system. regards Clyve
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Last night's "Tornado Diary" on TV One was much better than the previous
week's episode, with lots of amazing storm/lightning shots.

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I agree John. An excellent documentary. I loved the core punching. Silver
lining tours got caught in some
nasty hail. I doubt they would be insured.
Regards
Steve Williams
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well it looks like that we might finally get our 
first real winter cold front here in Perth :):), warnings already issued  at  10 am 
WST for latter tonight and tomorrow. Severe T/S, Wind Warnings out read below, 
Sat pic looks ok to with a nice cold pool behind the front. One wonders if there 
will be any Winter " Coldies " with the passage of this front and thoughts on 
this&nbsp;?.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Snips from the warnings and forecasts are pasted 
below for those intrested,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>IDW12300<BR>BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY <BR>WESTERN AUSTRALIAN 
REGIONAL OFFICE<BR><BR>FORECAST FOR THE PERTH METROPOLITAN AREA<BR>Issued at 
11:30am WST on Sunday the 29th of July 2001 for the remainder of today<BR>and 
Monday&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR><BR>FORECAST:<BR>Severe Wind Warning and Severe 
Thunderstorm Advice issued for tonight. <BR>Showers increasing this evening, 
becoming heavy at times overnight, with the<BR>risk of thunderstorms. <BR>NW'ly 
winds becoming strong and squally this evening, shifting SW'ly 
tomorrow.<BR><BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; TODAY'S 
TEMPERATURE:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
Maximum: 21 <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; TOMORROW'S TEMPERATURES:&nbsp; Minimum: 
13&nbsp; Maximum: 16 <BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; TODAY'S UV 
INDEX:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3 [HIGH]&nbsp; <BR><BR>The overnight minimum was 
10.3 at 0026 hours<BR><BR>At 11.00 am Perth radar was detecting only very 
isolated showers well north of<BR>the city. <BR><BR>A shower or two is forecast 
at first, though showers should increase later today<BR>or this evening as a 
strong cold front approaches. NW winds will strengthen,<BR>becoming strong and 
squally tonight.<BR>The strong front should sweep through Perth during Sunday 
night and Monday<BR>morning. Expect rain and strong winds with the front. 
<BR>After the cold front during Monday expect showers, with local heavy falls 
and<BR>thunderstorms, in cold southerly winds. <BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>&nbsp;</DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&lt;snip from Costal Wind Warning and the Extended 
Wx Forecast&gt;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>EXTENDED PERIOD FORECAST FOR THE SOUTHWEST LAND 
DIVISION<BR>Issued at 12:30pm WST on Sunday the 29th of July 2001</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>A Severe Wind Warning and a Severe Thunderstorm Advice have been issued for 
the<BR>Lower West and South West Districts for Sunday night and into Monday. 
Strong<BR>Wind and Gale Warnings are current for coastal waters from Carnarvon 
to<BR>Israelite Bay for today and into Monday. Check latest advices for 
updates.<BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>STRONG WIND AND GALE WARNING<BR>for coastal waters between 
Carnarvon and Israelite Bay.<BR>Issued at 10:25 am WST on Sunday, 29 July 
2001</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Kalbarri to Bremer Bay: Strong Wind And Gale Warning current.<BR>N/NW winds 
increasing to 20/30 knots this afternoon, then 25/40 knots tonight. <BR>Squalls 
to 55 knots. Seas rising to 3.0m. Swell rising to 4.0m.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&lt;end snip&gt;</FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Severe Thunderstorm Warning, Severe Wind Warnings 
are pasted below for those intrested,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><PRE>IDW28200
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY 
WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE

PRIORITY
FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST

SEVERE THUNDERSTORM ADVICE
Issued at 10:00 am WST on Sunday, 29 July 2001

People in the Lower West and South West Districts are advised that there is a
risk of severe thunderstorms during tonight and Monday morning. 

Storms may be accompanied by hail, flash flooding and strong winds that could
result in damage to property.  

The State Emergency Service advises that people should keep a lookout for
thunderstorms and if storms approach secure loose items, move vehicles under
cover, then stay indoors until the storms have passed. Driving conditions may be
hazardous.

This Thunderstorm Advice will be updated at 3:00 pm.</PRE><PRE>IDW28100
BUREAU OF METEOROLOGY 
WESTERN AUSTRALIAN REGIONAL OFFICE

PRIORITY
FOR IMMEDIATE BROADCAST

SEVERE WIND WARNING
Issued at 10:00 am WST on Sunday, 29 July 2001

For the Lower West and South West Districts.

A strong front is expected to cross the lower west coast overnight, and is
expected to cause wind gusts to 100 kilometres per hour during tonight and
Monday morning.

The State Emergency Service advises that people should secure loose objects and
stay indoors when gales develop. Boat owners should ensure that small craft are
securely moored.

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Have a browse through and tell me what you think. I 
am only adding stuff to it when I&nbsp;have the time.</FONT></DIV>
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Hi Tim,<br><br>
Welcome back to the list and the Hunter - one of our favourite places to
chase. Might give you a call for a chat some time soon.<br><br>
Jimmy Deguara<br><br>
At 05:52 PM 29/07/01 +1000, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font face="arial" size=2>Gidday
all,</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>I got myself on the list a few weeks ago and I
thought I might just pop up and say hello. I haven't been on the list for
about 2 years. So for those of you who don't know me, my name is Tim
Grugeon, I am 21 and live in Maitland, NSW. I have been living in
Melbourne for the past 18 months or so and have just moved back to my
original home in the Hunter. Like the rest of you I am mad on the
weather. (o: </font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>I have been constructing my own website where I
am putting a lot of my own photos up. I am still doing work on it. The
URL is
<a href="http://hunterweather.port5.com">http://hunterweather.port5.com</a>
</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Have a browse through and tell me what you think. I am only adding stuff to it when I have the time.</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Bye for now,</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>-Tim</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>PS</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>The email address that I am using for the list is different to my main address. My other email address is <a href="mailto:timg at turboweb.net.au">timg at turboweb.net.au</a></font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>---------------------------------------------------------<br>
Tim Grugeon<br>
Maitland, NSW<br>
<a href="http://hunterweather.port5.com">http://hunterweather.port5.com</a><br>
---------------------------------------------------------</font><br>
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NSW Australia<br><br>
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Australian Severe Weather Home Page<br>
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GDAY TIM 

good to see you on line .
dont have mutch time myself to do the things that seem important but if you 
just keep an eye on this , you cant go wrong.

dennis cottle
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Subject: aus-wx: 100mm already  at  Bickley, Gusts to 81 Km/H and the Front isn't even near yet STA, Wind Warnings still current
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Current Ob's 0100 WST Monday Morning, Bickley has 
over 100 mm, Gusts to 81 Km/h have already been recorded. The Front and Cold 
pool look good on GMSC, though the front isn't due till day break around 7 am in 
the morning, by which time Perth AP could be over 100 mm also...</FONT></DIV>
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    <TD noWrap align=left>BICKLEY</TD>
    <TD noWrap align=middle>30 00:54</TD>
    <TD align=middle>14.9</TD>
    <TD align=middle>14.6</TD>
    <TD align=middle>98</TD>
    <TD align=middle>WNW</TD>
    <TD align=middle>28</TD>
    <TD align=middle>15</TD>
    <TD align=middle>46</TD>
    <TD align=middle>25</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>107.2</TD></TR>
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    <TD noWrap align=left>JANDAKOT AIRPORT </TD>
    <TD noWrap align=middle>30 00:59</TD>
    <TD align=middle>17.2</TD>
    <TD align=middle>16.2</TD>
    <TD align=middle>93</TD>
    <TD align=middle>NNW</TD>
    <TD align=middle>17</TD>
    <TD align=middle>9</TD>
    <TD align=middle>22</TD>
    <TD align=middle>12</TD>
    <TD align=middle>1010.8</TD>
    <TD align=middle>39.8</TD></TR>
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    <TD noWrap align=middle>30 01:00</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>NW</TD>
    <TD align=middle>20</TD>
    <TD align=middle>11</TD>
    <TD align=middle>28</TD>
    <TD align=middle>15</TD>
    <TD align=middle>1009.2</TD>
    <TD align=middle>0.0</TD></TR>
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    <TD noWrap align=middle>30 01:00</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>NW</TD>
    <TD align=middle>22</TD>
    <TD align=middle>12</TD>
    <TD align=middle>30</TD>
    <TD align=middle>16</TD>
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    <TD noWrap align=middle>30 01:00</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>NW</TD>
    <TD align=middle>35</TD>
    <TD align=middle>19</TD>
    <TD align=middle>44</TD>
    <TD align=middle>24</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD></TR>
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    <TD noWrap align=middle>30 00:59</TD>
    <TD align=middle>17.1</TD>
    <TD align=middle>16.4</TD>
    <TD align=middle>96</TD>
    <TD align=middle>NW</TD>
    <TD align=middle>20</TD>
    <TD align=middle>11</TD>
    <TD align=middle>26</TD>
    <TD align=middle>14</TD>
    <TD align=middle>1010.9</TD>
    <TD align=middle>87.0</TD></TR>
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    <TD noWrap align=middle>30 00:59</TD>
    <TD align=middle>16.8</TD>
    <TD align=middle>15.8</TD>
    <TD align=middle>94</TD>
    <TD align=middle>NNW</TD>
    <TD align=middle>18</TD>
    <TD align=middle>10</TD>
    <TD align=middle>22</TD>
    <TD align=middle>12</TD>
    <TD align=middle>1010.6</TD>
    <TD align=middle>68.6</TD></TR>
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    <TD align=middle>17.8</TD>
    <TD align=middle>15.4</TD>
    <TD align=middle>86</TD>
    <TD align=middle>NNW</TD>
    <TD align=middle>32</TD>
    <TD align=middle>17</TD>
    <TD align=middle>39</TD>
    <TD align=middle>21</TD>
    <TD align=middle>1009.3</TD>
    <TD align=middle>15.4</TD></TR>
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    <TD align=middle>16.7</TD>
    <TD align=middle>15.7</TD>
    <TD align=middle>94</TD>
    <TD align=middle>NW</TD>
    <TD align=middle>29</TD>
    <TD align=middle>15</TD>
    <TD align=middle>39</TD>
    <TD align=middle>21</TD>
    <TD align=middle>-</TD>
    <TD align=middle>52.8</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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From: David Jones <D.Jones at bom.gov.au>
To: "old AUSSIE WX (E-mail)" <aussie-weather-digest at world.std.com>
Subject: aus-wx: Heavy rain event unfolding in Perth.
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 09:10:27 +1000
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Subject says it all. The record breaking rain event is currently underway in
Perth (see http://www.bom.gov.au/hydro/flood/wa/) , with many stations near
or above 100mm since 9am with ~3 hours of rain to go. The cloud band is not
particularly impressive on the satellite pic - though it is very very long,
but notably the surface dewpoints are very high for winter upto 15C,
revealing a good flow of tropical air. 

The models suggest the associated cloud band will hold together until it
reaches the Tasman Sea, so even Victoria might get some rain.

Cheers,

David

                                                              
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From: "islesit" <islesit at tpg.com.au>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Thunderstorm and hail
Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2001 09:35:03 +1000
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http://www.visitcoffsharbour.com/maps/bigmap.html

Location of Perry Drive at west Coffs Harbour. Perry Drive is just under the
escarpment below where it says west Korora.

Best wishes

Ian Isles

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Perry Drive - 13 mm in 30 minutes at 4.20 pm. Where's Perry Drive AWs -
somewhere in western Coffs I think??
Cheers,
don W

David Sercombe wrote:

> Hi everyone!
>
> Just a quick note on the storm close to Coffs yesterday (Fri) afternoon.
>
> I had just come home from school and looked out to the west (ie towards
> Dorrigo) and saw a very suspect looking cloud there. I couldn't identify
> it as a storm just yet but I thought i'd keep an eye on it.
>
> Anyway, five min's later, there was a rumble of thunder! A quick look
> out to the west again, showing a relatively menacing wall of rain coming
> towards Coffs. Then took a look at the radar over the next 30 mins,
> showed the storm turning in a NE direction, and heading towards
> Woolgoolga (approx 20km North of Coffs). During this time, there was
> pink almost all the time, and in one frame, a spot of red. (that would
> explain the hail that Ian Isles got)
>
> At my place, we only got 1.5 mm from it. I also talked to my father when
> he came home and he told me he was talking to a fellow (at a place
> halfway between Coffs and Woolgoolga) and he said it was absolutely
> pouring where he was!
>
> But the storm was so featureless, that there was no point in taking
photos!
>
> Anyway, enough from me,
>
> David Sercombe,
>
> Coffs Harbour, NE NSW
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From: "clyve herbert" <mesof5 at iprimus.com.au>
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Hi David.
I have had my eye on the vast moisture area west of Indonesia for the past
week or so, its good to see an interacting mid lat system pulling down some
of this moisture for the thirsty WA people, this large area of tropical
activity off the west Indonesian coast seems to be well south for this time
of the year?, regards Clyve H.
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> Subject says it all. The record breaking rain event is currently underway
in
> Perth (see http://www.bom.gov.au/hydro/flood/wa/) , with many stations
near
> or above 100mm since 9am with ~3 hours of rain to go. The cloud band is
not
> particularly impressive on the satellite pic - though it is very very
long,
> but notably the surface dewpoints are very high for winter upto 15C,
> revealing a good flow of tropical air.
>
> The models suggest the associated cloud band will hold together until it
> reaches the Tasman Sea, so even Victoria might get some rain.
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
>
>
> Dr David Jones
>
> Climate Analysis Section
> National Climate Centre
> Bureau of Meteorology      Fax      : (+61 3) 9669 4678
> GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne   Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4861
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From: "Mark Dwyer" <mjd at iinet.net.au>
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Hi Clyve,

this is the lastest ob's for Bickley, Nice Rainfall figures there. On the
radio this morning i think i heard the BoM on 720 am ( ABC ) say that Perth
has had it's second wettest july day on record, with the AP having it's
wettest. The good news is the rain has made it through the wheatbelt 37mm  at 
Lakegrace.

      BICKLEY 30 09:00 13.7 13.6 99 W 24 13 35 19 - 136.8


MJ.
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Subject: Re: aus-wx: Heavy rain event unfolding in Perth.


> Hi David.
> I have had my eye on the vast moisture area west of Indonesia for the past
> week or so, its good to see an interacting mid lat system pulling down
some
> of this moisture for the thirsty WA people, this large area of tropical
> activity off the west Indonesian coast seems to be well south for this
time
> of the year?, regards Clyve H.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Jones <D.Jones at bom.gov.au>
> To: old AUSSIE WX (E-mail) <aussie-weather-digest at world.std.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2001 9:10 AM
> Subject: aus-wx: Heavy rain event unfolding in Perth.
>
>
> > Subject says it all. The record breaking rain event is currently
underway
> in
> > Perth (see http://www.bom.gov.au/hydro/flood/wa/) , with many stations
> near
> > or above 100mm since 9am with ~3 hours of rain to go. The cloud band is
> not
> > particularly impressive on the satellite pic - though it is very very
> long,
> > but notably the surface dewpoints are very high for winter upto 15C,
> > revealing a good flow of tropical air.
> >
> > The models suggest the associated cloud band will hold together until it
> > reaches the Tasman Sea, so even Victoria might get some rain.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> > Dr David Jones
> >
> > Climate Analysis Section
> > National Climate Centre
> > Bureau of Meteorology      Fax      : (+61 3) 9669 4678
> > GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne   Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4861
> > Victoria 3001, Australia   Ph (home): (+61 3) 9849 1646
> > email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au
> >
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Subject: aus-wx: Heavy rain and record warm night in Perth too?
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First to the rainfall totals in the 24 hours till 9am this morning around
the metro area:


Bickley 137mm
Gosnells 101mm
Jandakot Airport 59mm
Lancelin 62mm
Pearce 77mm
Perth City 89mm (2nd wettest July day on record)
Perth Airport 108mm (Wettest July day on record I believe)
Swanbourne 75mm

Quite a few of the other stations are probably July 24 hour records too.

The overnight minimum in Perth was 16.0C, the 24 hour minimum was 15C
(rounded), the July record is 16.1C.

While Perth Airport seems to have broken another record as the 24 hour
minimum was 16C (rounded) and it appears the warmest July night on record
there was 15.1C

If those figures are correct, it is not often you get a record rainfall
event and a record high temperature on the same night.

Jacob

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From: Blair Trewin <blair at atlas.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au>
Subject: aus-wx: Some nice radar images from the other side of the world...
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Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 15:25:37 +1000 (EST)
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There's a radar loop of some nice lines of storms going through
Finland yesterday - go to http://www.fmi.fi/weather/rain.html.

(I found out about this after hearing reports of the storms that
hit the World Orienteering Championships, currently taking
place in Tampere - if you want some idea of how heavy the rain
was, go to www.woc2001.fi and look at 'Picture of the Day' for
30/7).

I'm also trying to get some background on the Polish floods 
reported in the media today. The rainfall figures for major Polish
centres on www.weatheronline.co.uk (a terrific resource) are above
normal but nothing really extraordinary (Warsaw has had about
110mm in the last two weeks), but I haven't found any data yet
for the mountains on the Slovakian and Ukrainian borders, which
is where most of the upper catchments are.

Blair

(who would very much have liked to have been there, but the team
seems to be doing very nicely, thank you, without me) 
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From: "Greg Spencer" <hawk at iinet.net.au>
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Subject: RE: aus-wx: Heavy rain event unfolding in Perth.
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 17:42:43 +0800
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Hi All

Some of the rainfall figures were huge for Perth over Sunday night/Monday
morning, although its an unofficial figure, one of my mates had 156mm from
9am sunday too 9am monday and at the time he contacted me at about 11:30am
monday he'd already had a further 40mm ontop of that figure since 9am. I've
heard of many other reports of over 100mm in the metro area too.

Regards

Greg

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[mailto:aussie-weather-approval at world.std.com]On Behalf Of David Jones
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Subject says it all. The record breaking rain event is currently underway in
Perth (see http://www.bom.gov.au/hydro/flood/wa/) , with many stations near
or above 100mm since 9am with ~3 hours of rain to go. The cloud band is not
particularly impressive on the satellite pic - though it is very very long,
but notably the surface dewpoints are very high for winter upto 15C,
revealing a good flow of tropical air.

The models suggest the associated cloud band will hold together until it
reaches the Tasman Sea, so even Victoria might get some rain.

Cheers,

David


Dr David Jones

Climate Analysis Section
National Climate Centre
Bureau of Meteorology      Fax      : (+61 3) 9669 4678
GPO Box 1289K, Melbourne   Ph (work): (+61 3) 9669 4861
Victoria 3001, Australia   Ph (home): (+61 3) 9849 1646
email : D.Jones at bom.gov.au

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Subject: aus-wx: moon on webcam
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hi all,
just muckin around tonight with my camera. thought this might interest some
ppl if bored. you can watch the moon cross the sky live!! WHHHEEEEEEE!!!!!
anyway, go here http://www.bsch.au.com/steve/webcam.html



Steve Baynham
http://www.angelfire.com/ok/gany

Australian Severe Weather Association
http://www.severeweather.asn.au

Brisbane Storm Chasers
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From: "Jane ONeill" <cadence at stormchasers.au.com>
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Subject: aus-wx: Pre frontal northerly
Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 22:37:02 +1000
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Evening all,


Did anyone spend a lot of their day watching the sky today?   .......
virga & waves galore.........a beautiful sight!!

Currently interesting temperatures in July in Melbourne in the
prefrontal northerlies:

11.1C on Mt Dandenong at 500m
14.8C here (100m) on the southern side of the house out of the wind
17.8C on the western side of the house directly in the wind flow
16.4C in the centre of the backyard, and
I haven't checked the thermometer down near the garage............yet!

Dewpoint is currently 4.6C - with pressure down to 1007hPa.  Lowest
pressure in Tasmania is 998.6 but they are falling & rising very quickly
as the front passes through.

Judging by the pressures in the south of the state, the southern portion
of the front appears to be accelerating as it is becoming more
longitudinal & there's a kink in the western edge of the cloudband just
west of Tasmania.  hmmmm.......

Jane

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Melbourne Storm Chasers
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ASWA - Victoria
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